eb0502 wrote:retropsycho wrote:Theme Camp Forum #2 - with Plug 'n' Play as the very first topic
Part 1: https://www.fuzemeeting.com/replay_meet ... e9/2318101
Part 2: https://www.fuzemeeting.com/replay_meet ... e9/2318153
thank you for these..eb0502 wrote:i got as far as the 11th minute - when the question was asked
"would they not come if they weren't catered to?" ------ "no, they wouldn't"
then the person being asked blamed them on being debutantes.....
does that not just say it all?
You might want to listen past 11 minutes. Listen to the person from the Trojan Horse project talk about how they invited their wealthier friends to camp with them for fees, to support art.
Hope everyone caught the beginning when Harley said the Org has no interest in supporting a purely "Adventure Travel" outfit from the outside just using the even to line their coffers? Transformation at Burning Man can happen for the high net worth Burners too, but it's harder when they are catered to, no doubt. This is the point of starting the conversation. The rich will always be with us. No tickets or Placement for camps that are not interactive, giving to the community.eb0502 wrote:are they ready for burningman?
Less than some, sure. Are Green Tortoise Tour folks ready for Burning Man?eb0502 wrote:are they ready to be radically self reliant?
No.eb0502 wrote:are they ready for a transitional phase period?
It will be harder, but yes, high net worth Burners have returned to the default world and made positive changes.eb0502 wrote:or as previously mentioned "they're having a paid vacation where there happens to be cool art and cool people"?
No interest in supporting that.eb0502 wrote:im pretty sure im not alone in saying this, but debutantes don't need to recreate the wheel on their first year, enough reading, enough planning and normal cognitive problem solving will get anyone through the week swimmingly, i really fail to see why their hand held is a deciding factor???
Agreed. But honestly, high net worth folks don't live their lives as we do. Not spending the time to prepare as we do isn't optimal, but they're coming, so we need to steer them to the best practices as much as we can. The transformation can begin with a realization that they 'did it wrong' year one, and when they return next year they want to contribute more than just $$$$, maybe consider a tent or yurt over a RV.eb0502 wrote:my virgin year was 2010 - so its not like im a snarking old timer or anything
Inko Gnito wrote:TomServo wrote:
Sorry for the wise assery, but: "BARON BON ANGST GEFÜLT JUGEND" is just wrong. Like "i can has cheesburger" without the cute.
"Von Angst erfüllte Jugend" --> angst-ridden youth /fearful youth
"Von angst erfüllter Jugendlicher" --> angst-ridden teenager / fearful teenager
So: Baron angst-ridden youth? No - right?
How about: "Schutzsuchender Neuling" --> refuge seeking apprentice
Feel free to consult this german with his internet translation tools for immaculate slogans at any time.
TomServo wrote: um...yeah I guess that's playadeutsch.
TomServo wrote:Nicht den Boten erschießen.
BeachBum wrote: But, for the persons who snarked this gentleman, ask yourself, "What have you created in your own life which compares to what he has created and the people he has employed in doing so?"
Trishntek wrote:After making an inquiry about a theme camp RAFFLING a BM2012 TICKET to raise funds, I discover this is actually a tradition with some camps who have been doing it for years. This particular ticket being raffled was not obtained via the Directed Allotment.
How does anyone feel about raffling tickets for the purpose of fund raising?
TomServo wrote:BeachBum wrote: But, for the persons who snarked this gentleman, ask yourself, "What have you created in your own life which compares to what he has created and the people he has employed in doing so?"
I helped create another human life. Am I worthy now?
Trishntek wrote:Long ago I sponsored a contest in a youth group for teenagers who wanted to go to a concert. The contest basically required them to fulfill certain participatory obligations for the reward of transportation and tickets to the concert.
One of the lazy members of the group decided to not fulfill the requirements and simply buy her own ticket and pay her share of gas to go to the concert. So she went and enjoyed everything the contest "winners" did. Prior to the concert, it was put to a vote of the successful contestants whether she should be allowed to join us.
They unanimously voted yes and it all went along without incident. But for the genuine contestants, they actually participated and were stronger for the exercise of the contest. For the lazy one, she gained the enjoyment of a concert. I would like to think the contestants received the greater blessing and learned something out of the experience. Is the lazy one a better or stronger individual for taking the shortcut? I think not.
I share this only because my own feelings were to exclude the lazy one from enjoying the fruits of others' labors. By the gracious inclusiveness exercised by the contestants, she was allowed to enjoy the reward. Nobody to this day can ever convince me she was a participant but only learned she can buy the rewards of participation without actually participating.
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