bigdave wrote:Barbie Death Camp must be the height of playa creativity. Middle-aged men pandering to “curvy” chicks who think someone finally understands how Barbie caused them to be neurotic, insecure, bulemic and bloated. I’ve always blamed Ken for the fact that I’m fat & ugly.
The kooky Left loves a good conspiracy… maybe BM is an event cooked up by rich capitalists, the Rothschilds, Masons, Skull & Bones, the World Bank, IMF, Bechtel, Texaco, Dick Cheney, Bill Gates, and the New World Order.
genghis wrote:You forgot the rest of the Pentavaret. In addition to the Rothschilds, The Penavaret consists of The Queen, the Vatican, the Gettys, and Colonel Sanders before he went tets-up...
Isotopia wrote:I find it tough to buy into the idea that we do it (or should do it) out of environmental or ecological necessity.
stuart scanlon wrote:I had one very infuriating experience regarding 'playanazis' this year. Was in a big village for the first time and as a result was getting the lecture about grey water evap ponds, yadda. So it is the saturday before the man burns and I am having fun tooling around on my bike and looking at all the works in progress. I see this nicely built post and beam structure near center camp and get off my bike to have a closer look. On the playa I see heaps of wood shavings, saw dust, etc. and all manner of metal fasteners. No, it was not on tarps. A bit of other kinds of moop around, but admittedly not much, mostly just the construction refuse. On further inspection, it turns out this was the earth guardians camp. Fucking practive what you fucking preach!
I can understand your environmental concerns. I'm not an expert on the clean up efforts or how damaging certain things are to the Playa, but really, if we were f**king it up, surely the event wouldn't be allowed to happen there again?
As for your comments on astology, I think they're completely uncalled for. We all have our own beliefs, sure, but I like to listen to other theories, beliefs and points of view with an open mind. Perhaps you should try it too!
bigdave wrote:I don't have the data to know exactly how BM impacts the environment. That's the regulator's job and quite a task, I would think. Maybe BLM is incompetent. Maybe BM does a good enough job. Maybe money overrides certain enviro concerns. Maybe it doesn't matter- it is a remote desert, after all. My point was to show the hypocrisy of enviros who support the event but then get anal over gray water.
Fair enough.. but I see it as people trying to minimise the damage to the environment as best they can. I'm guessing they want to try and cover all possible areas of environmental damage instead of leaving huge gaps.
Ever seen a rigorous review of astrology? I've listened to so many theories with "open mind" that it's forged me into a skeptic and critical thinker. Don't have such an open mind that your brains fall out.
Ever go to a movie theater and see all the crap left behind in one sitting?
How about a Nascar Race? trash cans everywhere and still you can not step three feet without touching an empty nacho dish or beer cup...
The respect from the people of this event for the playa is astounding.
As for the sacred dust in your precious nose - wear a mask....
the smoke and ash? ever been to LA?
pee on the playa? it evaporates....as does the water....soap, tomato sauce, oil, tranie fluid, burn scars....yes...maybe....
ever feel the wind? MOTHER EARTH will heal.......
bigdave wrote:I don't have the data to know exactly how BM impacts the environment. That's the regulator's job and quite a task, I would think.
bigdave wrote:Maybe BLM is incompetent. Maybe BM does a good enough job. Maybe money overrides certain enviro concerns. Maybe it doesn't matter- it is a remote desert, after all.
bigdave wrote:My point was to show the hypocrisy of enviros who support the event but then get anal over gray water.
A 'local' bm opponent complained about the potential of oil and other fluid leaks from all of these vehicles. They charged that in excess of 100 gallons of toxics would leak onto the playa and infiltrate to groundwater.
In reality, of course, this was just an attempt to shut down the event over idealogical concerns, but the BLM was forced to respond.
In 2001 (I believe) the BLM did extensive sampling and determined that about 30 gallons of automobile fluids were dripping onto the playa. They further found that this discharge posed no material threat to anything.
The bmorg went the extra mile in promoting tarps and 'car condoms' for those who know they have leaky vehicles. The theory is that the vast majority of that rather minor leakage comes from relatively few vehicles.
It sounds like you were annoyed at having to follow some rules and finding it wasn't okay to treat the "remote desert" as a trash can.