WHY I’M NOT GOING BACK TO BURNING MAN

Share your views on the policies, philosophies, and spirit of Burning Man.

Postby SilkenTofu » Mon Oct 04, 2004 8:41 pm

Big trout wrote:Well I'm not going anymore because I couldnt score pussy this year!!


You shouldn't have had expectations of getting "pussy" on the playa this year (kinda goes with the no expectations thing), but in the spirit of radical self reliance you could have dropped by Jiffy Lube, we could have met and exceeded your expectations. :twisted:
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Postby mamasaid » Tue Oct 05, 2004 10:49 am

girls cross their legs because they ain't down with what you got to offer. Maybe you should look at your self.
I HOPE you were being sarchastic.

From someone who did get freaky with a really cool boy, I ain't frigid, I just wait for the magic man, one who doesn't expect, but gave me what I wanted to get what he wanted...

All my love and crossed legs to you...
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Postby Kiba » Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:04 pm

Wow. Pardon me for saying Dave, but this reeks of "Wah, I want attention". I doubt you'll be missed.
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Postby Big trout » Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:35 pm

All im saying is there is alot of broads at burning man. You guys can give one simple blow job or something you know??? Is it too much to ask for? As for the "jiffy Lube" guy. I am a equal oppertunist, If you wanna play just ask. I have pleanty of man goo for everyone. "When the bears hungry, He will eat"!
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Postby Tiara » Tue Oct 05, 2004 2:57 pm

Burning Man was better last year. Or not.

These are perennial gripes. As a matter of fact, this thread was started after the event IN 2003
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Postby Rob the Wop » Tue Oct 05, 2004 4:14 pm

Tiara wrote:Burning Man was better last year. Or not.

These are perennial gripes. As a matter of fact, this thread was started after the event IN 2003


I'm pretty sure this thread is revived every year. Or something similiar, since I've joined the BBS in 97. This year, I will admit, a far greater percentage of the truely 'hard core' burners I know are saying that they are done with it.

Me, I'm not going back because of the art. That simple. The ratio of people bringing unique art is going down, and I don't want to take the time and trouble to go back out. There are other, more minor reasons- but that is deifinitely the top dog.
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Postby lazarus » Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:00 pm

I will go back to the Playa. I have just this year discovered the fun and frustration of bulleting boards or forums. Don't know if this is the kind of venue I want to use to express myself. A personal experiment in cyberness.
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Postby TheJudge » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:56 am

Rob the Wop wrote:Me, I'm not going back because of the art. That simple. The ratio of people bringing unique art is going down, and I don't want to take the time and trouble to go back out. There are other, more minor reasons- but that is deifinitely the top dog.


What art did YOU bring?
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Postby Rob the Wop » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:13 am

TheJudge wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:Me, I'm not going back because of the art. That simple. The ratio of people bringing unique art is going down, and I don't want to take the time and trouble to go back out. There are other, more minor reasons- but that is deifinitely the top dog.


What art did YOU bring?


Last year, none. Deliberately. The 'clean slate' idea. I wanted to be like the new breed of Burners.

EVERY other year (except my first), I would spend a minimum of a month on a project to put up in whatever theme camp I was in. 03' I was part of CarnEvil and created 75% of the 'funhouse' via airbursh on canvas with 'stained glass' windows.

So what art did YOU bring last year, oh more-burner-than-thou?

I got the idea in 97' (first year) and helped out three camps on playa with their art projects. 98' was the Postal Abode, a 9-hole miniature golf course, and a life sized flaming sheep catapult setup. So I understood right from the beginning what a 'participant' was. Or used to be.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Oct 06, 2004 11:36 am

The art was down, but what were the factors involved?

Was it because the Bmorg didn't give out enough Grants or money?

I believe it was due to the vandalism and theft related to the 2002 burn. Why would someone create expensive art only to have someone steal, distroy or burn it on them.

But one think that I didn't see was the spirit of burning man was gone or diminished.

I was reborn because I got to camp next to a virgin that was just overflowing with the excitment of the event- too much though because his was so burnt out by the time of the burn that he slept though it missing the Saturday night even though I had warned him that if he had kept up his extreme partying all week that He wouldn't have enough energy to make it to the burn.

But I'm going back and so I hope that Rob does too.

So far 2002 was the best year of art and this year was the worst with next year being much better- I hope!

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Postby TheJudge » Thu Oct 07, 2004 7:48 am

Rob the Wop wrote:
TheJudge wrote:
Rob the Wop wrote:Me, I'm not going back because of the art. That simple. The ratio of people bringing unique art is going down, and I don't want to take the time and trouble to go back out. There are other, more minor reasons- but that is deifinitely the top dog.


What art did YOU bring?


Last year, none. Deliberately. The 'clean slate' idea. I wanted to be like the new breed of Burners.


You mean you were a spectator: a neophyte who expects someone else to do the dirty work, thinks the whole event is put on for their own personal amusement and takes no responsibility for their own misguided, ill-conceived, drug-induced actions.

Rob the Wop wrote:EVERY other year (except my first), I would spend a minimum of a month on a project to put up in whatever theme camp I was in. 03' I was part of CarnEvil and created 75% of the 'funhouse' via airbursh on canvas with 'stained glass' windows.

So what art did YOU bring last year, oh more-burner-than-thou?


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Postby Rob the Wop » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:25 am

TheJudge wrote:You mean you were a spectator: a neophyte who expects someone else to do the dirty work, thinks the whole event is put on for their own personal amusement and takes no responsibility for their own misguided, ill-conceived, drug-induced actions.


Yup. And fucking loved it too. BTW, doing a little hard work for a desert party doesn't make you Mother Teresa.
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Postby TheJudge » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:31 am

Rob the Wop wrote: BTW, doing a little hard work for a desert party doesn't make you Mother Teresa.


No, and bitching about the lack of art or how the city didnt meet your expectations when you did nothing to contribute to it doenst make you much of a burner, either.
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Postby TheJudge » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:32 am

TheJudge wrote:No, and bitching about the lack of art or how the city didnt meet your expectations when you did nothing to contribute to it doenst make you much of a burner, either.



Whatever the fuck a "burner" is.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:44 am

Stop it, stop it, STOP IT!
You're each entitled to your own experience of the event. Each of you has done a lot of work for it. Each of you has had your life changed by it. And I don't care if Rob the Wob never attends another burner event for the rest of his life. He's welcome on the e-playa and he's paid his f*ckin dues. This silly p#ssing contest is over. Tisha2 won.




(Unless it was Woodrow, but I can never be impartiall about that.)
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Postby Rob the Wop » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:48 am

Pretty sure a burner is part of a race car. No idea why anyone would want to bring that many race cars into the desert.
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Postby Rob the Wop » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:37 am

A burner might also be a Micheal Jackson impersonator, circa 1984.
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Postby Big trout » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:56 am

Yeah quite your bitching!


Did anyone score this year?? I want the details.
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Postby stuart » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:06 pm

everyone is entitled to my opinion too
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Postby TheJudge » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:08 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:Stop it, stop it, STOP IT!
You're each entitled to your own experience of the event. Each of you has done a lot of work for it. Each of you has had your life changed by it. And I don't care if Rob the Wob never attends another burner event for the rest of his life. He's welcome on the e-playa and he's paid his f*ckin dues.


Not the point. This is a participatory event. If you dont like the way the city looks, or if you dont like the amount of art in it, do something about it or shut the fuck up.

No offense to Rob the Wop, whom I know has worked his ass off out there.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:09 pm

>plonk<
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Postby geekster » Thu Oct 07, 2004 12:45 pm

Rob the Wop wrote:Me, I'm not going back because of the art. That simple. The ratio of people bringing unique art is going down, and I don't want to take the time and trouble to go back out. There are other, more minor reasons- but that is deifinitely the top dog.


I can't help but wonder of that was due to the dot-bomb going off in the bay area. From about 96 to, oh, 2000 some of the most creative people in the world were being drawn to the SF Bay area like bugs to a lamp. I would say about 2/3 of my friends that were really into BM have left the area and don't go anymore. Most have moved to the East coast. A couple of my friends still go, but the few that are left around here got hammered so badly when the bubble burst, they can't afford either the expense of getting things together or of taking the time off work.

In my particular case, I started working at least one day a week back in May getting ready. By July, it went to 2 days a week and in August every bit of spare time that I had was going into BM stuff. Next year is probably going to be a major effort for me and will probably be even more time consuming and expensive.

As for art, I am going to try to get art out there from people who can't go. I even want my KIDS to make some art for me to take. I know a couple of people that are really into metal art and am going to offer to take some of their work out there.

And the stuff we talked about getting the newbies involved with making some art is going to help down the line, I think. I can understand your frustration. What would it take to get you and the others back? Personally, I like having more of the seasoned burners out there.
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Postby Rob the Wop » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:40 pm

geekster wrote: Next year is probably going to be a major effort for me and will probably be even more time consuming and expensive.


Yup, I'm on the tribe list and starting beginning of next year- I'll start helping out on the Virgin Parade/Forced Art Camp. I just have my hands full currently with two Caco events and the TriSantaCon til then. I'll also contribute some art supplies and such.

I think the idea of changing the preception of BM in the minds of the 'virgin' burners will go a long way towards 'rerouting' the event to it's previous individual artistic expressionism. More of a constructive way of addressing the problem than whining on a BBS.

Though that's kinda fun too.
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Postby Simply Joel » Thu Oct 07, 2004 3:43 pm

this is a shameless plug for myself...

http://chicago.tribe.net/home?r=10659
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:26 pm

That link was useless to me, Joel. I had to log in, then it threw me to my tribe homepage and finally I had to search for Joels in illinois. When I saw a picture of Stuart I figured that was you. Oh yeah, I recognize that pic of you as well. . .
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Postby Bitterman » Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:05 am

Shiit buddy! You should come to Reno, during the week of Burning Man, and go to the Rib Cook Off in Sparks. Gitcherself a room at the Silver something-er-other casino and go to the frickin' Rib Cook off! You'll have a great time. Or wait a minute...I got it...you could go out to the Black Rock some other time and make yer own event, ya know, git some friends and some hooch and some fire works and some music and party it DOWN! That's what I'm doin' this year, yup, makin' my own damn event.
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Postby spectabillis » Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:40 am

Bitterman wrote:That's what I'm doin' this year, yup, makin' my own damn event.


woo-hoo, yay.
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Postby Honey » Sun Oct 24, 2004 10:20 am

The fact that these post are here tell it all! Everyone has a diffrent bitch about something. And all the die hards are saying the same thing "dont come back if you dont like it." Well guess what die hards, I dont know anybody thats going back, so the place is all yours. You can keep going till the org. has you paying to sit in grandstands with your hands in your pockets.
Why am I pisstd and let down? Because I'm one of the small bussiness operators that helptd when thay needed it.
I love alot of the people that I met over the years but were looking forward to gathering elesewhere this year.

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Postby Badger » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:00 pm

I guess i just never bought into the bigger-and-more-expensive-equates to better-thing. One of the best and funniest pieces of art I ever encountered on the playa was the 5 gallon jug of free mayonaise that sat in the open sun for days.

The idea behind it was fucking brilliant.
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Postby Bitterman » Sun Oct 24, 2004 9:45 pm

Hey! This ain't my thread, why dis Spectbillis Morresy lookin' mother F-er Bustin my Balls? Sup wid dat? huh?
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