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Postby blakeoleus » Tue Apr 05, 2005 5:43 pm

Hey, this is going to be my first time going to burning man. Myself and three of my other friends are all DJs, and spin conciousness expanding electronica (house, drum & bass, psytrance...etc). Our plans are to get a projector and synchronize our music with breathtaking visuals that will take anybody experiencing it to the next level of awareness.

I was wondering what the best course of action would be to go about doing this. The current equipment we own is: technics turntables, djm-600 mixer, laptop with finalscratch2 mixing software, and of course vinyl. Will there be power hookups? I am assuming we will have to rent a projector and a sound system, perhaps even a generator.

Also, where would be the best place to set up? Inside a theme camp or are there other places to set up? We will be going there with 6-8 people in total I assume.

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Postby zorro sings » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:17 pm

Everything you mentioned bringing to this years Project reminds me of Jessie Jackson on an ancient SNL,"The Point is Moot".Without a generator you will be helpless.I suppose a sound system would be next in line.In other words you are in trouble at the moment with your plans.Good luck though.
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Postby sputnik » Tue Apr 05, 2005 7:28 pm

Make your own camp. No need to join another camp. Find a spot. Cordon off the space you'll need and setup. You won't be able to do this in theme camp areas, but all other spaces are open. Be wary though. Last year the Kostume Kult had their entire sound system ripped off one night. Lock it up when you're not around.
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Postby Sandwichman » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:22 pm

A few good links to get you started.

http://www.burningman.com/first_timers
http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_installations/

All your questions should be answered in there. If you have never set up an outdoor sound stage I would not reccommend Burning Man being your first venture. The weather alone will wreak havoc on your gear. I would highly reccommend picking up a cheap mixer for use on the playa. Pioneers have enough digital equipment inside and can be quite fickle when introduced to dust or other elements. The dust on the playa will invade every nook and cranny of your gear. If you do not want to worry about gear I would then reccommend getting on your regional mailing lists and hookup with any sound camps that fit your beliefs. Most stages will not host djs unless they are somehow contributing to the camp. So hopefully those are some thoughts for you. Also next time before posting I would reccommend doing a forum search. This topic has been brought up many times and there is a lot of useful information already out there.

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Postby the_iconoclast » Tue Apr 05, 2005 8:52 pm

I am purchasing a specific set of gear for BM... basic Numark CD 25 and a cheapo mixer for the reasons stated above. Think expendable... my set-up will run me under $400... very disposable..
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Postby headquarters » Wed Apr 06, 2005 1:02 pm

zorro sings wrote:Everything you mentioned bringing to this years Project reminds me of Jessie Jackson on an ancient SNL,"The Point is Moot".Without a generator you will be helpless.I suppose a sound system would be next in line.In other words you are in trouble at the moment with your plans.Good luck though.


i was pretty young when that snl skit was on. i do remmeber laughing harder then i've ever laughed before. that was awesome. i didn't remember that it was jesse jackson.
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Postby blakeoleus » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:27 am

[quote="Sandwichman"]A few good links to get you started.

http://www.burningman.com/first_timers
http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_installations/

All your questions should be answered in there. If you have never set up an outdoor sound stage I would not reccommend Burning Man being your first venture. The weather alone will wreak havoc on your gear. I would highly reccommend picking up a cheap mixer for use on the playa. Pioneers have enough digital equipment inside and can be quite fickle when introduced to dust or other elements. The dust on the playa will invade every nook and cranny of your gear. If you do not want to worry about gear I would then reccommend getting on your regional mailing lists and hookup with any sound camps that fit your beliefs. Most stages will not host djs unless they are somehow contributing to the camp. So hopefully those are some thoughts for you. Also next time before posting I would reccommend doing a forum search. This topic has been brought up many times and there is a lot of useful information already out there.

Jason[/quote]
Thanks for the responds everybody.

I have heard that it can get quite windy on the playa. I'm from Southern California so I'm pampered when it comes to weather =)

I looked through the forum and didn't find much, always do that before I post. What I was thinking of doing was renting a U-haul and setting up our equipment inside it, when we want to spin we just pop open the back of the uhaul and spin out of it, does that sound like a viable idea? That would also be protection from the wind and dust. There are going to be 4 of us spinning, but when none of us want to spin then we could lock up our stuff and explore the rest of what burning man has to offer. I figured we were going to have to rent a sound system and generator and a projector at the minimum.

So I'll have to seriously keep thefts in mind? Would it be fairly safe to keep equipment locked up in a vehicle or would there still be a high risk of theft doing that?

I had also thought about joining another theme camp but I am having trouble finding them, I have only found one or two and they were completely unrelated to anything musically oriented.

Sorry for my newbness but just trying to get this planned right =)

I appreciate all your help guys,

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Postby Chai Guy » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:43 am

Couple of things:

1. If it's your first time, I highly suggest emailing some other large scale sound art camps and seeing if they are interested in having you spin. Send them a demo and find a couple of camps to perform in. This will give you an opportunity to share your art without the major hassles of doing your own camp. What you are talking about is a monumental undertaking that you will only be able to understand once you get out there. If you want you can even ask about helping to set up and take down the camp, I'm sure there are experienced camps that could really use your help, and in the process you can learn all you need to know for the following year.

2. If you really want to do this understand that you have to register as large scale sound art camp (anything over 300 watts of sound) and be placed in the appropriate area, read here:
http://www.burningman.com/on_the_playa/ ... olicy.html
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Postby Chai Guy » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:47 am

I had also thought about joining another theme camp but I am having trouble finding them, I have only found one or two and they were completely unrelated to anything musically oriented.


go here to look at all the theme camps for 2004:
http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_in ... ill_1.html

You will have to read the descriptions to find the camps that play your kind of music, and some of these camps will not be back next year. You can also wait until the 2005 list is published and do the same thing.

Look for: Cat's Cradle, Lush, Space Lounge, Space Virgins, to name a few dance camps (that I remember)
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Postby Sandwichman » Fri Apr 08, 2005 9:51 am

The U-Haul could be cool if decorated and unrecognizable as a corporate logo. As for the dust...plain and simple it gets everywhere no matter how hard you try to avoid it, you will cleaning dust off of personal items for months after leaving the playa. If you spin CDs I would just pick up two cheapy CD decks and bring those. Your records will then be able to be safe at home and any CD's you bring make copies. People have mentioned theft before on the playa so a good system to lock your gear would be smart. So if you are doing your own camp have you thought anything of the theme this year and how you will contribute to it in a non-music way? Just a thought. Also if you bring a sound system out that is over I think 300 watts you need to register as a sound camp. So please consider that. My final suggestion is to make sure you are set for camping before thinking about a soundsystem. In the long run you will be miserable if you have no shade area and if you do not stake down tents and shade you will be chasing those items like a little boy after a kite. The wind really is no joke. Ask around.

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Postby blakeoleus » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:28 am

[quote="Sandwichman"]The U-Haul could be cool if decorated and unrecognizable as a corporate logo. As for the dust...plain and simple it gets everywhere no matter how hard you try to avoid it, you will cleaning dust off of personal items for months after leaving the playa. If you spin CDs I would just pick up two cheapy CD decks and bring those. Your records will then be able to be safe at home and any CD's you bring make copies. People have mentioned theft before on the playa so a good system to lock your gear would be smart. So if you are doing your own camp have you thought anything of the theme this year and how you will contribute to it in a non-music way? Just a thought. Also if you bring a sound system out that is over I think 300 watts you need to register as a sound camp. So please consider that. My final suggestion is to make sure you are set for camping before thinking about a soundsystem. In the long run you will be miserable if you have no shade area and if you do not stake down tents and shade you will be chasing those items like a little boy after a kite. The wind really is no joke. Ask around.

Jason[/quote]
Actually decorating the U-haul sounds like a good idea! (Maybe some ropelights or something else, I couldn't alter it too much since it would just be a rental) The theme this year is about conciousness (and the unconcious), and I would love to show some things related to quantum physics/eastern philosophy in relation to mind, matter, and conciousness in conjunction with our music (I have some really interesting videos on string theory and so forth that I want to project on a screen). I don't spin CDs, I spin vinyl and mp3s (final scratch is an analog to digital audio converter letting you spin digital mp3s via analog turntables).

For these reasons I was leaning towards starting our own area instead of joining another (being that there are 4 of us to DJ, it would be hard to find everybody spots in another theme camp). But I was concerned that 6-8 people would be too small to start our own camp. I would be down to do either, although starting our own would be fun, I don't believe renting a generator, uhaul, sound system (or I could bring my own, I'll be sure to register if it is over 300 watts), and projector would be that expensive split between like 6-8 people. I am mainly concerned about theft and ways to protect against that, but I believe u-hauls are fairly secure in the way that you can lock them up.

I am not a stranger to camping and have been camping quite a bit before. I have attended tons of underground raves out here in California mojave desert and the forest and so forth so I know about the camping/shade issue, and I definately will make sure to bring enough water, food, and shelter. Safety is always my #1 issue above fun =)

Thanks for taking the time to help out a BM newb!

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Postby sputnik » Fri Apr 08, 2005 10:46 am

blakeoleus wrote:Actually decorating the U-haul sounds like a good idea! (Maybe some ropelights or something else, I couldn't alter it too much since it would just be a rental) Blake


Just find a way to non-permanently cover up the coporate logo or otherwise modify it in a humorous way. I found an image here that shows someone spreading playa mud over the logo. Simple and effective. Then go ahead and decorate the van as much as you want.
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Postby AntiM » Fri Apr 08, 2005 1:28 pm

We covered our rented U-haul trailer with big-ass ugly velvet curtains from the thrift shop. Ran straps through the top pockets and cinched them around the top of the trailer, then weighed the bottoms so they wouldn't flop around. I imagine this could be modified for a truck easily enough.
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Postby Sandwichman » Fri Apr 08, 2005 2:37 pm

blakeoleus wrote:Actually decorating the U-haul sounds like a good idea! (Maybe some ropelights or something else, I couldn't alter it too much since it would just be a rental) The theme this year is about conciousness (and the unconcious), and I would love to show some things related to quantum physics/eastern philosophy in relation to mind, matter, and conciousness in conjunction with our music (I have some really interesting videos on string theory and so forth that I want to project on a screen). I don't spin CDs, I spin vinyl and mp3s (final scratch is an analog to digital audio converter letting you spin digital mp3s via analog turntables).


Trust me that people out there will be interested in seeing more than just visuals and hearing music. A theme camp is a lot of work and is more than just an outdoor rave.

blakeoleus wrote:For these reasons I was leaning towards starting our own area instead of joining another (being that there are 4 of us to DJ, it would be hard to find everybody spots in another theme camp). But I was concerned that 6-8 people would be too small to start our own camp. I would be down to do either, although starting our own would be fun, I don't believe renting a generator, uhaul, sound system (or I could bring my own, I'll be sure to register if it is over 300 watts), and projector would be that expensive split between like 6-8 people. I am mainly concerned about theft and ways to protect against that, but I believe u-hauls are fairly secure in the way that you can lock them up.


If you are just going to Burning Man to dj it will be hard to find spots. If you are in SOCal there are a lot of camps that do sound installs on the playa that are from your area. It would be good to find a camp you share interests with and try to hook up with them.

blakeoleus wrote:I am not a stranger to camping and have been camping quite a bit before. I have attended tons of underground raves out here in California mojave desert and the forest and so forth so I know about the camping/shade issue, and I definately will make sure to bring enough water, food, and shelter. Safety is always my #1 issue above fun =)

Thanks for taking the time to help out a BM newb!

Blake


I will warn you that as a dj for the last ten years and someone who has put together large scale outdoor events Burning Man is not just a simple camping trip. The reason people are trying to post ideas here for you is that we get concerned seeing someone who has never been trying to think that they know what it is like. On top of all your food and music there are other issues involved such as LNT, the weather, and overall the chaos. I understand how you feel the only way to spin is by making your own camp but have any of you thought of leaving the djing at home? Maybe for the first year it would be wise to assess the playa before planning a takeover. I honestly at this point am beginning to feel that the only reason you are making the trek to the playa is to be a part of the Giant Rave in Nevada and I am sorry if I am wrong but your words are really showing this. Please consider the fact that many sound camps end up having no crowd most of the week. If you are going to bring music what else do you plan to offer. Music alone is not enough anymore. I reccommend reading the survival guide and reading every letter and take it a little more serious. This is no rave and although at times it feels that way, the desert will eat you alive if you are not ready. The wind is honestly very strong. Regular fiberglass tent poles can snap out there. Shade areas are ripped and blown accross the playa like tumbleweeds. I hope you take all of this constructively and make it to the playa and have the time of your life. 13 years of dancing to techno beats did not compare to just one night on the playa. You are embarking on a trip that will forever change you. The playa is alot more than a rave and if you open up to experience that you will have an amazing time. Good luck with your prep and if you come accross Camp Apokoliptika stop in for a cold beverage and say hello.

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Postby blakeoleus » Fri Apr 08, 2005 4:47 pm

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Trust me that people out there will be interested in seeing more than just visuals and hearing music. A theme camp is a lot of work and is more than just an outdoor rave.[/quote]
I never wanted to start an entire theme camp...just a place for my 6-8 friends to set up and chill. We don't have enough people to start a whole theme camp.

[quote]If you are just going to Burning Man to dj it will be hard to find spots. If you are in SOCal there are a lot of camps that do sound installs on the playa that are from your area. It would be good to find a camp you share interests with and try to hook up with them.[/quote]
I definately am not going to burning man just to spin. I am going to burning man for the experience, and spinning is just the way I feel like I can give back to the community, it's my art. I'm not a painter, I'm not a sculpter...I like to take people places with music.

I got ahold of the last year's theme camp list though from one of the replies I got, I'll check those out and see what those possibilities are.

[quote]I will warn you that as a dj for the last ten years and someone who has put together large scale outdoor events Burning Man is not just a simple camping trip. The reason people are trying to post ideas here for you is that we get concerned seeing someone who has never been trying to think that they know what it is like. On top of all your food and music there are other issues involved such as LNT, the weather, and overall the chaos.[/quote]
I've been reading the forums and personal experiences of people who have been going...I never said that I know what is is like at burning man, but I have a fairly good idea of what it might be like through reading others experiences. I know that there can be sandstorms and high winds, with burning temperatures during the day and freezing cold at night. I've trecked hours and hours out to the middle of the mojave desert and delt with many of the same issues; while they might not be as extreme I am doing my best to be prepared as well as I can ahead of time.

[quote]I understand how you feel the only way to spin is by making your own camp but have any of you thought of leaving the djing at home? Maybe for the first year it would be wise to assess the playa before planning a takeover. I honestly at this point am beginning to feel that the only reason you are making the trek to the playa is to be a part of the Giant Rave in Nevada and I am sorry if I am wrong but your words are really showing this. Please consider the fact that many sound camps end up having no crowd most of the week. If you are going to bring music what else do you plan to offer. Music alone is not enough anymore. I reccommend reading the survival guide and reading every letter and take it a little more serious. This is no rave and although at times it feels that way, the desert will eat you alive if you are not ready. The wind is honestly very strong. Regular fiberglass tent poles can snap out there. Shade areas are ripped and blown accross the playa like tumbleweeds. I hope you take all of this constructively and make it to the playa and have the time of your life. 13 years of dancing to techno beats did not compare to just one night on the playa. You are embarking on a trip that will forever change you. The playa is alot more than a rave and if you open up to experience that you will have an amazing time. Good luck with your prep and if you come accross Camp Apokoliptika stop in for a cold beverage and say hello.

Jason[/quote]
I know full and well burning man is nothing like a rave. I am not expecting it to nor never did expect it to be a rave; but what I did think burning man was was a place of self expression - and I express myself through music. Nothing is set in stone and I was just inquiring on the best way to go about doing this if I were to do it. I never planned to set up a theme camp or anything, that sounds like a monumental task. If I were to bring music, the goal wouldn't be to attract a crowd and show my leet DJ skills, I'd just be expressing myself and whoever wanted to listen could stop by...in fact I didn't even plan on doing this the entire time. I plan on bringing bikes and exploring alot of the time, this was mostly meant for when we were chillin at camp and could contribute our self expression back to the community.

I think I might have made this sound a little unclear from my post, and I apologize about that. I believe burning man is going to be absolutely mind blowing and I just wanted to take my part in it =) I am open to whatever experiences I will come across, and I cannot wait to see all of the ways in which tens of thousands of others express themselves.

BTW, I have seen Camp Apokoliptika all around the e-playa, and I was just wondering what your camp is all about? It sounds really interesting.

Anyways, thanks for the help and I'll keep what you've said in mind - and if my friends and I do decide to bring equipment to spin that we'll be very careful and prepare for the worst.

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Re: Wanting to spin at burning man with friends, need some i

Postby hhirsch » Sat Apr 23, 2005 9:15 pm

You will definately need a generator Blake. [quote="blakeoleus"]Hey, this is going to be my first time going to burning man. Myself and three of my other friends are all DJs, and spin conciousness expanding electronica (house, drum & bass, psytrance...etc). Our plans are to get a projector and synchronize our music with breathtaking visuals that will take anybody experiencing it to the next level of awareness.

I was wondering what the best course of action would be to go about doing this. The current equipment we own is: technics turntables, djm-600 mixer, laptop with finalscratch2 mixing software, and of course vinyl. Will there be power hookups? I am assuming we will have to rent a projector and a sound system, perhaps even a generator.

Also, where would be the best place to set up? Inside a theme camp or are there other places to set up? We will be going there with 6-8 people in total I assume.

Thanks,
Blake[/quote] :!:
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