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Re: dust, fence dredging etc....

Postby KellY » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:11 pm

Not speaking for other folks, but the main reason I kep coming back to this thread is that I'm concerned that, even though most folks recognize Rex's bitterness and lousy logic, some new Burners might think some of his claims are factual, and I feel the need to correct them. Such as:

allanon2 wrote:
PetsUntilEaten wrote:
allanon2 wrote: its not the cars causing most of the erion its rakign the entire BM site with a chain link fence and disturbing the top 6 inches or so of soil that loosens up the surface.
vehcles maybe go down 1-2 inches max and if it has a hard crust they dont even break through that.


Why would a chain link fence (maybe 50-70 pounds) do more damage that a vehicle tire (one ton over four tires)?


they drag it it over the playa to turn up the top few inches of the lake bed. its purpose its to turn up the top few icnehs to suposibly brign up the trash that is underneath. it is also used to help with burn scars.


Like all of the best lies, this has a tiny grain of truth in it. The org NEVER scoured the entire event site with a chain link fence- that's fucking ludicrous. They did, however, use that technique to break up burn scars - very tiny areas compared to the actual amount of space the event occupies. That was years ago, however. Nowadays everything is on burn blankets or platforms and large fires on the playa surface are against the rules (causing much gnashing of teeth in some circles), and there aren't much in the way of burn scars to break up.

[quote= "allanon2"] I care if people get lied to. That is one of my goals in life to help fret out lies and expose them. I try to help people. I try to get peopel to see reality through the world of propaganda.[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He "tries to get people to see reality through the world of propaganda" -grammatically speaking (tough subject for Rex, I know) that sounds to me like he's saying he wants people to see reality through the lens of his propaganda, instead, for instance, their own eyes. That sounds completely accurate to me. Probably the truest thing he ever said on this board.
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Postby TheJudge » Tue Aug 10, 2004 3:55 pm

This is, without a doubt, my favorite thread on the "e-pliyuh" Every time I see Allanon2 post another angry reply with his pathetic spelling and flawed logic, its like Christmas morning all over again. I patiently sit in front of my computer waiting for the message to sloooowly excrete out the next nugget of wisdom from this guy.

Thank you, Allanon2 for making our lives so entertaining.
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glad they have fixed that problem

Postby allanon2 » Tue Aug 10, 2004 11:25 pm

On the stipulations BMORG says that they use techniques dedveloped in 1998. 1998 and 1999 they basically did that almost anywhere.
I am glad to hear they are not doing that everywhere( well where peopel camped and art burned)
maybe they need to chnage their stipulations and operation plan they file with BLM.
I still can easliy say the BM disturbs the dirt over a much larger area than the rest of the lake bed.

But i am glad to see the BM doesn't do a technique that is very damaging to the Playa.

and in 1998 or was it 1999 (d0nt remember) they basically had burn scars all over I saw them draggin basically everwhere.

so yeah progress, thats nicie.

Like all of the best lies, this has a tiny grain of truth in it. The org NEVER scoured the entire event site with a chain link fence- that's fucking ludicrous. They did, however, use that technique to break up burn scars - very tiny areas compared to the actual amount of space the event occupies. That was years ago, however. Nowadays everything is on burn blankets or platforms and large fires on the playa surface are against the rules (causing much gnashing of teeth in some circles), and there aren't much in the way of burn scars to break up.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Wed Aug 11, 2004 12:28 am

TheJudge wrote:This is, without a doubt, my favorite thread on the "e-pliyuh" Every time I see Allanon2 post another angry reply with his pathetic spelling and flawed logic, its like Christmas morning all over again. I patiently sit in front of my computer waiting for the message to sloooowly excrete out the next nugget of wisdom from this guy.

Thank you, Allanon2 for making our lives so entertaining.


I'm begining to smell SOCK!

Maybe its the way he spells certain words like its his TAG.

Personally, I think I'm over this thread.

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Re: wow bashing of special olypmics

Postby Captain Goddammit » Wed Aug 11, 2004 6:08 am

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I smell a sock-puppet agitator here... no one could really be as stupid as you portray yourself; it's a little over the top.


Me too.
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Postby Tancorix » Wed Aug 11, 2004 7:36 am

Allanon04 sends his regards. Now Allanon2, why not pay a visit to the playa and see for yourself what really happens out there vs. relying on BLM stipulations and the like. The reality on the ground, oops playa can be a little different than what you see on paper.
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I do visit the playa/desert 2-3 times a year EIR request

Postby allanon2 » Wed Aug 11, 2004 10:16 am

Tancorix wrote:Allanon04 sends his regards. Now Allanon2, why not pay a visit to the playa and see for yourself what really happens out there vs. relying on BLM stipulations and the like. The reality on the ground, oops playa can be a little different than what you see on paper.


I do know that BM produces more dust than any other part of the playa. ask locals they will say that the dust stroms around the BM area are worse then any other place on the playa. (that means they have much looser soil in the BM area)

I make sure i visit the BM site when i go out to the lake bed.
I explore the whole region and probably know it better than 95% of the peopel that visit the playa (locals excluding)

abd I am a sock? havent we alll agreed that I am not a logn time ago.
fine just close your eyes and makybe the world will be free of me when you open them?
or maybe i am real and helping gettign peopel to think.
getting BLM to follow the rules they set out.
gtting a few people to care about the lake bed and accept the fact that maybe some damage is occuring
if no damage is occuring then why does BLM have enviromental regulations?
why has no one done a full blow EIR? in almost all cases of a yearly event like this in a sensitive arera they would have required a full blown EIR by a indepenedent 3rd party.
is BLM /BMORG afriad what it will turn up?

hopefully one day we will see what a detailed study actualy shows instead of just some first level unpacts and not dig deeeper and se what long term effects are being caused.

on that front the semprera powerplant is goign to do a full blown EIR (that is why they are gathering data as we speak) and that will be abnalyzed and a cost benefit analysis done and if the EIR shows its worth having the pwerplant there they will have it. (after public comment period)

so why has BMORG not done a EIR? *yes its expensive) but if it is done they coudl say to people like me and other that a study has been completed by a 3rd party soruce and we are not doign any long term inpact on the playa. or maybe we are doign a small amoutn of damage.
now all BLM and BMORG can say is umm well we dont think any damage is being done but well we will sue you if you stand against us (the county was threatend to be sued) or we can say whatever we want about the oposistion knowing that its doubtful BM will get sued becuase it expensive. i think the EIR route would solve most problems and stop most of the arguments we have here on the Eplaya

and if you want to discuss this face to face visit me at Trego over the BM event.

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Postby samtzu » Wed Aug 11, 2004 2:20 pm

Proverbs, somewhere:
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like unto him


This thread is pathetic...
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Re: I do visit the playa/desert 2-3 times a year EIR request

Postby Stormy » Wed Aug 11, 2004 9:07 pm

allanon2 wrote:and if you want to discuss this face to face visit me at Trego over the BM event.


You could call it "camp spite."

Maybe you could take pictures of people in the water to add to the collection on your website showing the "atrocities" of previous burners.
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Re: I do visit the playa/desert 2-3 times a year EIR request

Postby Captain Goddammit » Thu Aug 12, 2004 12:03 am

allanon2 wrote: i think the EIR route would solve most problems and stop most of the arguments we have here on the Eplaya



Arguments? This is comedy!
You think ANYONE here takes your illiterate, false B.S. seriously?

You're only being engaged here because you're SO screwy that it's entertaining.

Just so we're clear on that...

O.K., say something again... can't wait...
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Postby Tancorix » Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:14 am

After reviewing the BLM Winnemucca office website and the various articles on BM 2004, it appears that the Trego Hot Springs are closed for the duration of the event. If you are camping there it appears to be a direct violation of the public closure order.

(Notice I use the word "appears" twice. I didn't see anything specific about Trego except the ORG has to have people patrol it, and it seems to fall under some of the closure order markings shown on the .pdf.)

Besides, if you are there, others will think they can do the same. Maybe you should think twice about your choice of campsites during the duration of the event.
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Postby Tancorix » Thu Aug 12, 2004 4:23 am

BTW Allanon, is this your Dodge Neon?

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WINNEMUCCA, Nev. -- A horse looks out a window of the trailer its being hauled in after a Dodge Neon collided with it. The accident occurred after high winds blew dust from a freshly plowed field across the roadway severely limiting visibility. (05/04/04 AP photo)

Alternate Caption: The Old West meets the New West. At least the horse can still run while the Neon is crunched.

This image and text was swiped from another playa related BBS as it was too good to pass up.
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Postby JezebelinHell » Thu Aug 12, 2004 5:06 am

So that's where I parked my car...
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Thu Aug 12, 2004 6:51 am

Tancorix wrote:BTW Allanon, is this your Dodge Neon?



You know the old saying about birds of a feather...
It's just one horse's ass seeking another.
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Postby ness » Thu Aug 12, 2004 2:49 pm

I take it your a local Allanon2......do you also flip shit at U.S gypsom for mining that dusty shit off the playa.....face it Burningman is bigger than you as is U.S Gypsom.......GET OVER IT
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Thu Aug 12, 2004 3:55 pm

And if it helps make you any more miserable, I buy and use US Gypsom casting plaster from Empire Nevada at work, AND I'm a burner who is "destroying" the playa... I'm also a real racer who knows what a wanna-be pile that Neon is. My street cruiser would trounce it, you can check it out at http://www.ilynne.com/55Chevy.mov What else... Oh, and I find you very amusing, good for a laugh every day.

I don't know why you bother, but have at it!

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mm trego is closed to BM attendees

Postby allanon2 » Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:04 pm

Tancorix wrote:After reviewing the BLM Winnemucca office website and the various articles on BM 2004, it appears that the Trego Hot Springs are closed for the duration of the event. If you are camping there it appears to be a direct violation of the public closure order.

(Notice I use the word "appears" twice. I didn't see anything specific about Trego except the ORG has to have people patrol it, and it seems to fall under some of the closure order markings shown on the .pdf.)

Besides, if you are there, others will think they can do the same. Maybe you should think twice about your choice of campsites during the duration of the event.



and if BM attendees do show up dont worry BLM rangers will kindly escort them away. But no cite BMORG as a rules viloation.
and as usual the earthguardians will eb there but will probably not say anything to any buring man attendees when they show up. Yes Earthguadians are stationed at trego and Blackrock and double hot springs but from my observations they dont do any good as they say nothign to the people from BM. In fact I have seen a coupel of them go in for a swim a direct violatiton of the BM permit. plus some have been droped off with no water or food. and left for 8 hours in the hot sun.
we have helped by giving them water and shade

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wow I am called a local?

Postby allanon2 » Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:05 pm

ness wrote:I take it your a local Allanon2......do you also flip shit at U.S gypsom for mining that dusty shit off the playa.....face it Burningman is bigger than you as is U.S Gypsom.......GET OVER IT



far from it.
I just care about the place
it takes me about 7 hours to get to the region.
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whats your 1/4 mile times?

Postby allanon2 » Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:11 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:And if it helps make you any more miserable, I buy and use US Gypsom casting plaster from Empire Nevada at work, AND I'm a burner who is "destroying" the playa... I'm also a real racer who knows what a wanna-be pile that Neon is. My street cruiser would trounce it, you can check it out at http://www.ilynne.com/55Chevy.mov What else... Oh, and I find you very amusing, good for a laugh every day.

I don't know why you bother, but have at it!

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the new turbo neons that cost 21K run the 1/4 mile in about 14.5
0-60 in about 5.4-5.6
nothign faster under 25 grand.

plsu you will lose in any corner.

cool car thou. I used to have a mildly modifed 66 mustang

and Gypsum has to be mined for plaster board. Gypsum only occurs in certain places and Emire happens to be one of those places. I never said I was against the plant. In fact mining ha to be done and it looks like empire gypsum plant does a decent job of it.
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Re: want me to be perfect? ok her eit is

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 13, 2004 4:54 pm

allanon2 wrote:BLM moto is "The Land of Many Uses"
the joke moto is "the land of many abuses"
The chief one being stealing the Forest Service's motto. I don't know where Mr. Moto got into this, but ain't he a hoary old racial cliche?
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Re: I do visit the playa/desert 2-3 times a year EIR request

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Aug 13, 2004 5:01 pm

Captain Goddammit wrote:
allanon2 wrote: i think the EIR route would solve most problems and stop most of the arguments we have here on the Eplaya



Arguments? This is comedy!

It's too much. I'm pretty darn sure that there will never be an EIR for the Black Rock Desert.
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Re: I do visit the playa/desert 2-3 times a year EIR request

Postby allanon2 » Sat Aug 14, 2004 9:56 am

theCryptofishist wrote:
Captain Goddammit wrote:
allanon2 wrote: i think the EIR route would solve most problems and stop most of the arguments we have here on the Eplaya



Arguments? This is comedy!

It's too much. I'm pretty darn sure that there will never be an EIR for the Black Rock Desert.


if Brning man was doen on private property the county would probably require it.

si fi it would be required on private property in ost places why is the lake bed not good enough?

if the lake bed is not good enough then why does BLM has enviromental regulations unless they are worried about something and it is hard to be worried about somehting if you dont have any idea about what could be done. BLM is not suppsoed to do things just on the willy nilly (more puns) they are only supposed to use reala life info when they make decisions but with BM this is not the case.

so a EIR should occur
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Postby rodent » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:17 am

"Brning" "doen" "si fi" "ost" "somehting" "dont" "suppsoed" "reala"

proofread.

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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sat Aug 14, 2004 11:26 am

rodent wrote:"Brning" "doen" "si fi" "ost" "somehting" "dont" "suppsoed" "reala"

proofread.

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That IS proofread already... sometimes it's worse!
Allanon2 might be a sock, but at least if he's real we know HE'LL never have a sock, he couldn't spell sock, wouldn't be able to fool anyone!

Still, could anyone graduate to fourth grade with that level of illiteracy?
I think it's too over the top to be a real person.
It's a great gag to come on here as an obvious moron who thinks we need to learn from him...

It's TOO good.
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why thak you captian god

Postby allanon2 » Sat Aug 14, 2004 8:14 pm

i dont type well.
i leave off letters and sometimes miss letetrs

but you dotn care as you use it as a way to redriect what I am saying.
and by the way if I am a sock then NPR's interview on Wednesday and broadcast on friday wasn't real either

NOR woudl liek to know thta they didnt talk to a real person :)


rodent (putting the eek in geek)[/quote]

That IS proofread already... sometimes it's worse!
Allanon2 might be a sock, but at least if he's real we know HE'LL never have a sock, he couldn't spell sock, wouldn't be able to fool anyone!

Still, could anyone graduate to fourth grade with that level of illiteracy?
I think it's too over the top to be a real person.
It's a great gag to come on here as an obvious moron who thinks we need to learn from him...

It's TOO good.[/quote]
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Re: why thak you captian god

Postby rodent » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:11 pm

allanon2 wrote:i dont type well.
i leave off letters and sometimes miss letetrs

but you dotn care as you use it as a way to redriect what I am saying.
and by the way if I am a sock then NPR's interview on Wednesday and broadcast on friday wasn't real either

NOR woudl liek to know thta they didnt talk to a real person :)


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That IS proofread already... sometimes it's worse!
Allanon2 might be a sock, but at least if he's real we know HE'LL never have a sock, he couldn't spell sock, wouldn't be able to fool anyone!

Still, could anyone graduate to fourth grade with that level of illiteracy?
I think it's too over the top to be a real person.
It's a great gag to come on here as an obvious moron who thinks we need to learn from him...

It's TOO good.[/quote][/quote]

"dont" "letetrs" "dotn" "redriect" "NOR" "woudl" "liek" "thta" "didnt"

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Re: why thak you captian god

Postby rodent » Sat Aug 14, 2004 10:15 pm

allanon2 wrote:i dont type well.
i leave off letters and sometimes miss letetrs

but you dotn care as you use it as a way to redriect what I am saying.
and by the way if I am a sock then NPR's interview on Wednesday and broadcast on friday wasn't real either

NOR woudl liek to know thta they didnt talk to a real person :)


rodent (putting the eek in geek)


That IS proofread already... sometimes it's worse!
Allanon2 might be a sock, but at least if he's real we know HE'LL never have a sock, he couldn't spell sock, wouldn't be able to fool anyone!

Still, could anyone graduate to fourth grade with that level of illiteracy?
I think it's too over the top to be a real person.
It's a great gag to come on here as an obvious moron who thinks we need to learn from him...

It's TOO good.[/quote][/quote]

"dont" "letetrs" "dotn" "redriect" "NOR" "woudl" "liek" "thta" "didnt"

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Postby sampix » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:48 am

For those of you not living in Las Vegas and didn't hear the locally produced NPR public affairs show "State of Nevada," that discussed Burning Man, Rex came off sounding about as intelligent as his typing. http://www.knpr.org/son/archivedetail.cfm?ProgramID=236

In regards to the "plyia" serpents and dunes, I spent weeks covering both years of the land speed record attempts as well as and I can tell you the serpents and dunes were there - we used them to get some elevation when shooting the cars. I haven't been back since '97 so I can't attest to any increase in number, but it is not a new phenomenon. Or would that be penhonmonnh?
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Postby sampix » Sun Aug 15, 2004 2:51 am

In regards to the "plyia" serpents and dunes, I spent weeks covering both years of the land speed record attempts as well as and I can tell you the serpents and dunes were there - we used them to get some elevation when shooting the cars. I haven't been back since '97 so I can't attest to any increase in number, but it is not a new phenomenon. Or would that be penhonmonnh?[/quote]

Damn, always be sure to proofread when making light of someone else's lack of logic and digital dexterity.
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Postby Isotopia » Sun Aug 15, 2004 4:40 am

Rex came off sounding about as intelligent as his typing. http://www.knpr.org/son/archivedetail.cfm?ProgramID=236


THAT was rich. Had to play it twice due to interrupting myself from laughing.

If there's any question of Rex being a sock or someone's idea of online performance art this should put an end to it. I can only hope he continues to do these sound bites.

Thanks for the laugh.
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