Lord Of Ruin wrote:Well....here's my $.02
I have a background in security as well, so I felt like I had an ok grip as to the roughly 15 minutes they were watching him for. You're so right that I don't know exact details, but that's why the majority of my article is just about how I experienced the event. Maybe I misunderstood the purpose/use of this forum by trying to open up questions, but I was not trying to assume I knew anything about the actions of the officers beyond what my eyes saw. If the actions the officers took were justified and necessary I don't want them to stop. I just don't think that after 15 minutes of watching this guy that the appropriate action was to cut his back open and take him away, and no amount of uncertainty about the situation is going to change that feeling. I don't know if I'm right or wrong, but what I witnessed looked very wrong and I don't feel like I should stay silent on the idea that he may have had several guns on him.
When you say "non-compliance when interacting", what do you mean? Are you talking about people so drugged out that they can't respond to a question like a name? Are you talking about citizens who know their rights and refuse to give out information unless legally required? Without knowing what happened, we'll never know what the right question to ask is, it would be silly to try.
The baton swinging was again an observation, if that's what's required I see no reason to question it. However, swinging a baton at someone could be just as dangerous as taking down a suspect in the middle of an entrance. I don't see how the cops could have seen his friend, but I did see a guy he looked to be with, who was standing at least 50 feet away from his buddy at all times when it all went down. He knew not to mess with them, it's called submit to whatever crazy demands the officer wants and then take your case to court. I felt like his friend, if that was his friend, was being very mature.
You're sooooo right about his blood, let's not treat blood like a bio-hazard because people pee on the playa. There were about 2 puddles, one about a square foot and the other about a square inch. Not the end of the world, but fucking gross. Maybe you want to dance in blood, but I have a feeling other citizens wouldn't want to, including me. If this happened anywhere but an entrance to the camp I probably wouldn't have complained as much, but that's where feet normally go and I thank the citizens who covered it up even if it seems you don't give a fuck.
I thank you for your comments, and while none of my comments were about making all police presence disappear I know that in the future you'll actually read the articles you comment on so that you'll understand the view point of the person you're commenting on. I think if the police presence is needed it should be there, but it should involve more about keeping me and the environment safe. I understand busting the citizen smoking a jay right in front of the police truck, but I don't understand why littering isn't higher on the priority list. Of all the places to litter this desert would be the worst of the worst place, and it seems the officers are more concerned about getting more revenue than actually trying to do anything that means anything (I know I'm soooo shocked too). I'm probably biased because here in Seattle we passed a law that puts marijuana on the lowest of the low on the priority list for our cops. It doesn't mean they stop arresting people, but if they see someone doing anything else against the law, ANYTHING ELSE, they are supposed to take care of that matter before taking care of a call only about marijuana. So you're probably right about that, I'm a spoiled little brat. :p