curiousgnate wrote:still think you are over thinking this. the wait could maybe be reduced by a little bit 30 min. why bother. you gonna volunteer for gate? not a biggie!
bradtem wrote:Every year at this time we moan about the huge exodus wait some of us got, but perhaps more can be done about the lines that sometimes arise at the gate to get in. I have always found it disappointing that for many, the first experience at Burning Man is to be treated like a potential cheat to be searched for stowaways, and worse, it can make a large wait to get in. Gate crew work hard and in harsh conditions but might there be a way to get it done faster?
The simplest thing I can think of is to switch to random inspections. In the past, there was almost no penalty for trying to sneak in. When they caught you, they just made you buy a ticket, and if you were polite you paid only a small stupidity tax. Little reason not to try. That changed with the sell-out and now if you were caught your whole vehicle, including the people in it who paid for tickets got turned away and got no Burning Man. This caused a serious drop, I am told, in the number of attempted sneak-ins, and so you would expect.
I think searching 1 vehicle in 4, or frankly even 1 in 10 would do almost the same job. After all the cost and effort to get to the playa, would you take even a 1 in 10 chance that your tickets would be confiscated and your vehicle turned around just to let somebody try to sneak in? Even those who are randomly selected for search would face a shorter ride onto the playa because there are only 1/10th the cars in the line, even if the search was twice as long per car to be more thorough.
Another proposal: Car tickets. Let people buy a ticket that is good for all the occupants of a car, costing about 4.5x the cost of a regular ticket, and valid for any traditional sized 4-5 seat car, but a different class of ticket would be needed for minivans/suvs and so on. RVs probably could not use this except at high cost. And yes, if you want to squeeze 6 people into a small car you get to go in for less -- why not? Truth is most cars don't come in full. Rich people could buy a car ticket for just 2-3 people because it means they breeze through the gate without inspection. Other than, perhaps, some occasional NVHP checking that they don't have more people in the car than there are seatbelts which would get a traffic ticket or worse (requirement that somebody leave the car and the rest go back to Reno to reduce the load.)
You could even have an RV ticket, priced at perhaps 6x the regular ticket, but allowing up to 8 to come. Again, those willing to cram so tightly to save a few bucks should save a few bucks, it's reasonable variable pricing. Yes, you could stick 20 in an RV but random checks would stop that.
Another approach would be to let lots of burners train to work gate, ideally some sort of remote web-based training. They would also be vouched for by trusted people. When you get to the playa and the lane is long (say over an hour) the trained person can get out, and work half an hour of gate, and then their car goes through. Everybody gets through in less time. To avoid people volunteering for gate just to let other stowaways in, volunteers with a less established reputation are paired with another random volunteer or with a trusted gate worker.
With enough people trained, the larger the backup, the larger pool of people who can work gate to reduce the backup, it scales automatically.
During peak volume, random searches are already utilized for smaller cars. A gate crew staffer can search a well packed RV or box truck in a very fast and efficient manner. There are also a number of identifiers we look for in terms of who gets selected and who gets marked for no search. No, I will not disclose such information.
Also during peak volume, poorly packed vehicles and trailers are shuttled to D Lot for their search. You want to speed up the process? Start telling people to pack more efficiently and stop rolling up in vehicles and trailers that look like they were packed by a pack of wild monkies on crystal meth that flung everything into the back of a box truck from 20 feet away.
Searches are also not only for stowaways.
The event permit is based on population. This is a BLM stipulation and is non-negotiable once the population numbers are established on the permit. A fixed population determines many of the critical infrastructure needs of the event such as how much ice needs to brought in, the number of porta potties, the number of medical staff to have on hand, etc. 10k "car or rv tickets" being sold with an indeterminate number of participants in each vehicle could leave the city shorted on critical infrastructure needs or cause the event to incur unnecessary expenses trying to guesstimate and overstaff expensive services like medical and fire services.
Liability nightmare. Gate crew are volunteers and trained for their positions in a hands on environment. A web based training approach would not prepare the person for the conditions they would be facing in the dust, especially during peak volume in the lanes. We have several "dead zones", as in, you are in danger of being dead if you are in these zones during your shift. Also, where do you propose parking the vehicles of these 30 minute volunteers? Trying to establish another avenue of traffic and parking areas would slow the process down even more.
There is a volunteer link off of the main Burning Man website. Come out with us next year and work the lanes and get a first hand perspective of what it is we do and how we do it.
burner von braun wrote:I realize something like this has probably already been considered, but..
Suppose there were two types of tickets (disregard the tier system for now). These two types of tickets are notably different, say one red, the other yellow. The red ticket would cost more, perhaps $100, 150, maybe more, but it would get you in a day or so earlier. (I leave it to the acturarily minded to determine exact numbers)
The goal of this system would be to provide the correct financial vs. entry incentive to effectively split the traffic load evenly over two days, which would also relieve congestion on 447 coming up to the event.
loaded by a pack of wild monkies on crystal meth that flung everything into the back of a box truck from 20 feet away.
BBadger wrote:Good hell. This thread has gotten more and more ridiculous as it has progressed. Computerized placement? Footage/wait ratios? What next? Airlifting cars into the playa? Tunnels? Giant X-ray machines?
Newsflash: you're at this event for a whole fucking week. Why are you're scrambling over the remains and feces of a few hours before you actually enter the playa? What is the point of exodus "solutions" for a problem that gets solved by waiting or leaving early a half day or so? Do you really think you can do better when the maximum throughput at exodus (no searches there) is still not enough to move everyone out in under 4 hours?
Like the ticket prices, I think these car searches keep out riff-raff and douchebags. I want stowaways and the degenerate assholes who bring them caught and evicted from the event (blacklisted too). I want boas, pets, plants, fireworks and other bullshit found and the owners sent back to Reno. If that means a paltry sacrifice of 5 minutes per car that is a fucking bargain for keeping as much bullshit degeneracy as possible from infecting Burning Man. No, not 100% coverage, but we should damn well try for it within reason (and no, a few hours at "rush hour" doesn't cut it).
I want solutions that address the current setup. For example, I'd rather see people learn to pack their shit properly and get their cars ready for search when it is time. That means not packing stuff so you have to unload your entire trailer so your coffin-sized cooler can be inspected. That means taking your bikes off the trunk of your car so that you can easily open it up. That means having your shit together and doing your part.
Maybe the gate folk could place signs and notices on the road to facilitate folk getting their shit prepared while they wait. Then add "pulsing" notices (countdown signs) which would also help with idling and getting people back in their cars so they can move the line forward.
Nipple wrote:Now you need an even more expensive ticket, and have people come even earlier on Monday and Tuesday!
... and then you need a third more expensive ticket...
This goes on for a while, until you have someone paying a 128th tier ticket to come to next years festival on the last day of this year.
stretch80 wrote:From what I have seen, the lineup is like a 1000 kittens. Have you ever tried to herd kittens??
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