enthropic wrote:We must start to learn how to ignore. We are only feeding power to the Ignorant. Our aggravation, annoyance, and anger are what these people want. Quit responding And posting to them. Boredom will soon set in they will grow weak and start to slowly crawl away. We can sit back and laugh at the old posts, sbm.org website, the foolishness of a few people that will not be taken seriously by anybody. The people of the Black Rock Desert Love us, I know this... some depend on us.
Like the ranter at the port o let
"If it's shit put it in the toilet, if it's trash take it home, I want to be here if you don't Don't bring your shity trash to our playa".
Tancorix wrote:Enough. Even the best argument doesn't justify cross posting to so many different threads. I sent the admins a request to consolidate the threads into one place, preferably located in General Discussion. We'll see if that can be done.
As for the FOIA documents, instead of posting that you have them, how about getting them on the website so they can support your arguments? I want to see what you are talking about. Back up your claims. Or since I'm from Missouri, SHOW ME.
que.f.o. wrote:So you and your cohorts, puppets, friends, or whatever have made your point a couple of dozen times now. We, as Burners, aren't environmentally perfect and neither is the LLC. We will all try to do better. So how about just going away now. Your self-rightousnous makes me want to puke.
Let's drive a wedge between the environmentalists and the progressive community!
Isotopia wrote:Let's drive a wedge between the environmentalists and the progressive community!
It's not so much about driving a wedge between anything. It's more about challenging those who'd throw stones disguised as fact, proof and record. None of which has been even remotely presented with any credibility as far as I can tell.
Even more infuriating is the smug, self-righteous way that our band of newly out of the woodwork 'activists' so readily, so flippantly suggest how things might be done differently/better or not at all. Yet, in all their yammerings I've yet to read anything that even remotely suggests that they've ever volunteered to be part of the effort for which they so adamantly seemed to be opposed. I mean, have any of them ever...
1) volunteered to stay post-event to contribute to the cleanup?
why would we? we didn't go the event.
its BMORG resonsiblity and agreement with BLM that they willlean up their mess. Plus we live 200-300 miles away and have jobs.
1a) dragged their asses up the the playa 3, 4, 5 weekends in a row to walk the line picking up MOOP?
Well we have been partof BLM wlaks to check on event cleanup.
2) volunteered during the event (Earth Guardians in particular)?
Umm we dont attend the evnt so we can't jsut go in can we?
2) gotten involved with any public comment involving the Project and the BLM during ANY of the very public input process such as the ones they've had in Sacramento, Reno, Sparks, Gerlach over the past several years?
yes!! many times
in fact we were one of only 3 public comments on the BLM public commentperiod in June.
3) suggested using public comment, town hall meetings, private e-mail, etc. participation or otherwise voiced their concerns other than slapping up a lame web site as a platform to hurl their misinformation?
see above. and a big yes!!
4) provided alternative remedies to the problems they believe exist?
see the website
Why is it that more often than not that the people who'd criticize so vociferously often seem to be the same ones who, at the end of the day, never seem to put their monies where their mouths are or, more impotantly, walk the fucking walk.
Isotopia wrote:2) gotten involved with any public comment involving the Project and the BLM during ANY of the very public input process such as the ones they've had in Sacramento, Reno, Sparks, Gerlach over the past several years?
allanon2 wrote:i have thousands of pages...one day I suspect a land sailor will get seriosuly hurt or killed becuase of them.