dj_john69 wrote:Since 2000, i have seen some of the Worlds biggest and best dj's on the Playa....Oakenfold, Collins, Freeland to name a few. It seems as though everyone is doing a "rave" camp nowadays but only a few are actually worth the time and effort. Much props to the groups that made the effort and spent the time and $$ to do it up right.
Jordan 10-E wrote:dj_john69 wrote:Since 2000, i have seen some of the Worlds biggest and best dj's on the Playa....Oakenfold, Collins, Freeland to name a few. It seems as though everyone is doing a "rave" camp nowadays but only a few are actually worth the time and effort. Much props to the groups that made the effort and spent the time and $$ to do it up right.
I agree there is some "competition", but not every group has $10,000 +/- to "do it right". Some camps are admittedly more successful than others, but everyone one deserves credit for their efforts in whatever they do. Is this any different than a large-scale art project vs. a small simple art piece? I don't see how it is. Groups should consider the implications and results of their proposed camp on their own and determine if it is worth it or not to put their resources into it. If it doesn't work out the way they wanted either they will have to morph into something else in the future or find a way to come up with the very large sums of money to do it right according to your criteria. I give props to camps large and small. I have seen even quite large rave camps with great sound not have the huge numbers of people you might consider making it worth it.
Another point while I am on this, I in no way agree that there should be more or less rave camps. At least not by any rule or imposed cap, the process of natural selection will do that business for you. I am not implying that you were advocating an imposed limit, but I have a feeling that a small handful of people reading will respond to this thread with such an idea. Frankly, I get really tired of the jump-on-the-bandwagon put downs I read from some people attending Burning Man about "ravers" (I'd like to know how they can tell the ravers from everyone else). Last time I checked Burning Man was about the ability for all kinds of groups to express themselves at the event. To make stereotypical judgements like "ravers" don't get it, etc... is very hypocritical. In fact, I think people who make such exclusionary comments are the ones that don't "get it'.
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metric wrote:we're not gonna confiscate their equipment... just the fuses from the amplifiers.
I personally feel that the dialogue hear about the regulations of electronic music camps warrants further examination. Is any more info in regard to it from any of you all? B-Man, for me, is a sanctuary of electronica contrasting the void of such music I experience the rest of the year. Sure it seems that in past years that there are more crappy techno DJs about the playa and those who disregard noise regulations, but "crappy" is subjective.
And the presence of amazing artists year after year more than compensates IMHO. My greatest fears are 1) that the surplus of mediocre techno music will stifle the creativity and artistic diversity of the event, and
2) the rumoured increase in the presence of law enforcement specifically stationed at the large techno events. This will surely result in protest and a decrease in attendance by those who feel that this would constitute "lifestyle policing", and thus violate their cognitive liberty, regardless of the participant's relative discreetness in use and consumption.
Futhermore, I feel that the answer to the medical issues that arrive from drugs, etc., are best dealt with via a harm-reductionist approach. Why are there no MDMA testing booths anywhere at the event?
I understand the concept of self-reliance and relative stupidity, But do any of you really believe that increased law enforcment officers and a "techno gestapo" will either decrease chemical consumption on the playa or improve the overall nature of the event??
The answer, IMHO, to the dilemma of aural camp monotony is twofold-- 1) CREATE a superior camp, and 2) let the people decide what they want. If no one ever comes to your techno camp and/or several people express their annoyance at your musical stagnance or your disrespect for your neighbors, then perhaps YOU SHOULD DO SOMETHING ELSE. Of course, and unfortunately so, many people are too ignorant to care about either of the above.
So are they gonna shut techno-violators down?? Who decides what a violation consists of?
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