BigCock wrote:Ack. It misses the point. Whatever the upside of this pavillion experiment, it has introduced a commercial element.
Larry wrote:The truth is that the Project, as a corporation, spends millions of dollars to create Black Rock City, and our participants spend many millions more in a capitalist marketplace in order to inhabit this city.
Well, I've talked to cops out there, some firemen, Johnny-On-The-Spot guys, etc. Even though they're getting paid, in the vast majority of cases it seems they're out there because they want to be out there. What's your point? That they won't be really into to it?Big Cock wrote:Imagine talking to someone who's paid to be there.
Art doesn't educate or take on ethical questions? C'mon!Big Cock wrote:And WHY an education purpose. Why an ethical position? Wasn't art enough?
Heavy handed? Please. Nobody's forcing you to go to the pavillion (unlike say, the Eplaya Meet & Greet!). You'll make your own experience just like always. Speaking of which, I'll see ya's at the Meet and Greet, BC! BTW - I'm predicting '07 will be the most vibrant and interesting year since I started going in '00.Big Cock wrote:It was heavy handed of the org to do this experiment.
Sensei wrote:Well, I've talked to cops out there, some firemen, Johnny-On-The-Spot guys, etc. Even though they're getting paid, in the vast majority of cases it seems they're out there because they want to be out there. What's your point? That they won't be really into to it?
"Marketing" behavior is not why these folks are welcome this year and in those regards they are expected to comport themselves in the same manner as any other burner.
In the end, the pavilion project will host only two businesses that can be said to represent capital in a significant way. The first involves the installation of a very large (and beautiful) solar array that will power both the Man and the pavilion. After the conclusion of the event, we intend to install portions of it, at our expense, in the small Nevada towns of Gerlach and Lovelock. It will provide power to a public school and hospital, respectively.
The company thatâ€™s doing this brokers solar power deals, mostly for large institutions. They make their money from clean energy tax rebates that are offered by the government. Neither we, nor our participants, can be said to represent their target demographic. They are accustomed to much larger operations. What, then, is their motive? They were simply tickled by the notion that, over time, the tiny town of Gerlach could become the first municipality in America that employs solar power to produce more energy than it consumes. Iâ€™ve no problem if our partners in this project want to claim the bragging rights for eventually doing this. Last year, we distributed $91,000 in charitable contributions to local communities in Nevada. For us, this is simply a continuation of that practice.
The second large-scale pavilion project involves an array of wind turbines that will be installed along the Y3K light circle that surrounds the Man. In this case, we were able to go around the marketing departments of various companies and approach the scientists themselves. Scratch a scientist, Iâ€™ve often said, and you will find an artist. These folks felt that exhibiting their beautifully engineered handiwork would be â€˜coolâ€™. Theyâ€™ve been motivated by a kind of passion â€“ radical self-expression, if you will.
So it's not their behavior, it is the intent of the people who are being invited.
BigCock wrote:marketing people hawking their wares and spinning the experience into product promotions
Teo del Fuego wrote:It is possible that the feared hucksterism will NOT occur. I personally don't like the idea of a theme that "educates," I think art for art's sake is education enough, but I no longer see anyhting intrinsically evil in The Pavillion--particularly after Larry's post here.
Unlike commercial branding, real identity can only issue from within. Its agency is deeply personal participation in a culture, not psychological manipulation.
We are working with Google to create a three-dimensional model of Black Rock City, as it actually exists from year to year. Participants will be invited to map themselves, their artworks and their camps into this digital environment, just as they create things on the playa. What is the point? This is what I asked when I was first approached with this idea. Is this some sort of hermetic game environment, a passive and masturbatory entertainment, and a substitute for immediate experience? Far from it. People who enter into this digital realm we are able to travel -- eventually, itâ€™s hoped -- down every street of Black Rock City. Theyâ€™ll also be enabled to make contact with every participant who chooses to become a settler in this on-screen
In other words, one neednâ€™t just ogle on Google. This is not intended to be a spectator environment. It will be possible to see behind the scenes, to knock on the door (or scratch at the tent flap) of anyone who has elected to participate. Itâ€™s never possible to experience all of Black Rock City. It really isnâ€™t feasible to see even 5% of
Is this some sort of hermetic game environment, a passive and masturbatory entertainment, and a substitute for immediate experience? Far from it.
Compare what's proposed with what Second Life is about: http://secondlife.com/whatis/
Bob wrote:I can see why Black Rock City LLC might want to look like they're do-gooders, but are you comfortable with them making you look like you're a particular kind of do-gooder? I don't want them speaking for me, other than to the BLM & Washoe County about the event permitting. They can barely clean up after Burning Man, for fuck's sake.
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