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Camp Israel is looking for participants, sound system, djs

Postby lizwiz » Mon Jun 14, 2004 11:59 pm

Jewish? Israeli? Come join our Camp!

The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.

We still have a lot of details to figure out. Come join the planning stages now. E-mail me your e-mail at lizwiz81@yahoo.com to join our mailing list.

Burning Man Camp Israel List of Activities

Shuk- Famous Israeli Marketplace
Thursday 5-7pm Bring your wares to this burning man style marketplace to give and barter. Stop by for falafel, a Middle Eastern favorite food.

Dead Sea Spa
You are already baking in the sun. Why not add mud to your baking skin to replenish it from the harsh environment of the playa. We also have Dead Sea salt scrubs for your hands and feet. Bring water to rinse off. Know massage? Volunteer to give massages here. Bring massage tables if you have them.

Tel Aviv nightlife
Israel has some of the world’s best djs and nightclubs. In Tel Aviv, these amazing clubs are often on or near the beach. At burning man, our club is on the playa. Bring your most outrageous costume and glow gear to join the fun at Club Chai where we celebrate life.

Mystics of Tsfat.
Come receive the kabbalah on Saturday afternoon. Or come just to be painted blue, a very high-energy color. Kabbalah is Jewish mysticism. We will discuss the interconnectedness and oneness of the universe. We live in many layers of reality.

Judaism 101
Grew up where there weren’t any Jews around? Curious about what Judaism, the religion Christianity is based on, is all about? Stop by with your questions on Thursday at 2pm.

Jewish Story Hour. Center camp. 11am. Everyday. Every story has a moral, makes you think, and makes you smile.

Am Yisrael Chai
Love Israeli dancing and folk music? Or want to learn new dance steps. Stop by for an Israeli aerobic workout on Wednesday at 3pm. We will be at the beginner’s level and move slow. Everyone at all experience levels is welcome. Go mashuganah.

Kabbalat Shabbat-Friday Evening Shabbat Services
My dream is that all Jews at Burning Man will join us Friday evening at dusk to welcome the Shabbat together. You are not alone. You are not an outsider. Take a break from your wandering to be with your family.

Followed by a potluck!!? We are making Matzah ball soup. What are you bringing?

Havadalah at the Man
We mark the separation of Shabbat and the week by reviving our senses. Join your community at the base of the man to say goodbye to the restful period you just had and hello to the fulfilling week ahead of you.

Camp Israel Questions and Answers. Towards the bottom, there is a discussion of what the camp will have and its needs.

What are my responsibilities as a Camp Israel participant?
To give something to the community, to give something to the camp, and to give something to yourself.

What can I give to the camp?
Your attention, your time, your energy, your love, your talent, material items, and your leadership.

What can I give to the community?
Be creative. We are open to all ideas. If you tell us before July 1st, it can be on the official camp plan and will be posted to the burning man community at large. Please communicate to us your idea, and we will help make it come true. We have a list of scheduled events. You are welcome to participate and help lead all of them. We expect that you will help with at least one of them. When you commit to a responsibility, we are counting on you. If something comes up, let us know as soon as possible. Don’t just not show up.

What can I give to myself?
An experience of a lifetime. You will remember Burning Man 2004 for how you participated for the rest of your life.

Do you think your dream of camp Israel will become a reality?
Reality is a dream

Do you think that you have enough time to make Camp Israel amazing?
It is not how much time, but how much energy/time.

Is it true that you are going to have some of the world’s best djs playing at your camp?
Everyone is welcome to play at our camp. We have a myriad of activities going on all the time. Burning man is an adult play land.

Is Burning Man 2004 going to be the best burn ever?
YES!!!

Do you need help with your camp?
I am looking for action, not talk. I know what I want. I just need people to do.

Is it true that you make some of the biggest and best matzah balls in Texas?
Yes, and they are Texas size. Yummy.

Why blue?
Blue is my favorite color. Blue also has one of the highest frequencies of the visible colors. Spiritually enlightened people throughout the ages have been attracted to a beautiful blue.

How can I give money to help make the camp more fabulous?
I am not asking for donations. I do not expect donations. You are not obligated in anyway to give money to the camp. If you have extra money and are looking for a valuable way to spend it, send it to my paypal account and it will help defray the large costs of the camp.


Will Camp Israel really have postcards?
Yep, one side will be beautiful Jewish Art. The other side will have the calendar of events with descriptions and a place for addresses. Before burning man, we can mail them to friends to invite them to camp with us. At Burning Man, we can give them to everyone to spread awareness of what we are doing. If we have specific people to invite, Ped Ex will deliver the postcards if we have addresses. People can save the card as art and as a memory. Do you know of some incredible art that you want on the postcards? We could have multiple cards with different art.

Stamps/stickers/or other gifts that say Burners for Israel?
I want us to make something that we can give people to wear that says Burners for Israel. Now is the time that we show our support and love for Israel.

What are the values of the camp and its participants?
Loving life, education, family, community, and food.

Will camp Israel really have a camp shower?
Yep, we just need someone to build it (and help design it). I would like to actually have 2 showers that are completely enclosed. I like my privacy when bathing. Everyone is welcome to use the camp showers, just bring extra water for bathing. Last year, I took a shower every single day. Bring a solar shower. You can find one for 5 dollars at Wal-Mart or at a camping store. They are black bags that will heat up during the day in the sun. They have shower spouts and a rope for you to hang the bag. If you don’t have a solar shower, bring a buddy and your water. Your shower buddy will help pour it on you.

What do I need to bring to survive?
Check out the burning man survival guide at www.burningman.com.

Sleep Survival?
Bring tents and sleeping bags. I brought those cushy egg cartons one year and it really made a difference. Air mattresses are great, too.

Water survival?
Bring tons of water. At least 1.5 gallons of water per person per day for drinking, cooking, and washing. Buy or borrow a camelbak for your travels around the playa. Never leave home without water.

Food survival? Community kitchen?
Bring food. If y’all would like to do a community kitchen with community eating, we can have everyone be responsible for one meal (or more). We will have a sign up sheet on the website and below. If you need ideas of what to make, I have many suggestions that are tasty and inexpensive. We will need kitchen supplies such as large pots, pans, ladles, spatula, serving spoons, plates, cups, bowls, silverware, trash bags, clean up station, soap, and basic kitchen food. If we have a community kitchen, everyone has to keep it clean. We clean up as soon as we finish eating. We do not put it off for later. If you make a mess, clean it up.

Community space?
I really want to get one of those 100 person tents from army surplus. The bigger the better. I figure an army tent will hold up to the extreme environment at BM. I want the tent to be multi-purpose. This place is where we are going to hold all our events. We need foldable tables and chairs for dinner, and comfy things to sit on during the community gatherings.

Club Chai!
We also need decorations for the club. I love glowing things and colorful lights. If someone knows about or wants to learn about EL wire, contact me immediately. I want us to make a glowing sign for the entrance that says Chai in Hebrew, preferably blue and constantly flashing. We need power for the lights. We can also use rope lights for a pathway. In fact, we need a volunteer to be in charge of the decorations for the tent for Club Chai. We can leave them up all the time or take them down after the event. We also need a good sound system, dj equipment, and music.

Israeli dancing!
Assuming that we have the sound system for Club Chai, we can use it for the Israeli dancing. We need the best traditional Israeli music for dancing. Also, please let me know if you would like to be an instructor for this program.

Camp sign!
We need a Camp Israel sign. Something beautiful, artistic, and big so that people walking by will want to check us out.



Food schedule-sign up!

Monday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner

Tuesday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner

Wednesday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner Spaghetti dinner-Liz and Yuval

Thursday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner- Falafel in the Shuk. Liz and Yuval and team.

Friday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner Potluck Dinner- Matzah Ball Soup –Liz and Yuval.

Saturday
Breakfast
Lunch
Dinner

Sunday
Breakfast – Pancakes- Liz and Yuval
Lunch
Dinner

Calendar of events

Monday
Arrival and set up of camp

Tuesday
11-11:30am Jewish Story Time at Center Camp
4pm. Dead Sea Spa

Wednesday
11-11:30am Jewish Story Time at Center Camp
3pm. Israeli dancing
6pm. Camp Israel Spaghettie dinner

Thursday
11-11:30am Jewish Story Time at Center Camp
2pm. Judaism 101
5-7pm Shuk
11-3am Tel Aviv nightlife

Friday
11-11:30am Jewish Story Time at Center Camp
7pm-Kabbalat Shabbat

Saturday
11-11:30am Jewish Story Time at Center Camp
2pm-Kabbalah
8pm-Havdala

Sunday
10:30am Pancakes

Monday
Clean up and departure


Burner’s for Israel



Suggested reading

The case for Israel
Exodus, Leon Uris
The Source, James Michener
The Jews: Story of A People, Howard Fast
Chutzpah, Alan M Dershowitz
Moshe Dayan: The Soldier, The Man, the Legend, Shabtai Teveth
Night, Elie Wiesel


Suggested Jewish websites

www.machers.com


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Postby zorro sings » Tue Jun 15, 2004 7:16 am

Not enough information on the camp for me to decide properly.Shalom.
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Postby lizwiz » Sat Jun 19, 2004 4:48 pm

The Camp Israel team of participants is growing. Come join the fun that we are having! We are making a dream a reality. Have you thought about what you can give? Rumor has it that we might even have a Rabbi camping with us. Get on our e-mail list to hear about the latest developments.

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Postby bullD » Sat Jun 19, 2004 7:21 pm

Whoa,,, Liz,,, I am already with a camp but, I have a feeling I will be spending some time at you're camp as well. That is of course when we are not on my pedicab :D
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Postby spectabillis » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:10 am

lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?
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Postby moshe! » Sun Jun 20, 2004 5:47 am

Yeah! Yeah! Politicize! Thats just what burning man needs.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 6:32 am

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Postby bullD » Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:15 am

DVD Burner wrote:I can see trouble ahead.Image


:x You peeps think there is going to be trouble because you are conditioned to think that way...
be bigger than what you have been fed all you're life.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 7:19 am

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DVD Burner wrote:I can see trouble ahead.Image


:x You peeps think there is going to be trouble because you are conditioned to think that way...
be bigger than what you have been fed all you're life.


Exactly the reason I said " I see trouble ahead"

You never asked why I did, you asumed I either thought "you" wre going to be trouble or someone was going to cause trouble.

:lol:

Either way, it's gonna be trouble. why cant everyone leave the ethnicities behind and just be burners. This I can see will get nastier than the "why is burningman so white" thread.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 8:03 am

And just for the record, I grew up with Jews. They were my neighbors, schoolmates, and the synagogue is still across the street from where my parents still live for over 30 years.
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Postby bullD » Sun Jun 20, 2004 11:37 am

DVD Burner wrote:And just for the record, I grew up with Jews. They were my neighbors, schoolmates, and the synagogue is still across the street from where my parents still live for over 30 years.
--ALSO--: Either way, it's gonna be trouble. why cant everyone leave the ethnicities behind and just be burners.


uhh,,,ok.

So what you are saying is you would rather see absolutely NO ethnic persuasion on the playa at all, is that right?
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:02 pm

bullD wrote:So what you are saying is you would rather see absolutely NO ethnic persuasion on the playa at all, is that right?


What I want is kinda irrelevant. It would be nice to see Burningman progress in what it already has as in new cultures. Slight example, the Goth community, the ravers, artists and all are pushing the limits in an awesome experiment.

All of the previous centuries have already proven that they know how to not get it right and not get along and destroy each other and ignore progressive ideas. Why infect the only time for everyone to get together on the playa in a temporary city with what is not good from the outside that everyone is trying to get away from?
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IMHO of course.
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Postby bullD » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:23 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
bullD wrote:So what you are saying is you would rather see absolutely NO ethnic persuasion on the playa at all, is that right?


What I want is kinda irrelevant. It would be nice to see Burningman progress in what it already has as in new cultures. Slight example, the Goth community, the ravers, artists and all are pushing the limits in an awesome experiment.

All of the previous centuries have already proven that they know how to not get it right and not get along and destroy each other and ignore progressive ideas. Why infect the only time for everyone to get together on the playa in a temporary city with what is not good from the outside that everyone is trying to get away from?


uhh, ok.

Goth's, ravers, artists and all come from a wide variety of different cultures and ethnic backgrounds. If we did it you're way, there would have to be an officer of culture/ethnic removal at the front gate and it would go something like this:

--Excuse me, I need for you to reveal you're culture and/or ethnicity to me please.

Oh really, not white then ehh. I'm going to need you to leave you're culture here at the gate please. We cant have any FOREIGN cultures/ethnicities infecting our event...--

DVD Burner, where are you from? And, how did you come to have such a narrow view on the subject of culture/ethnicity? Oh, and what is it that YOU are trying to get away from?
I think you need to speak for yourself when you say EVERYONE is trying to get away from something. SO, with that said, all I can say to you is THINK about the things you have said, you should stop revealing who and what you are, NOW.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:28 pm

Just so you dont missunderstand me any further, look at the diversity of the camps for this year:

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_in ... _al.html#A

last thing you really want is religon and politics to mess it up. suppose someone puts up an Arab camp or Palistinian camp. would camp Israel have problems with that?

how is all of this fitting into the theme of things? I myself have nothing against any of the proposed camps other than having a hard time seeing how all of these cultures plan on getting along at burningman since it's already proven that they cant elsewhere and people in the states and other parts of the world have very big opinions about how things are in that part of the world.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:34 pm

bullD wrote:
uhh, ok.

Goth's, ravers, artists and all come from a wide variety of different cultures and ethnic backgrounds. If we did it you're way, there would have to be an officer of culture/ethnic removal at the front gate and it would go something like this:

--Excuse me, I need for you to reveal you're culture and/or ethnicity to me please.

Oh really, not white then ehh. I'm going to need you to leave you're culture here at the gate please. We cant have any FOREIGN cultures/ethnicities infecting our event...--



Exactly what I mean. You missed my point and spectabillis and moshe's.


spectabillis wrote:
lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?


moshe! wrote:Yeah! Yeah! Politicize! Thats just what burning man needs.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 12:40 pm

Who really gives 2 flying fucks weather you are Jewish, Palestinian, Tunisian, Black, White, a giant Turd.


Labels are what you are falling into if that be the case. I never thought Burningman was about that but maybe I'm that naive.


Hey, I've been wrong before. :? :shock:
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Why camp Israel is impt to me!

Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:22 pm

I am Jewish native Texan. I grew up in a predominately non Jewish environment. Being surrounded by Jews in college and going to Israel helped me to realize how I was an outsider growing up because I was Jewish. I have also realized that one of my great passions in life is to strenthen the Jewish community and to promote positive Jewish Awareness to the world. I am not segregating us from the rest of Bm, I am strengthening us and sharing to BM how much I love Israel. This year's theme explicitly states that you should create your own world. I am trying to create a world of people that are like minded and on a similar level. Together we can grow and make new connections. My camp is not exclusively Jewish. We already have a Hindu that wants to camp with us.

Also, I realized at my second year at BM (the festival that you can find anything you want if you know what you want) that I just wanted three things. I wanted to find awesome Israeli Trance, to spend time with Israelis, and to celebrate Shabbat. I found all 3 and it turned out that all 3 were connected. My heart and my soul was yearning for these things. This year I want to create the environment for these 3 things to converge.

Burning Man is a very spiritual place just like Israel is. I want to heighten the spiritual experience there by bringing spiritual people together by offering spiritual events.

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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:27 pm

lizwiz wrote:I am Jewish native Texan. I grew up in a predominately non Jewish environment. Being surrounded by Jews in college and going to Israel helped me to realize how I was an outsider growing up because I was Jewish. I have also realized that one of my great passions in life is to strenthen the Jewish community and to promote positive Jewish Awareness to the world. I am not segregating us from the rest of Bm, I am strengthening us and sharing to BM how much I love Israel. This year's theme explicitly states that you should create your own world. I am trying to create a world of people that are like minded and on a similar level. Together we can grow and make new connections. My camp is not exclusively Jewish. We already have a Hindu that wants to camp with us.


Missed my point again. And you most likely did'nt read my post earlier.
So have you been to Paris? I have. maybe I should open up a camp Paris?

I have a Black guy that wants to camp with us. let me bring this blackie along for some diversity amoungst all us Parisians.

the whole thing is rather silly to me but that's me.
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Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:31 pm

spectabillis wrote:
lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?


There is no such thing as palestinians today. There are Israelis, there are Jordanians, and there are arabs.

Just like there are no Romans today. Just Italians. (unless you mean the people from the city of Rome).

The term Palestinian left the scene when the British did in the '40s. It was a British term for all the people, Jews and Arabs, that lived in the area that is now Israel and Jordan. The Jews got Israel and the Arabs got Jordan.
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Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:37 pm

spectabillis wrote:
lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?


All Burners are invited to our camp. The camp is not a political camp or a camp designed for politcal discussion. Is there an activity in my list of activities discussing the way the arabs are trying to destroy Israel? No.

Anyone that supports the existence and continued existence of Israel is completely welcome to even camp with us.

My camp will be the happiest most positive place on the playa. I do not have time for your drama!

The Jews are one of the most tolerant people on the face of this earth and always have been. We have lived all over the world in every community, at least until the decide to kick us out or massacre us.

We believe in getting along because we have an inherent value for all individual life. We respect every living thing on this planet. One of the goals of being Jewish is to improve the world around us and make it a better place. We value education and questioning everything. If you are a thinker, than you find ways of living in harmony.

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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:37 pm

lizwiz wrote:There is no such thing as palestinians today. There are Israelis, there are Jordanians, and there are arabs.

Just like there are no Romans today. Just Italians. (unless you mean the people from the city of Rome).

The term Palestinian left the scene when the British did in the '40s. It was a British term for all the people, Jews and Arabs, that lived in the area that is now Israel and Jordan. The Jews got Israel and the Arabs got Jordan.


This girl sees nothing she is doing.

Gauranteed problem. Big problem.


I said all I need to. I'm outta here.


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Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:46 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
bullD wrote:
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:x You peeps think there is going to be trouble because you are conditioned to think that way...
be bigger than what you have been fed all you're life.


Exactly the reason I said " I see trouble ahead"

You never asked why I did, you asumed I either thought "you" wre going to be trouble or someone was going to cause trouble.

:lol:

Either way, it's gonna be trouble. why cant everyone leave the ethnicities behind and just be burners. This I can see will get nastier than the "why is burningman so white" thread.


DVD Burner this list was actually a non controversial list until you started in on the issue. You are the one that wants to make it nastier that the other lists. It doesn't have to be at all.

I am 100% in the BM spirit of things. I am loving Israel and showing my love to my community. If you want to start a Camp Paris, I would love to visit. I have always wanted to go to Paris. Please show me the wonderful things about that very romanitc city.

you show the list of diverse theme camps. Why are you picking on mine? I have a theme and I am going to make the playa a better place with this camp than without it.

You should definitely come visit our camp so you will get why it is so important that our camp exists. Just like how Israel should exist.

The Jews have already gotten the burning man idea. In fact, I think it the opposite way around. Jews totally support each other and give to each other all the time. We look out for each other.

Friday night, I was a guest at complete strangers house for dinner. How wonderful is that! Just like BM. We were completely welcomed.
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Re: Our team is growing!

Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 1:56 pm

In the order that the posts were posted:

lizwiz wrote:The Camp Israel team of participants is growing. Come join the fun that we are having! We are making a dream a reality. Have you thought about what you can give? Rumor has it that we might even have a Rabbi camping with us. Get on our e-mail list to hear about the latest developments.

Love, smiles, shalom,
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bullD wrote:Whoa,,, Liz,,, I am already with a camp but, I have a feeling I will be spending some time at you're camp as well. That is of course when we are not on my pedicab :D


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lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?


moshe! wrote:Yeah! Yeah! Politicize! Thats just what burning man needs.


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As you can see I did not start what you created. I am responding to the replies you provoked.
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Postby moshe! » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:02 pm

Unfortunateley, I think you missed my point dvd. I was replying to the question of whether or not palestinians were invited. As if there could not be a reference to Israel or a gathering of jews with out a disscussion of politics. Thats what doesnt work here. Jews and Israel are not defined bu the Arab/Israeli conflict. So to ask if palestinians (who do exist by the way , just ask the million of them in Gaza) will be invited is an unneccesarry politicization and a revalation of a real ignorance.
I do not go to Burning man to "escape the cultures" of the outside world. I go tto burning man, in part , to celebrate them.
I do go to escape politics and the like.

you wrote:
"why cant everyone leave the ethnicities behind and just be burners"

Only white people have the luxury to say this. Thats as silly as saying , why dont we leave our genders behnd and be burners. SOme of us are male, some female and some ssomewhere in the middle. We dont decide to be gender neutral for the weekend because of the exsistance of sexism in the world.
Nor can Jews leave behind their jewishness for any moment

Why does it strike you as "bad" that jewish burners want to get together and have community at burning man?
There is AA camp, where sober folk meet to find eachother and have support.
There is polyamory camp where people meet and find like minded people to play with.

There is now and has been , A camp where Jews can come together , find each other and experience the burn as jews..

So... We ought to be very very careful using words like "infect" it has a nasty connotation that may not be picked up by a white american.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:11 pm

moshe! wrote:Unfortunateley, I think you missed my point dvd. I was replying to the question of whether or not palestinians were invited.


I understood what you were saying thoroughly. which is why I say my point is missed when this statement came along:

lizwiz wrote:
spectabillis wrote:
lizwiz wrote:The purpose of the camp is to promote Jewish Awareness to the Burning Man community at large and to provide a place for Jews to gather.


Are Palestinians invited?


There is no such thing as palestinians today. There are Israelis, there are Jordanians, and there are arabs.


It is inevitable that there would be a problem with the way the post was posted by Lizwiz. If not I who said or posted what I did then for sure Lizwiz would inevitably get a response worse then what I posted. who knows, she probally will get a nastier post then what I've posted even though what I posted was not a nasty post. In fact I was being rather nice about it really.
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Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:12 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Just so you dont missunderstand me any further, look at the diversity of the camps for this year:

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_in ... _al.html#A


Yay Diversity!!! The more diversity the better! it makes people more tolerant if they see how varied people are.

last thing you really want is religon and politics to mess it up. suppose someone puts up an Arab camp or Palistinian camp. would camp Israel have problems with that?

DVD we didn't bring politics into our camp. You did! We aren't political in nature! We have no problem with anyone elses camp as long as they don't bother us. Burning Man is awesome because we have such freedom to express ourselves. Camp Israel is a camp of love and life. We celebrate life and give love to each other. We are truly BM. My hope is that all the camps are like that.

how is all of this fitting into the theme of things? I myself have nothing against any of the proposed camps other than having a hard time seeing how all of these cultures plan on getting along at burningman since it's already proven that they cant elsewhere and people in the states and other parts of the world have very big opinions about how things are in that part of the world.



what are you talking about? Do you live in America? Look at how all the different cultures live together and get along here. Burning man is exactly the place where everyone gets along. We can really go beyond our current boundaries and meet people from every background. BM is where you ask questions about who you are and where you came from.

How do you plan on improving the situation you just described? you said people don't get along? Why don't they? What is it that they can't agree on? If people have respect for each other and agree that everyone has a right to life until the violate their own right to living than people can find a way to get along.
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:13 pm

There is no such thing as palestinians today.


Dont say that to a palestinian. :lol:

You obviously dont know the history of Palistine.
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Postby lizwiz » Sun Jun 20, 2004 2:14 pm

DVD Burner wrote:Just so you dont missunderstand me any further, look at the diversity of the camps for this year:

http://www.burningman.com/themecamps_in ... _al.html#A



Yay Diversity!!! The more diversity the better! it makes people more tolerant if they see how varied people are.

DVD Burner wrote:last thing you really want is religon and politics to mess it up. suppose someone puts up an Arab camp or Palistinian camp. would camp Israel have problems with that?


DVD we didn't bring politics into our camp. You did! We aren't political in nature! We have no problem with anyone elses camp as long as they don't bother us. Burning Man is awesome because we have such freedom to express ourselves. Camp Israel is a camp of love and life. We celebrate life and give love to each other. We are truly BM. My hope is that all the camps are like that.

DVD Burner wrote:how is all of this fitting into the theme of things? I myself have nothing against any of the proposed camps other than having a hard time seeing how all of these cultures plan on getting along at burningman since it's already proven that they cant elsewhere and people in the states and other parts of the world have very big opinions about how things are in that part of the world.



what are you talking about? Do you live in America? Look at how all the different cultures live together and get along here. Burning man is exactly the place where everyone gets along. We can really go beyond our current boundaries and meet people from every background. BM is where you ask questions about who you are and where you came from.

How do you plan on improving the situation you just described? you said people don't get along? Why don't they? What is it that they can't agree on? If people have respect for each other and agree that everyone has a right to life until the violate their own right to living than people can find a way to get along.
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