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Postby Bob » Thu May 20, 2004 10:01 pm

Scanning through the above --

To comply with the BLM permit, you can't bury generators, or in any case dig holes large than you'd need for a 4x4 post; technopatra said just about everything else I might have after a quick read, and I'm not sure how relevant the rest of the comments are.

Up to ya'll how you vet your camp ideas. Not sure I'd have done it here without more research.
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Re: One more thingy

Postby dragonfly Jafe » Fri May 21, 2004 7:36 am

RandomFuture wrote:Almost lastly, one of our group is designing a body sticker with a timer on it, so that if a person comes in to the camp, he/she can only stay there for 2-4 hours or so and the body sticker turns a color of red. Our thought is that prior to entrance, a person must agree to leave when it turns red....thoughts?? Cool technology I think...way to go Bobbeo....


So, in a desert, where it is hot & sweaty by day and always dusty, your going to use adhesives to stick something to someone's skin, then make them take a shower, then they will indulge in 2-4 hours of activity. What kind of adhesive are you planning on using and what does the MSDS for it look like? How will people remove it when they leave your space?

Maybe you should use a batch system instead - have 2 tents open at once and 2 tents closed. When times up, the tent empties out. The next batch goes into the other tent. Meanwhile, the first tent is getting aired out / cleaned up. You could have a "purge" every 30 minutes, and still have a 2 hour "duration" for the guests. No stickers. Easier to manage.

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What allowance are you making for voyeurs?

Postby Rage » Fri May 21, 2004 8:04 am

There may be plenty of people who find it fulfilling just to be present in an atmosphere of sex. Will they feel out of place? Will they be allowed to hang. It's a delecate issue.
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Postby zorro sings » Fri May 21, 2004 8:30 am

Come on.If you have not figured it out already the color coded sticker lifted from "Logan's Run"should give this bad boy away.It is a joke.
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Postby RandomFuture » Fri May 21, 2004 9:01 am

Bob thanks for the BLM heads up....Sgt Goofoff will be all over it. And since this is BLM land, temp excemptions can be made, according to her.

The person with the MSDS issue, thanks for the suggestion. However, the little sticker does work well. It is being developed for some other app, but works fine...as far as the MSDS, Does this mean we need to get everyone to sign a waiver before entering?? What a bummer, no way. If you don't want to put one on, then don't come in. However, thanks for the feedback.

The person with the "no retraction"...I was not asking for one, have a good life and please don't come by.

We have been attending BM for 3 years, mostly as a spartan existance to destress, drink beer, see some wierdos, and play video games on our laptops until we pass out. As the world has been very good to us, we would like to give back to the community that inspired us to destress each year. Hence the "largess" of our plans and gift.

What better way to spend your time, than to have sex as often as possible, drink alot and meet new people. Once clothes are removed, our experinece is most inhibitions go too...we become more free.

Also, so of our ideas have been appropriated by the smaller escatisville...(see big money, big debate in the other forum). He is charging people room and board for what he is doing. We are not. But again that is his problem.

Bottom line, we are asking for help in policies to helpf further the enjoyment of the experinece for all.

BM has grown up, maybe we are not artists, but we enjoy art of all kinds. Witin our group you will find buildings with their name on them, for donations they made to the arts, music and theater. Personally, I love art, and dropping a several grand on art at BM, may be worth it to some people. I like different and varied (electic) art. Although there is no commerce (supposedly), commissioning someone to build something similar for me at my ranch garden, may encourage the person to explore their artistic talent.

BM has indeed matured. Have a good one people. Our team is busy right now and the website should be up in a couple of days.
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Ooops...

Postby Rage » Fri May 21, 2004 9:05 am

Figured it was but didn't read all the posts, couldn't be sure... jokes on me for being serious in my response!

Good one though, very good joke.
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Postby Tiara » Fri May 21, 2004 9:18 am

since this is BLM land, temp excemptions can be made


I think that any "exceptions" would have to be approved in advance by the BM LLC, since the event permit gives them a certain amount of authority within the area designated for the event.

While the BLM might also have to be consulted, I don't think BLM approval without BM LLC approval would be sufficient.
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Postby Bob » Fri May 21, 2004 1:41 pm

Exceptions?

Gee, hadn't thought of that.

Brilliant!!!
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Postby zorro sings » Fri May 21, 2004 2:03 pm

To- DJ Mic Rage.Was not directing my comment to you in particular.Just seemed no one had thought of this as a prank.I may have bought it a little more if they were"Veteran Burners" instead of "green".Madness such as this idea must be aquired first hand.
For this sort of mind,and I know my kind, why not a block of of suites in Vegas or a studio in Fontana?If you are going to throw this much dough at a Caligula re-make it can be done a bit more comfortably.I do credit the 'camp"for presenting an interesting scenario and could be a stalking hourse of some kind.Watch out.
My biggest concern however would be that it would put the smaller sex clubs out of business.
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Postby Dork » Fri May 21, 2004 5:32 pm

Am I the only one a little creeped out by the combination of military precision and orgies, given the current Iraq scandal?
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Postby Bob » Fri May 21, 2004 7:16 pm

Who the hell are any of you to judge?

Be specific.
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Postby DVD Burner » Fri May 21, 2004 7:32 pm

Dork wrote:Am I the only one a little creeped out by the combination of military precision and orgies, given the current Iraq scandal?


Yeah I am. They are giving S&M a bad name. :P

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Postby Bob A » Fri May 21, 2004 9:18 pm

zorro sings wrote:.I may have bought it a little more if they were"Veteran Burners" instead of "green".


HE claims to have gone 3 times before. The "Green" referred to their environmental attitude. You know with the hired clean up crews and digging trenches to bury all the wires and stuff. Yeah Right!

RandomFuture wrote:We have been attending BM for 3 years, mostly as a spartan existance to destress, drink beer, see some wierdos, and play video games on our laptops until we pass out.


It’s this quote that got me. Drink beer, see weirdoes, and play video games. They sound more like a combo of frat boys and tourists. Doesn't sound like they participated and that they considered the rest of us the weirdoes as they got a "good show".


I still don't know if this is real or not, I think not. But if true and I was heading for a "party" camp I think I would choose to participate in one of the smaller more real ones.

zorro sings wrote:My biggest concern however would be that it would put the smaller sex clubs out of business.


I think the other adult camps will be safe If this is real it will have some novelty, but that will wear thin with most.

Did you notice to that his profile has no info and he joined just before his first post? Hmm... I wonder.

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Postby Bob » Fri May 21, 2004 9:27 pm

Who are you to judge?
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Postby Bob A » Fri May 21, 2004 9:51 pm

Bob wrote:Who are you to judge?


Not judging, Just a person with an opinion like everyone else.

To what part are you referring to as judging?
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Postby Bob » Fri May 21, 2004 10:18 pm

What part wasn't judgmental?

If there's one thing I've learned, from having reviewed more than a few theme camp descriptions in the past re: crazy/unsafe things they might be building, is that even if you think something is the lamest idea on earth, you may not have considered how to one or more special persons it may be the most brilliant in the universe.

Plus, reviewing the camp proposal is up to people I have much more trust in that any of the fuckwits on this bbs.

I think it sounds kind of campy -- but if you find me nearby taking a dirt nap in a toga, just feel free to put a couple of rounds in, point blank, back of the head.
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Fri May 21, 2004 10:38 pm

I think if I had just shitloads of disposable cash and wanted to do something for Burning Man with a lot of it, and didn't want to "spoil" it, I'd subsidize the DPW. Set 'em up with awesome equipment and facilities, let them do whatever they wanted with it.
Or underwrite the Center Camp Cafe, and Antartica. Or if I was a real big spender, pay the BLM permit fee.
I think there's plenty of ways to throw cash at BM without compromizing the campy, amateur, volunteerish feel of it.
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Postby Bob » Fri May 21, 2004 11:48 pm

Buncha neo-Calvinists, that's what you are.
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sat May 22, 2004 12:18 am

Just daydreaming a little about having unlimited cash... who NEVER does that?
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steady there...

Postby technopatra » Sat May 22, 2004 9:31 am

Ease up, Bob. RandomFuture posted his camp plans here for folks to give their opinions. You yourself questioned the wisdom of doing so, (no dubt foreseeing the coming blitz) but RandomFuture has fully kept his cool and responded to negative comments with grace.

You are totally right when you indicate that one can't accurately judge a themecamp by descriptions of it, and that if it works for a special few, then it still works.

And I too get irritated with the sometimes knee-jerk downer responses when issues like this come up. Even when I have them. It can feel like a big old bandwagon that folks just can't wait to jump on. It feels uncomfortably like mob-mentality.

But calling folks fuckwits while asking them not to judge is uncharacteristically hypocritical of you. This thread is about opinions, so please do not derail it by attacking folks for having them.
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Postby Bob » Sat May 22, 2004 11:40 am

Looks to me like the hypocritical horsecrap was out of the barn and scattered down the road before I offered my own little bit o' moop.
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Camp Hedon Replies

Postby RandomFuture » Mon May 24, 2004 3:03 pm

Hiya Burners.

I posted baiscally what I had to say the other forum (big plans, big money). I just wanted to add to the other post by saying that our committee fully appreciates all comments, both postitive and negative. We have a chance here to do something different, yet with spirit. Others that have joined our efforts have expressed the concerns above and more.

Bottom line for this thread (go to other thread to read more), is that we are giving back a very small portion of one of our creations in the desert--one of our investment ideas that made it big time. Therefor, sharing with others that inspired us, is what is all about.

Have fun at camp hedon, we are all about participation or non participation...it is whatever you choose.

Just a slight story of interest. One of my EA's has been on this full time, now for a week. She has recruited many to participat in the fun...It has been an incredible response... Can it be that we still live in a sexually repressed society?? (sic) Because, the opportunity to let your hair down, walk around naked, have sex when you want--Is incredibily appealing to many women.....I am absolutely shocked at how many are coming. For the men...well the men are always on point, so no need to recruit there.
But seriously, the safety, security and ability to meet and join with others....has a certain appeal to women from 21 to 55....and yes, that is the range of women willing to shed their clothes and try the 60's over again.

Take care, all comments welcome.

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Postby stuart » Mon May 24, 2004 5:07 pm

women willing to shed their clothes and try the 60's over again.


cites?

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Postby naken » Mon May 24, 2004 8:11 pm

Greetings camp hedon,it appears that you have misunderstood burningman the spirit the freedom.i enjoy the extreme self expression of burningman,i open my senses to people,art,nature;i give ,i participate,i become the participant,i release myself.The discription of your camp activities offers not a return to the 60s ,,PS i was there,but a controlled hide out in the tent to fuck, this is not fucking freedom its just fucking. you can do this at home.So i am not judgeing here or there. let me make a sugestion in an effort to help you channel your energy.Go out into the burning community,each of you,to listen to speak to participate,an see how many of you guys an gals can get connected sexually if you prefer.No walls,no security guard,no guarantee,just natural freedom,you will remember this for ever.try it
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Postby SED » Mon May 24, 2004 9:06 pm

I'm all for sex parties at Burning Man, but what Random Future proposes is on such a grand scale that it will garner a lot attention from outside media. The physical impact on the playa alone seems reason enough to rethink the plan.

If giving back is a major intention, how about buying a new medivac helicopter to the Gerlack area trauma center? Or just underwrite more grants for Black Rock Arts. Hell, you could help me turn my truck into mobile Flying Saucer/Discotheque/Bubble Lounge. My theme will be Space Pimp, so we're already on the page.
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This Charade has Continued Too Long, Doncha Think???

Postby leslielandberg » Tue May 25, 2004 11:50 am

This is clearly a hoax. Okay, it was an interesting thread and lots of good people have gotten caught up in this. It was an interesting joke/experiment, but I am fatigued.

Burnining Man is composed of a diverse and for the most part, very tolerant community. We have all expended our time and thought on this thread, as though it were a legitimate undertaking.

It is obvious to me that people's legs are being pulled or - if they are not - that this idea is clearly not a good fit for the venue, despite all good intentions on the parts of the "planners".

I have been to many "play parties", run by experienced persons. As a woman and regular at such events, there is nothing remotely enticing about the proposed scenario offered. There is a lot to go wrong. I shudder to envision thuggy, fully clothed "security" people sweeping their pruient eyes over my body, soggy mattresses drippnig with other people's goo, clueless, agressive "heteros" reeking of beer, unsafe sex being performed with no monitoring...if this is a modern orgy, do you intend to provide a vomitorium??? I'm ready to lose mine already.

I see several red flags go up, the most troubling being the open admission that these folks watch video games and think of us as "weirdos" who are good for "watching"; BLM making "exceptions" so that a generator can be buried; donating to charity, among other used items, the mattresses used in the orgy...let's all go out for coffe and have a big laugh sometime soon, okay>?

Now what are you REALLY planning for this year's Burn? The theme is Vault of Heaven...I'll bet you have some nice ideas that are not just pretend...let's hear about those now, okay?
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Postby DVD Burner » Tue May 25, 2004 12:10 pm

Touche' leslielandberg.

I was thinking the same but was afraid to say so.

something dose'nt smell quite right. (please excuse the pun.)
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Postby leslielandberg » Tue May 25, 2004 12:17 pm

Thanks, DVD Burner, I appreciate that. This is my very first time participating in any kind of discussion board! I don't even have a cute board name or a picture yet...thanks for making me feel welcome!
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Re: more info

Postby kimityme » Thu May 27, 2004 11:09 am

RandomFuture wrote: Does this mean we need to get everyone to sign a waiver before entering??



I can't say if this is for real or a big ass prank as some of the people say here...What does it matter if this group of people hire a crew to handle clean up or building?...they are not passing the buck on the playa, I'm sure. Are there not grant programs to build art?
And as for donating to the other organizations at BM-or to Gerlach medical-why? These people obviously have the desire and drive to set up something THEY believe in. If they leave no trace what else is there to piss and moan about?

The issue of digging for generators - they can build a box.

The issue of mattresses they plan to donate? ew...give them a disposable puppy training pad and baby wipes if they plan to spew their goo, and a trash can they can toss it into when they are done.

If you have a time limit I think it will distract the people who are full on enjoying themselves. But the 2 tents empty with a timer sounds good. I don't think I would want a sticker on my skin...I for one am curious, my husband would be as well - but I'm not sure I would actually like to have complete Sex with other people, either.

Think about color coded ribbons tied around the wrist....or whatever body part.
one color for those who would like only to kiss and fondle
one color for couples
one color for any fucking thing goes......
IF at anytime someone has had enough or feels threatened the ribbon comes off and they can wave it above their head for assistance.

Or so on.

I think that most people will have concerns. I also think there will be alot of interest in your camp. As for the theme this year... I can only say that heaven is a state of mind. If you have a VAULT to offer

Gift IT.
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Postby sparkletarte » Thu May 27, 2004 7:39 pm

This camp is intriguing and yet gross at the same time. It would be fun and yet...gooey, and not neccessarily in a nice way. Please, for the love of Pete, do not give your used matresses to the thrift store.

I like the ribbon idea, the timed tents idea, and what naken said. I hope you have a big shower, or at least a lot of handi-wipes.
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