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Is this California or a banana republic?

Postby aforceforgood » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:07 pm

What with the ruling hunta using the courts to slap down any challenges to it's power, I can't help feeling like I'm watching the U.S. slowly be converted into a corrupted version of the incredible nation we should be.

Apparently democracy is ok as long as things are running smoothly- i.e., the people aren't given any real choices in candidates, only from either of the two all-too-entrenched ruling parties. Heaven forfend the people should actually expect good or even competent performance from an elected official and try to enforce accountability.

Wake up people, neither party really cares about you, and it will only become more difficult to correct the longer we wait to take an active hand in fixing what's wrong with politics as we know them today.

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Postby Badger » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:26 pm

Wake up people, neither party really cares about you, and it will only become more difficult to correct the longer we wait to take an active hand in fixing what's wrong with politics as we know them today.


I think I had my fill or boring, non-nourishing, political discourse both on ePlaya and on the playa this year. Ultimately it boils down to a very reduced, very distilled version of mental jack-off. Towards the end of the old ePlaya it got excruciatingly so. More often with your popmpous and often condescending prompting Force. I'm really 1) hoping that most people don't take your hook or 2) the Boardmeisters will come up with a way that allows some of us to totally bypass folders we consider not of interest or just packed with verbal poo-pee.
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Postby aforceforgood » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:31 pm

I always value input, so I'd appreciate it if you'd cite how I was being condescending or pompous, because obviously I'm not trying to be, so if I came across that way, I'd like to change that.

Or are you referring to when I pointed out that you were acting like the political correctedness police for condemning me for raising an issue that had to do with a certain ethnic group?
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Postby III » Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:33 pm

>2) the Boardmeisters will come up with a way that allows some of us to totally bypass folders we consider not of interest or just packed with verbal poo-pee.

likewise. not because of force, but just in general, i don't like political hesaidshesaiding getting in the way of more fruitful discussions.
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Re: Is this California or a banana republic?

Postby Last Real Burner » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:45 am

are you quoting Ms Huffington from last nights debate where she said that Cali Politics are getting to be more and more like those in some 3rd world countries.

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Postby Last Real Burner » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:49 am

Vote for Tom Mclintock he's the best, and most qualified person for the job.

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Postby nymphgonebad » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:24 am

i'm politically savvy enough to wait to see where my vote won't be wasted, but i would still dearly love to see larry flynt kick everyone's ass in a landslide victory.

what with the postponement, i don't think arnold has a chance. the media will slowly pick him apart piece by piece. i don't have anything personal against the man - i just think the only thing he's qualified for is looking good in leather pants and sunglasses.

.. not that there's anything wrong with that - some of my best friend's wish they could pull it off. i just don't want him to be govenor.

so, what does everyone think is going to happen now? i'd be interested to hear from others..

as to the question of califronia being a banana republic, well, our biggest cash crop is marijuana. does that qualify us?
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Is this a two-part question?

Postby Peace_Tolero » Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:51 pm

Is this California or a banana republic?

This a Two Part Question

1. No, I'm in Florida

2. Yes, Miami IS a Banana Republic. Here's our flag!

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Postby Tiara » Thu Sep 18, 2003 3:28 pm

I wavered back and forth about posting on this at all, thinking that perhaps the thread would just die a natural death from disinterest. But I see that isn't to be the case, so here's what I've got to say. . .

I am interested in (polite) discussion about political views in general. I think that the diversity of opinions held by Burners is astounding, and the respect that they generally afford each other's views is gratifying. I love the enthusiasm expressed when someone shares their vision of how to make the world a better place for all involved.

But I'm not the least bit interested in discussing specific political situations here for a number of reasons. . . if I want news or political analysis, there are many more factual and logical news sources than the eplaya available on the internet. . . it is not my belief that endless online debates will change a staunchly clutched opinion. . . and in general, a purposefully inflammatory thread title like this one, just leaves me cold.

Now I'm off to flit around the threads that I find more enlightening and entertaining.
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Postby Iago » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:09 pm

"Heaven forfend the people"
Would someone please tell me what the Fuck does FORFEND mean?
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Postby TestesInSac » Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:58 pm

Iago wrote:"Heaven forfend the people"
Would someone please tell me what the Fuck does FORFEND mean?
I'm an old dude (58 and don't have to 'get it' anymore), still trying to keep up with the times and still think after going to BurninMan for 6 years is a great camping trip out in the desert...


It (forfend) means to prohibit or forbid. Google on a word and you'll likely encounter a definition for it.
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Postby Ivy » Thu Sep 18, 2003 10:01 pm

Google on a word and you'll likely encounter a definition for it.


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Postby diane o'thirst » Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:05 am

I'm in Oregon so I have the luxury of sitting back and watching the whole folderol with a little sparkle of laughter...

But, I <i>did</i> come from California and one of the things that made leaving a palatable option was the fact that any group of persons with enough money and a savvy enough lawyer can go through the courts and pretty much send The Peoples' Will straight down the tubes. I thought, "Within ten years, this state will be unliveable" and bailed.

So I agree with Force in that it's a scary trend that the ultimate power in California isn't the People, but the courts. Lawyer as states(wo)man! Think about it and try to keep your hair from turning white...
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Postby TestesInSac » Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:43 am

Oregon. Hmmm. Isn't that the state where you can't pump your own gas 'cause it might put an out-of-work lumber guy out of work?
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Postby diane o'thirst » Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:07 pm

TestesInSac wrote:Oregon. Hmmm. Isn't that the state where you can't pump your own gas 'cause it might put an out-of-work lumber guy out of work?


I like to think of it as the state with lower gas prices where you don't have to get out and pump, someone does it for you. More value for less money. The side-benefit is we still have <i>service</i> stations, instead of gas stops whose operating companies grossly overcharge simply because they know they can get it. :P
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Postby Kinetic » Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:47 pm

After paying $2.35 for basic unleaded in Sacto, I don't know if I wanna go back to Cali...I couldn't help but feel that I got screwed on gas prices out there, especially when it's $1.47 here in Kansas City.

That is one advantage to living here! Gas is a whole lot cheaper, and we don't have those smog inspections. Don't need em.
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Postby Spokes » Sun Sep 21, 2003 7:58 pm

<snicker>
$1.35 a block from my house
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Welcome to California, now bend over

Postby aforceforgood » Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:48 pm

Apparently all those refineries we have make gas more expensive for some wacky reason. Either that or we're just getting ripped off. Which seems to be the state of affairs here, that if you want to live here and enjoy the good weather, you must suffer at the hands of those who hold the reins of power, whether they be big petroleum or big brother.

Here, try this; http://www.gasbuddy.com/
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Re: Welcome to California, now bend over

Postby diane o'thirst » Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:45 pm

aforceforgood wrote:Apparently all those refineries we have make gas more expensive for some wacky reason. Either that or we're just getting ripped off. Which seems to be the state of affairs here, that if you want to live here and enjoy the good weather, you must suffer at the hands of those who hold the reins of power, whether they be big petroleum or big brother.


It's big petroleum, and specifically the refineries in the Bay Area. One year I heard a news report where they were investigating the latest wave of high prices (for the area, and <i>in</i> the area) and interviewed an upper-level manager for the report. He stated that the prices in the Bay Area and California in general are higher than elsewhere because "the money's out there and people will pay it." This was shortly before the Dot-Com rush...

BTW, high octane unleaded here is hovering around $2 a gallon...and an attendant greets you with a smile, pumps it for you, checks your tires and oil if you ask, washes your windows and usually chats with you while
s/he's doing it. Like I said — we still have <i>service</i> stations :)
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Re: Welcome to California, now bend over

Postby Last Real Burner » Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:23 am

diane o'thirst wrote:BTW, high octane unleaded here is hovering around $2 a gallon...and an attendant greets you with a smile, pumps it for you, checks your tires and oil if you ask, washes your windows and usually chats with you while s/he's doing it. Like I said — we still have <i>service</i> stations :)


Well sheet, high actane unleaded here is hovering around $2.75 a gallon... and I hear there's a gas station down on Santa Monica Blvd. where an attendant greets you with a smile, puts his hand in your pants, checks your butt and balls, and if you ask, washes your privates and gives you a blowjob, they also usually chats with you while he/shehe's doing it. Like you said there are still service stations.

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Postby Bob » Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:14 pm

You want cheap gas?

Try the DPW coffee.
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Postby aforceforgood » Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:04 pm

Anybody catch the 9th circuit court of appeals judges verbally slapping around the ACLU lawyer today for bringing such a frivolous case? I heard some of it over the radio- priceless. Looks like the less biased judges are going to make short work of reversing the 3-judge panel's decision to halt this election...

It would restore some of my former respect for the ACLU as an independent apolitical group if they didn't appeal this to the superior court, but if they had that kind of integrity, they would never have filed such a stupid case to begin with, so I guess we can expect that as the next act in this drama.
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Postby Bob » Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:11 pm

VOTE, n. The instrument and symbol of a freeman's power to make a
fool of himself and a wreck of his country.

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Postby aforceforgood » Tue Sep 23, 2003 2:48 am

Badger wrote:I think I had my fill or boring, non-nourishing, political discourse both on ePlaya and on the playa this year. Ultimately it boils down to a very reduced, very distilled version of mental jack-off.


intelligent discourse between people is now mental jack-off according to the great sage badger? Whatever man, I can't help thinking you're still bitter because I called you on being fascistically politically correct in your demand that I not talk about a real issue that involved race. Sigh. Apparently you've decided I'm your adversary?

in general, i don't like political hesaidshesaiding getting in the way of more fruitful discussions.


I continue with this unpopular (to some, there have been some 200 viewings) thread, because maybe I'm imparting some information to someone who wouldn't otherwise hear it, like about how Bustamante is a member of a racist group because the liberal media won't cover it. And anything that can't be soundbited in 30 seconds or less on television might as well not exist. There is a tyranny of the uninformed majority out there, and I feel the only way to counter it is to pass along this information in the hopes that it will be shared with friends, family, etc. And what's your definition of "more fruitful discussions" anyway? Seems to me this is an absolutely critical discussion for Californians.

But I'm not the least bit interested in discussing specific political situations here for a number of reasons. . . if I want news or political analysis, there are many more factual and logical news sources than the eplaya available on the internet. . .


And do these sources allow people to discuss these issues? Or are they "news" sources, where we are relegated to the status of spectator while being fed someone else's opinion?

it is not my belief that endless online debates will change a staunchly clutched opinion. . . and in general, a purposefully inflammatory thread title like this one, just leaves me cold.


One man's inflammatory is another man's interesting. And I feel it's accurate, in that to my knowledge a court has never stopped an election in America before, and it's worth getting upset over and pointing out that this is the kind of thing we EXPECT to see from some 3rd world dictatorship, but not here.

And finally, there are plenty of threads, and you have full control over which ones you read. You don't have to see it if you don't want to. You don't have to click on it. So what is your true purpose in posting these snide comments that this thread is so _____? To make yourself feel superior? Like the person who watches porn (under the guise of research of course) and then criticizes it and those who partake of it?
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Shit, Shit, Shit...

Postby Last Real Burner » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:00 am

I am going to write in "aforceforgood" as governer of our fine state.

political satire ended.

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Re: Shit, Shit, Shit...

Postby Last Real Burner » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:05 am

irresponsiblely:verb - the propensity to make up words or misspel them on a whim. 2. noun - to shit.

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Postby TestesInSac » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:19 pm

Ok, if there's a thread to dump a long post into, maybe this one's it.

On the old ePlaya <pining> I posted a proposal to sort the CA legislature by how radical they are WRT CA policies and politics in general. The most radical 30 members would be replaced by a moderate from the opposite party. (Details negotiable and/or supplied on request.) So, a Rush Limbaugh would be replace by someone like Bill Clinton, while a Nancy Pelosi would be replaced by a Richard Riordan. I'm gonna call this a <b>"reversical"</b>, like a musical, but in reverse.

Now, it think it's clear that reversicals would have a moderating/centering influence on politics and could break up a lot of calcified vested interests. But the beauty of it is more in who gets pissed off. To wit:

10. It would piss off both parties because their district gerrymandering would become irrelevant.
9. It would piss off radicals because they’d be less relevant.
8. It would piss off term limits proponents ‘cause it also dumps incumbents.
7. It would piss off pollsters because they wouldn’t be able to poll the reversical.
6. It would piss off insider contractors who wouldn’t get the contract after all.
5. It would piss off large campaign donors who wouldn’t get who they thought they were buying.
4. It would piss off advertisers because the large campaign donations, hence ad money, would stop.
3. It would piss off incumbents (surprise!) because they could no longer just cowtow to the dominant political group in their district.
2. It would piss off psychologists, "‘cause dammit, reverse psych is supposed to be <u>our</u> game".
1. It would piss off voters, ‘cause now they have to think harder, like, how radical is my choice, how well will s/he fare in the reversicall, etc.

I think that covers just about everyone.
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Postby DE FACTO » Sat Feb 07, 2004 3:45 pm

Just re-reading a force thread IMHO worth bringing back to the top.

(funny looking back on it.)
even though...........
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