Teachers -Left out in the cold

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby FIGJAM » Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:45 pm

5280MeV wrote:Hey guys - I think that we can do this!

Put a DJ in a dark soundproof box. The output of the decks will be digitized and sent to a lab where a photon can be emitted into a Mach-Zehnder interferometer scheme as described in http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.1895v1.pdf. These bits of information can be measured in an interaction-free way, and then sent to a soundsystem back on the playa. There may be some degradation of sound quality due to probabilistic imprecision of the interaction-free measurement.

People can then go to the theme camp and dance without interacting.


You're speaking in technical, but I'm listening in laymen, so I can't understand you. 8)
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby A-RockLeFrench » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:10 pm

BBadger wrote:
I think you're comparing apples and oranges here.


It's not a question of comparison. How Burning Man compares to education isn't really what we're attempting to look at here. Integration is the issue. What principles and practices can we take from Burning Man and integrate them into a holistic approach to education. Why, and how?

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This again? That concept is only "fundamental" to the culture of Burning Man only as a means of labeling certain people "participants" and others only "spectators." It's a burnier-than-thou concept. Otherwise, the distinction is completely faulty.


I couldn't disagree more. The 'concept' of spectator vs. participant forms the foundation of the Principles of the event (especially the ninth) written by the founder of the event. Now, there is the argument that we each get to define our own burn, but now I'm talking specifically about what the guy who created the event and developed the identity of TTID has said:

Our community is committed to a radically participatory ethic. We believe that trans-formative change, whether in the individual or in society, can occur only through the medium of deeply personal participation. We achieve being through doing. Everyone is invited to work. Everyone is invited to play. We make the world real through actions that open the heart.


That, I would say is a concept fundamental to the event. Of course, it can be used to label others in a "burnier-than-thou" fashion, but I don't think that's what Larry had in mind when he wrote that.

Another thing I think is important when dealing with fundamental values is to keep in mind the paradox. Fundamental sets of values, theories and dogma usually have paradox all over the place. Understanding, or at least rcognizing the paradoxes inherent in the ideas that drive our behavior and compose belief systems can reveal a great deal of insight into many areas, education being one.


Captain Goddammit wrote:I hope writing posts that long and tedious are very therapeutic for the authors.


Therapeutic? I can only speak for myself but I find that sometimes engaging in conversations that require writing long and tedious responses, and then the reading of long and tedious responses that challenge my point of view are, well challenging and mentally stimulating.

Some people watch documentaries and some people watch football. There's plenty of other threads around that are full of short, concise and easily comprehend-able conversations. Maybe educational philosophy just isn't for you, but I do appreciate your extensive knowledge when it comes to cars.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby aserendipity » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:35 pm

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:36 pm

FIGJAM wrote:
5280MeV wrote:Hey guys - I think that we can do this!

Put a DJ in a dark soundproof box. The output of the decks will be digitized and sent to a lab where a photon can be emitted into a Mach-Zehnder interferometer scheme as described in http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.1895v1.pdf. These bits of information can be measured in an interaction-free way, and then sent to a soundsystem back on the playa. There may be some degradation of sound quality due to probabilistic imprecision of the interaction-free measurement.

People can then go to the theme camp and dance without interacting.


You're speaking in technical, but I'm listening in laymen, so I can't understand you. 8)

Ah, and I hear in "just sorta know what all that high-powered physics speak means, and this is funny". Should I start bragging about my physics connections?
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby aserendipity » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:40 pm

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Apr 28, 2014 7:48 pm

I didn't think so.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby some seeing eye » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:53 pm

5280MeV wrote:
Hey guys - I think that we can do this!

Put a DJ in a dark soundproof box. The output of the decks will be digitized and sent to a lab where a photon can be emitted into a Mach-Zehnder interferometer scheme as described in http://arxiv.org/pdf/1004.1895v1.pdf. These bits of information can be measured in an interaction-free way, and then sent to a sound system back on the playa.


Are you saying that all the information in a DJ performance can be encoded in a single photon, then recovered?

Hmm...
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby Captain Goddammit » Mon Apr 28, 2014 8:58 pm

Yes... when people write eleventy zillion pages of drivel then blame the poor readers for the authors lack of ability to sit through it, the fun and interest has gone.

Let's talk about something more relevant to the issues in Black Rock City. Eric, how do you manage to always look SO fancy in the playa?
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby some seeing eye » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:08 pm

I'm enjoying the debate. Long thoughtful posts are A-OK.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby Eric » Mon Apr 28, 2014 10:25 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:Let's talk about something more relevant to the issues in Black Rock City. Eric, how do you manage to always look SO fancy in the playa?


I wear the same clothes there that I'd wear at home for a nice event (other than the shoes & hats), and it's what I find comfortable. I have gotten better - I don't dry-clean everything before the playa anymore, just after...
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby *Kat* » Mon Apr 28, 2014 11:24 pm

Once again I am astounded at the abundance of snide that is so generously endowed upon the citizen of eplaya. I wish we could use it as an alternative energy source – a lot of the world's problems might be solved instantly! :D


This thread is about education. Nobody forces you to read or comment. If you don't give a damn about education, you are completely entitled to that. If you don't understand it, nobody will think any worse of you. If it's too long for you, you can just walk away.

Teachers, however, or anyone who is interested in education, might actually get something out of this. There are amazingly many similarities between why people have a good time on the playa and why kids have a good time in an open education classroom. It's a topic that might really be worth exploring.


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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby A-RockLeFrench » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:57 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Yes... when people write eleventy zillion pages of drivel then blame the poor readers for the authors lack of ability to sit through it, the fun and interest has gone.

Let's talk about something more relevant to the issues in Black Rock City. Eric, how do you manage to always look SO fancy in the playa?
I wish I was the same size, I'd raid your wardrobe!


Eleventy zillion isn't even a real number!

And you're the one who can't seem to sit through it... How many threads already exist dealing with the topic of costumery or asking Eric silly questions? Quite a few... I have an idea for you! Spend your time there.

*Kat* wrote:Once again I am astounded at the abundance of snide that is so generously endowed upon the citizen of eplaya. I wish we could use it as an alternative energy source – a lot of the world's problems might be solved instantly! :D


This thread is about education. Nobody forces you to read or comment. If you don't give a damn about education, you are completely entitled to that. If you don't understand it, nobody will think any worse of you. If it's too long for you, you can just walk away.


Snide = Snark. It's something these guys are really proud of.

some seeing eye wrote:I'm enjoying the debate. Long thoughtful posts are A-OK.


See! Someone is enjoying it. So there.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby aserendipity » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:48 am

OMG

"Open education"
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have you considered the possibility that it is you trying to learn about teaching

I read your shit because I believe in the ones I teach
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby remi » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:31 am

This has been a great read. I can only dream of Bbadger and Lefrench meet each other at Thunder Dome while I'm there.
Can you at least admit that nuclear explosions are awesome!?
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby tamarakay » Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:50 am

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:10 pm

[With climate change] Teachers [are being] -Left out in the cool.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby Jovankat » Tue Apr 29, 2014 12:25 pm

I <3 this thread for so many reasons :!:
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby 5280MeV » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:11 pm

If we trap the DJ in a high-finesse optical cavity with a low enough temperature, we can place the DJ into a quantum superposition of states!
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby Captain Goddammit » Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:19 pm

Yeah yeah I know I left a god damn typo in my post, I was editing it and got distracted by something else... but you know what I meant.

And "eleventy zillion" is just a halfway humorous intentional exaggeration, of course it's not a real number.

The post by the hairy-pitted U.S. bashing superior-race German that was so annoyingly long was an excessive amount of boring blather polluting the thread.
Those drawn out point by point retorts are nothing but petty semantic shit.
Even if you use correct spelling and punctuation and proper grammar, you're not an effective communicator if you can't get your point across without boring everyone to sleep!
That doesn't make me against education. That makes me against people getting this ridiculous about the meaning and impact of some stupid kindergarten "teachers" being part of BRC.

As far as I'm concerned, kids shouldn't be at Burning Man. But that argument has been had, and I lose because Larry is on the other side, and it's his party. That's the deal.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby gaminwench » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:34 pm

Teacher here.
Public High School; USA
hairy-pitted. :twisted:

My experiences in BRC over the last 15 years have undoubtedly colored my teaching, my students' cultural/societal/creative beings, and their parents' (and administration's) boundaries.
All for the better.

I'm thoroughly enjoying this discussion.
I propose that we consider differentiating between spectator and audience.

As both a performer and an educator (in my world) these are not the same at all.

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby burner von braun » Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:53 pm

5280MeV wrote:If we trap the DJ in a high-finesse optical cavity with a low enough temperature, we can place the DJ into a quantum superposition of states!


hmmm.. so just how many DJs can we fit in there anyway?
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby aserendipity » Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:37 pm

Capt..you know you love kindergarten teachers

sometimes when you like what we're talking about you even become one

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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby *Kat* » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:12 pm

Tamara, that was brilliant!

We ought to imitate this on the playa:

[media]



I hear the captain's got a boat we can use. :mrgreen:
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby gaminwench » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:21 pm

we're gonna need some megaphones.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby tamarakay » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:41 am

I would love to hear gaminwench sing any where anytime. But trust me guys, I sound more like a horse bellowing. I'll be the director lol
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby GreyCoyote » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:00 am

As long as we are planning to rewire some physics experiments, I propose we swap Schrödinger's cat with a DJ. :mrgreen:

The notion here is this experiment could then be run on the playa without any fear of running out of test subjects, or of possible harrassment by animal rights groups. :mrgreen:
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby MyDearFriend » Mon May 26, 2014 2:28 pm

But if we never open the box, that DJ will never stop spinning. And that would be unacceptable. :?

Whatdafuck, though, if anyone remembers the original question, who decided that moving the autumn start date for schools up to August was a good idea? Plane-loads of foreign workers fly in here every year to take the summer jobs local students can't get because they can't work through Labor Day. And half the schools around here have to cancel classes that first week anyway because their AC can't handle the heat that time of year, not in those prison-like boxes they build for schools.

This has never made any sense to me. I could not drink that brand of kool-aid for any amount of money.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon May 26, 2014 3:49 pm

Face it. American schools are horrible prisons where they drain the life out of small children and make them into drones.

Cause 'Merka!

And when they grow up, they can go to real prisons, and have hope and humanity drained out as well.
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby MyDearFriend » Mon May 26, 2014 9:07 pm

But they will be taught lucrative skills, Fishy! And get some really scary tattoos! At a taxpayer cost of way too much money... :| :| :| :|
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Re: Teachers -Left out in the cold

Postby aserendipity » Mon May 26, 2014 10:19 pm

and their teachers will have done their best to be there now
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