I know I was the first to trash him; for what it's worth if it has been phrased more as "I just heard that El Circo won't be coming and I feel that I'll be missing one of my favorite things onplaya" I would have been welcoming. That "I message" thing.trilobyte wrote: Lorin hopped on a soapbox in his tribe, and viewed his personal opinions on the matter, which subsequently led to a lot of discussions in other tribes (as well as e-playa). I consider Lorin a friend and I do completely understand his position and his frustration. He wasn't so much planning to attack anyone or anything, so much as expressing how he felt about a place he knows and loves not being able to pull it off.
trilobyte wrote:I won't ramble on about that aspect of it, anyone who's interested can check the debate thread in the Bassnectar tribe easily enough to see what people have to say. If you do check it out, I highly encourage you to read the post that Matty Dowlen of El Circo wrote.
trilobyte wrote:I think to just write off El Circo as a "sound camp" or throw snickety rave and drug jokes in there is both juvenile and short-sighted.
It's not just a dome and some speakers, folks. And it's not just oontz oontz oontz of DJ's playing techno. Last year I heard everything ranging from ambient/downtempo to funky breaks to asian underground to live musicians and back again. I heard just about everything in there - it was one of the most musically diverse places on the playa.
The dome is huge, and requires a crane for setup/teardown (no idea what the rental is on that). The lighting and rigging inside is elaborate, as well. Aside from the costs of buying it (which is what they've done over the years, I believe), the cost of replacing lamps and gels alone after a trip to the playa has got to be pretty high. The sound system, like the lights, is bought and paid for but there's a cost to replacing parts and cables that get worn through the course of the week. Talking to one of the organizers last year, I know that the cost of the generator rental was around $5K. There's also the cost of hauling all that stuff to and from the playa (not just speakers and lights and the steel frame and canvas of the dome, but the stages and other support structures for the camp itself).
Inside that dome were some of the most amazing performances I've ever seen. The fire/fashion show in 2004, the vaudeville-ian burlesque in 2005, and even the Sunday morning puppet show. Forget about all the time and energy involved (we all put our time and energy into things we do on the playa), the cost of raw materials alone has got to be enormous.
If you never actually took the time to explore the El Circo dome and really only think of it as a sound camp, my condolences.
I'm not going to get into the issue of BRC grants or any of that because I don't really know any of the details on either side of that argument (other than good people are involved on both sides). But I think writing El Circo off as just a sound camp or implying that they spend all their money on drugs is just plain wrong.
geekster wrote:We had some 15 bluegrass musicians at our camp on Saturday at noon. It not only filled our main tent but people spilled out in front and all were packed around all the way out to the street. Probably close to 200 people at the peak. There is appreciation out there for good acoustic music and our little non-event event showed us that. We will be having another next year, probably the same time, Noon Saturday at Iron Rose. We might even have one earlier in the week too. There's more to "sound" than decibels. Hearing all these people singing along with "Rollin' in my sweet baby's arms" was just fucking awesome.
I would encourage other camps to set aside dates and times and post an invitation in the WWW inviting musicians of your favorite genre of music to come over and jam. It could be jazz, rockabilly, swing, country, folk, whatever. Our experiance is that if you build it, they will come. One thing we did learn, however, was the Sunday isn't a good day. Only one musician showed up for Blues day ... probably because everone was tearing down and packing up. Besides, everyone knows that Monday morning is the best time for the blues.
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