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Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby wylbur » Sat May 04, 2013 10:48 am

Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

5. Ravers keep us young. The people who build most of the city are well into their 30s, many in their 40s, 50s, and 60s; I'm approximately 50. The ravers are way younger than the rest of us.

4. Ravers keep us beautiful. I spend months building (what I think is) mind-blowing stuff and useful infrastructure. But I'm a potbellied, furry, middle-aged guy, and I'm under no illusions: I'm not bringing Teh Sexy. Fer sher, there are some really beautiful middle-aged Burners. But it's a lot easier --and more common-- to be beautiful when you're young. Getting a good flow of well-costumed, beautiful young Burners adds a layer of fabulousness that I relish.

3. Ravers keep us up all night. Without the madness of their sound camps playing well-attended sunrise sets, I can easily imagine BM becoming a precious art faire where everyone goes sleepy-bye at 11. I don't Burn to rest up.

2. Ravers give us a huge audience. I've really enjoyed showing the stuff I've built to young Burners on the playa, and they've been appreciative. Maybe some of them even got inspired to build their own stuff next year.

1. Ravers keep us crazy. I ask you: what would BM be if the sex and drugs didn't show up? I think BM could be in danger of becoming as silly and harmless as BayCon. As much as we want to be part of an underground event, we old people aren't bringing the crazy. (go ahead, kid yourselves, I'm listening)

Look, I know ravers are moop-tastrophes, and they have terrible potty etiquette[*]. I get as sick as anyone of the frat boy/sparkle pony behavior, and I know that most of the ravers take more than they give back. But yanno, I didn't buy the "maker-taker" dichotomy when Mitt Romney tried to sell it, and I don't buy it now. We need the ravers, and they need us.

Anyway, this came out of several wee-hours conversations I had at Central Camp last year. So I say: rave on, raver kidz!

* it has often occurred to me that "radical self-reliance" could mean that every Burner would have to do a shift cleaning the potties. If so, the event would change.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Eric » Sat May 04, 2013 11:49 am

5. I'm kept quite young without ever going near a raver. I live my life without worrying about the number attached to my birthday, and it's amazing how much fun you can have when you let that number go. I think I look my age - almost 50, but I'm regularly assumed to be in my late 30's when I'm out clubbing, which is a lot, since I shoot a club every Saturday night. Doesn't matter if people think I look older than I am, the point is that I'm not living my life for them, I'm living it for me.

4. Ravers keep themselves "beautiful",not us (if that's the standard you want to adhere to), and give you something to look at. I love looking at the young, pretty boys - doesn't mean I hold my own self worth to be based on what someone else looks like. I think I look good (and I fit your description of yourself), that attitude carries into my interactions with people. I regularly have ... companions ... 20+ years younger than me, they're attracted to me as much as I am to them. Don't devalue your own beauty.

3. I stay up all night regularly. I work for a night-club, and don't go to bed until somewhere between 3 - 8am on weekends (depending on how good the afterparty is). I don't need some snot-nosed sparkle-pony bouncing around to bad music to keep me awake - I'd prefer something a little more interesting. My whole camp (all 30+) is up until 4 or 5am at the Burn, no ravers involved - all they add is painful background noise.

2. We don't need a huge audience, we don't want an "audience" at all. We need participants, not people who are just here to blindly worship at a wall of speakers while trashing the place. As you yourself stated "Look, I know ravers are moop-tastrophes, and they have terrible potty etiquette" - why do we want more people who bring that?

1. I live my life crazier than any 20 ravers you could choose at random, and I always have. Most of the people who attend are the "crazy neighbor who builds weird shit" in real-life. We're the creatives, the inventors, the artists, the writers, the dreamers. We party harder & live life fuller than some little twink who's version of "crazy" is wearing the same Burners-R-Us fake-fur leggings & cowboy hats as every other raver one week a year, while hoping no-one in the office finds out what they did. My look is permanent (at least until I decide to shave it off) - I can't take off my particolored bob wig and go to work at the dot.com, I live every day walking down the street looking different than the majority of people, even in SF. I know people on the playa in my age group who could party a camp-full of ravers under the table, and then go out looking for more.

You may build mind-blowing stuff, but you have a skewed vision of reality. Stop pining for your "lost youth", start living your life for the now. If the Burn had taught you anything, it should be that the "potbellied, furry, middle-aged guy"s kick ass, as do the "middle-aged, sagging, women". I love petting the cute ones as much as the next person, doesn't mean I devalue myself to do it.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Drawingablank » Sat May 04, 2013 12:38 pm

Well said Eric. Especially point #2.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby lemur » Sat May 04, 2013 1:05 pm

fuck ravers.

we dont need them on the playa...

spectating fucktards can dance all year round but they gotta drive hundreds of miles out to the middle of fuckin nowhere to an art event to do so ?

turn that shitty music down and take off those ugly fuckin boots.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby trilobyte » Sat May 04, 2013 2:59 pm

I've been involved as a spectator, participant, performer, and producer in events of nearly every shape and size over the last three decades now (wow, it's been that long?). To me, raves (and ravers) are the bottom (and the bottom-feeders) of the food chain when it comes to the music and the nightlife worlds. I'll do whatever I can to help people achieve next level stuff, but have no interest in (or patience for) those who think being a raver is the be-all and end all, and seek only to glorify the culture. I bear 'em no ill will, but have no love for them either.
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Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Sat May 04, 2013 5:04 pm

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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby H.G.Crosby » Sat May 04, 2013 5:11 pm

they do drop the good drug moop.

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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby wylbur » Sat May 04, 2013 6:09 pm

5. More power to you if you seem younger than your calendar age! But there's a lot of energy in the young-at-birth-cert, and I like that, too. I live my life, and I like to do it around people from a range of ages. I think without a lot of kids --which basically means the ravers-- BM runs a serious risk of becoming precious.

4. Admiring others does not devalue yourself. I am pretty happy with who I am now. But I certainly appreciate what nature has given the young.

3. Sadly, I am a software engineer, one of those dot.com guys you mention. I'm not a clubber, and I pretty much can't stay up all night and feel ok. My camp has regular dawn events, so I'm often waking up at 4 or so to do something. I like getting up to hear the bad music (and sometimes good music). On the few nights I stay up, hearing the very loud music from the sound camps at 2 & 10 roll across the playa to where I'm sitting way out near the trash fence very late while I watch the city glow and fires explode, and occasionally someone bikes by, knowing the city is grooving like mad and feeling that energy come across the desert, well, that's my happy place. When we're hosting yoga (in my previous camp) or offering rehydration at sunrise, I love seeing people coming back through the first hours of the morning, and the biggest group at that time are the ravers. I love the 'round-the-clock feeling on the playa, and I am glad the ravers contribute to it.

2. Participant/audience is a role distinction I slide across many times each day. Sometimes I'm the audience: I watch drummers, fire dancers, and stuff exploding. Other times, I want an audience: to admire some swirly blinky thing I made, to get a little comfort from some piece of infrastructure I engineered, to gawk at the insanely heavy sculptures my campmates hauled out and installed, or just to come get drinks at our camp. Honestly, for my stuff and my campmates' stuff, I find that our audience is more often raver kids than hardcore older Burners, who are sometimes too jaded to care about what we've done. How many times have you heard a long-time Burner dismiss some project with a "oh, yeah, we saw something like that but way better 10 years ago"? I've heard it a lot, about my stuff and others, and it always makes me sad for about a second. I don't care if some people don't like my stuff, but I'm sad for the bad energy that might inhibit someone listening to the critic from building something of her own next year. When you spend weeks, maybe months making something for people to look at and play with, you want someone to delight in it. Do better if you will, ignore it if you aren't impressed, but in any case, uncool to diss it. Me, I'm glad to have fresh eyeballs.

And why do we want people who don't clean up after themselves? They're puppies. I love puppies. They need to be taught, that's all. We call it transformation because people evolve to be better than they started out.

1. I do a lot of inventing (professionally and Burner-ly), and I'm not pining for youth. I am glad to have this conversation exactly in order to say that appreciating others is not the same as wanting to be them. Loving and admiring people different from me has nothing to do with hating myself. I like me, potbellied and all, and I love my equally middle-aged partner. But I still think the raver kids are good for us all. I'm glad you're crazy. I'm not, but I sure like being around crazy in its many flavors, ages, and musical preferences for a dusty week each year.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby lemur » Sat May 04, 2013 6:43 pm

wylbur wrote:How many times have you heard a long-time Burner dismiss some project with a "oh, yeah, we saw something like that but way better 10 years ago"?

I've heard it a lot, about my stuff and others, and it always makes me sad for about a second.

I don't care if some people don't like my stuff, but I'm sad for the bad energy that might inhibit someone listening to the critic from building something of her own next year.

When you spend weeks, maybe months making something for people to look at and play with, you want someone to delight in it. Do better if you will, ignore it if you aren't impressed, but in any case, uncool to diss it. Me, I'm glad to have fresh eyeballs.





but.. are you forgetting burning man is largely an art event ?

one of the most primal reactions we have when encountering art is whether we find it interesting or uninteresting.. and one of the things that people have learned to do over the years is to look at art and critique it, either knowingly, or unknowingly (i.e. not even considering it as art)..to have a personal reaction to it.. one that might be strongly in favor, or against.

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some might find this work highly objectionable, might even diss it.. would that be wrong to do so? Perhaps the artist fully intends this reaction? .... if the artist intended to offend and someone loved it.. is that someone doing the artist wrong? would that be bad energy?

..i think that anyone seriously considering bringing a large art project to the playa, or to display anywhere, is going to have to deal with the fact that art is there and humans will react to it.. theyll be confronted by it and have some reaction.. whether its simply an obstacle in their way as they walk through a place or something that stops them and fills them with delight, or rage.. all seem to be part of what "art" is.

if art was all about flowery praise and keeping quiet if one didnt like a piece, out of concern for bad energy discouraging other artists, it would probably not be worth a damn. In art, of all things, merely accomplishing something isnt an accomplishment in itself.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat May 04, 2013 8:15 pm

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Postby tatonka » Sun May 05, 2013 12:09 am

when I was a kid in wis ( 60's ) we would drive by these covered area's in public parks and people would be polkaing all the time . Pa wouldnt stop , he liked country music and nothing else.

sry dont know much on ravers , just seen thee polka post
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby lemur » Sun May 05, 2013 12:24 am

sry dont know much on ravers , just seen thee polka post


all you need to know about ravers is summed up in this one photograph:

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they got lotsa moop.......
and only 1 of them has enough water.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun May 05, 2013 6:33 am

they hated the flappers too.

and then the swing kids.

and then the be-boppers

and then the rock n rollers

and then the disco set

and then the punks

and then the new wavers








we always hate the youth, now dont we.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Captain Goddammit » Sun May 05, 2013 10:07 am

Five reasons to love hippies on the playa:

1.

.........


........

well there's gotta be something...


OK, 1. They're not ravers.
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Postby unjonharley » Sun May 05, 2013 10:29 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Five reasons to love hippies on the playa:

1.

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........

well there's gotta be something...


OK, 1. They're not ravers.


The Captain is a closet raver..
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Postby knowmad » Sun May 05, 2013 11:18 am

Captain Goddammit wrote:Five reasons to love hippies on the playa:

1.

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........

well there's gotta be something...


OK, 1. They're not ravers.

The hippie-raver hybrid population is huge! teh are listin to Deadstep and ragaStep.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Eric » Sun May 05, 2013 4:42 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:we always hate the youth, now dont we.


Raver ≠ youth.

Raver = raver.

Personally, I love "the youth", but I'm not so fond of people who think the event is only about the large sound camps. I could have a kick-ass time the entire week, partying and playing & staying up all night, even if 2 and 10 disappeared. There's something about people who put us on the same circuit as Bonnaroo & Ibiza that just rubs me the wrong way.
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby lemur » Sun May 05, 2013 5:22 pm

I FOUND A REASON!!!


the more ravers on the playa.. the fewer ravers there are 'out there', in the wild..


perhaps keeping them contained is best
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun May 05, 2013 5:56 pm

Eric wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:we always hate the youth, now dont we.


Raver ≠ youth.

Raver = raver.

Personally, I love "the youth", but I'm not so fond of people who think the event is only about the large sound camps. I could have a kick-ass time the entire week, partying and playing & staying up all night, even if 2 and 10 disappeared. There's something about people who put us on the same circuit as Bonnaroo & Ibiza that just rubs me the wrong way.


i totally agree, but i also wonder what about the Burner who Loves to rave?

are we not Inclusive?

or does that not apply to the Neon Set?

labels is labels...i know the horde, and the herd of which you speak...the world of EDM has gone viciously mainstream and with it, so have the players.



but dont hate the kids...

teach em'....teach em about art and community.

teach em' about mash-ups and other music.

teach em' about shit that goes boom and stuff that burns.

same old story every year, newbs, and hippies and ravers...oh my....

newbs and hippies and ravers, oh my....
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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby Roberto Dobbisano » Sun May 05, 2013 5:58 pm

you forgot the Aussies and the euro-trash....THEY'RE the real scourge...
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Postby H.G.Crosby » Sun May 05, 2013 6:00 pm

i don't consider the irish to be European, do you?


and the israeli's are a problem....they're ALL ravers...
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Sun May 05, 2013 6:05 pm

i think i can boil the OP's 5 points down to a lowest common denominator


he's got a sweet tooth.


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Re: Five reasons to love ravers on the playa

Postby some seeing eye » Sun May 05, 2013 6:35 pm

Welcome to ePlaya Wilbur, looking forward to your continuing posts.

Raver is an even more useless label than burner. No one will self label as raver.

People of all demographics enjoy music at the BM event and enjoy dancing to it.

BM is a business, soon to be a nonprofit business. It needs to attract paying customers, including those you note.

BM participants do not spend time on ePlaya.

Nonetheless, doubt many would disagree with your original post.
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Postby lemur » Sun May 05, 2013 7:03 pm

ive visited eplaya while at burning man..
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Postby International Incident » Sun May 05, 2013 8:59 pm

Roberto Dobbisano wrote:you forgot the Aussies (snip) ..THEY'RE the real scourge...


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Postby DrYes » Sun May 05, 2013 11:45 pm

I turned 40 this year, and I like to rave at Burning Man. You'll often find my wife and I, dressed in full-blown raver gear (with a playa accent, of course) going until dawn. It's the only time of the year I party like that. I don't go to clubs at home. I don't go to EDM festivals. I've seen Skrillex and a couple other modern EDM acts at Bay Area venues, but most of my club-going days were when trance was king in the EDM world, back in the 90s.

Fuck me though, I love Burning Man. There is nothing like dancing in the desert. The most epic indoor club in the world pales in comparison to the point that I can't go to indoor clubs anymore except ironically, which is to say essentially never. It's all plastic commercial bullshit until you get out onto the playa and hit Robot Heart at dawn or OT at 2 am.

I realize many of the eplaya residents dislike the raver culture out there, not all of us/most of us are the "Brochella" types. I also don't identify with 'raver' culture (something to do with being 40 maybe, I dunno). I just love the energy of EDM out there. Burning Man re-awakened a gut-level appreciation of music for me that I think I'd been missing. I love EDM. I think it's the best stuff in the genre are helping to define what popular music is to a new generation of human beings.
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Postby maladroit » Mon May 06, 2013 4:14 pm

Burners and Ravers are part of the same ecosystem. It's like reverse metamorphosis. They start as the pretty butterfly, flitting about with nothing to do and not a care in the world. Over time, they go into a cocoon and come out as a stodgy caterpillar, rummaging around in the dirt and eating constantly.
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Postby lemur » Mon May 06, 2013 4:20 pm

DrYes wrote: It's all plastic commercial bullshit until you get out onto the playa and hit Robot Heart at dawn or OT at 2 am.


oh no.

i predict burning man 2013 will be very plastic and commercial!
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Postby unjonharley » Mon May 06, 2013 5:01 pm

lemur wrote:
DrYes wrote: It's all plastic commercial bullshit until you get out onto the playa and hit Robot Heart at dawn or OT at 2 am.


oh no.

i predict burning man 2013 will be very plastic and commercial!



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Postby Turtleburp » Mon May 06, 2013 5:18 pm

maladroit wrote:Burners and Ravers are part of the same ecosystem. It's like reverse metamorphosis. They start as the pretty butterfly, flitting about with nothing to do and not a care in the world. Over time, they go into a cocoon and come out as a stodgy caterpillar, rummaging around in the dirt and eating constantly.


Thanks for that I feel so much better in my current podgy stodgy caterpillar shape knowing that it was my destiny - I was never a butterfly though at best a moth...
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