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2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby homo ardentum » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:48 am

Hot off the press! BLM has granted a ONE YEAR permit for 2012. Looks like they want folks to behave before issueing the full 5 year permit.

The proposed action and all recommended mitigation measures have been selected for implementation, subject to the following conditions:

1) The SRP for the 2012 event may only be for a one-year permit, rather than a five-year permit as proposed. Should BRC comply with the terms and conditions of their 2012 permit, issuance of a multi-year permit for 2013-2016 may be considered.

2) The SRP for any year is subject to cancellation or modification during the permit period based upon performance of the permittee, changes in law, regulation or policy, changes in resource conditions, or upon newly available information.

3) Authorization for any event during the 2012-2016 period is subject to a separate SRP decision. Prior to issuance of any year’s SRP decision, a detailed review and evaluation of the previous year’s event will be conducted; as necessary, the special stipulations will be modified (and evaluated under NEPA) to address issues and concerns raised during the previous event or otherwise identified for the applicable year’s event. Additionally, each year’s SRP decision and/or the special stipulations attached thereto will specify the maximum population allowed for that year’s event. The maximum population authorized in any year may not exceed 70,000 participants, as that term is defined in the EA unless the requisite additional NEPA analysis is completed.

In 2012, BRC is required to keep the maximum population from exceeding 60,900 people at any point in time during the event. BLM is also requiring BRC to comply with 13 permit conditions and 50 stipulations. Stipulations relate to matters such as event set-up, signing, security, public safety, resource management, debris removal, fee calculation and payment, and event take-down and clean-up. These stipulations are attached to and made part of the EA decision record and special recreation permit.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:53 am

Do I smell a late release of 3k more tickets?!?
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:55 am

60,900, huh...
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby VultureChow » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:17 am

Actually, if they're smart, they won't release a large amount of new tickets, and surely not enough to get within 1,000 of the limit.

I'd say the overpopulation of last year is the biggest issue BLM had in terms of not granting a 5 year permit. If they come in at or under the permitted size, that would go a long way to getting the approvals they need.

At this point, it seems like much of the fallout in terms of ticketing has already happened. People are finding tickets or making alternate plans. They could quietly feed say 1,500 tickets into STEP and open it up for a few new applicants without making a huge production out of it.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby trilobyte » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:17 am

Giving this a nudge over to Politics and Philosophy, where BLM/permitting discussions usually live.

The change in maximum population (from the initially proposed 58K) was to accommodate a change in the way BLM accounted for staff and support personnel on the playa. There will be no additional tickets going on sale for this year's event.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:26 am

Thanks for the clarification, trilo. Honestly, I was surprised by the figure, not really thinking it would lead to more tickets...
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby VultureChow » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:29 am

2,900. Are there really that many staff and support personnel or does that include vendor passes too? Just curious. It's not that many considering a city population of over 50k, but I guess I didn't realize the manpower that goes into it.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:33 am

My guess is that "staff and support personnel" is a very loose term.


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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:37 am

There's a lot of man power...
I'm not sure how many people that would equal if everyone who worked there were employees working 40 hours. I don't think most volunteers work that many. (Just observing that the number of bodies would probably out number how many there would be if it were a job and not an avocation...)
And, after going over last year... And a lot of staff bought tickets at full price, or maybe discounted rate...
First year volunteers are going to pay full price unless they have a very in demand skill set.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby trilobyte » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:52 am

Support personnel includes all the people involved with outside services as well as city support. The agreed-upon number also likely also factors in some headroom to ensure that the population cap is not exceeded.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby lemur » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:55 am

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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby lemur » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:59 am

who knows when theyll actually open the gates.. but they do say this in the 2012 SRP.. something alluded to in the environmental assessment..


The event would last 192 hours (8 days) starting no earlier than 12 PM on the Sunday that
falls eight days before Labor Day and ending no later than 11 :59 PM on Labor Day. For
2012, the event would officially commence at 6:00 PM on August 26th, the Sunday before
Labor Day, and would end at 6:00 PM on Monday September 3rd, Labor Day
.


this would probably jive with whats happened at least the past 2 years with a 'soft open'.

of course.. youll probably want to see something official before showing up so early.. so uhh. dont plan it just yet! wait for the JRS/official info/twitter feed on the day of gate opening..
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby VultureChow » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:08 am

And I don't think the population limit includes vendors and contractors:

From the SRP: "The maximum authorized population (also referred to as the population cap) at any point in time during the event is 60,900 participants (as per the definition of "participant" in the EA)."

From the EA: "The population includes all attendees of the event, including paid participants and volunteers. The population does not include government person-nel, Humboldt General Hospital emergency service providers, vendors and contractors"

Still can't find "participant" as a defined term, though.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby BBadger » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:02 pm

I wonder how much of that total includes people who sneak in? Isn't it a few thousand by estimates?
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby SquirrelHead » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:12 pm

It would be awesome if they were able to clear out the STEP queue! I know 3 people that would be very happy if they did. :D
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby AntiM » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:36 pm

Is this the year they crack down on those who stay until Tuesday morning? Or those who stay "to clean up" without being an official part of a department/village/theme camp? Have late stay passes similar to early entry?
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby VultureChow » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:43 pm

If anything, I'd think the BLM would want to encourage a gradual exodus. Less stress and congestion on the road. The org would have the bigger issue if it held up their playa restoration, but again, the benefits of a gradual exodus outweigh the drawbacks.

The 2011 permit simply had the dates, Sunday through Monday, with no times. It seems more like a change in their legal policy to stipulate times on their permits than to crack down on exodus procedures.

Could be wrong though.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby Boijoy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:57 pm

interesting topic. I wonder if they consider the numbers of participants who leave early? I'm part of the set up crew at our camp & I leave either Friday or Sat. morning before the burn. I've never seen anyone make note of my departure.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:55 pm

Boijoy wrote:interesting topic. I wonder if they consider the numbers of participants who leave early? I'm part of the set up crew at our camp & I leave either Friday or Sat. morning before the burn. I've never seen anyone make note of my departure.

They keep a running total. Somehow.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:56 pm

VultureChow wrote:If anything, I'd think the BLM would want to encourage a gradual exodus. Less stress and congestion on the road. The org would have the bigger issue if it held up their playa restoration, but again, the benefits of a gradual exodus outweigh the drawbacks.

I think that someone was encouraging this on this various board. But I've completely forgotten if it was with or without the aegis of the llc.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby Boijoy » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:01 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Boijoy wrote:interesting topic. I wonder if they consider the numbers of participants who leave early? I'm part of the set up crew at our camp & I leave either Friday or Sat. morning before the burn. I've never seen anyone make note of my departure.

They keep a running total. Somehow.


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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:03 pm

Well, they know the check in from the ticket stubs.
I guess they do stop and talk to people on the way out, ask if they want ot pay the re-entry.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby lemur » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:05 pm

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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby BBadger » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:30 pm

I think they also have video cameras watching the gate 24/7 too. They probably just estimate how many people enter from the number of cars. Figure that 3 people average per car, 5 people per RV, etc. Hell, the number of cars might even be the more useful metric than people.
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

Postby trilobyte » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:50 pm

As I understand it, the number and type of vehicles is tracked. Plus if I remember correctly from the Environmental Assessment, there are plans to conduct a new oil drip analysis either this year or next year (or maybe both years).
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Re: 2012 BLM Permit issued

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