Is the Water Truck your shower?

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Postby paps » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:22 pm

keep yer pie hole shut
this is not the amazon
rinse your ass & run
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Postby paps » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:32 pm

I did it last year when the truck went by my place. Knew it was pond water. So what? Water in nature has micro organizisms.

Geez!

Yes, can see the glitter or soap being a problem, have read on this site that some folks even fret about hair getting on the playa.

Also of course correctness (or not!) of attire, music or lack thereof, electricity usage & how it is wrought, foodstuffs, and even intent of why I one might be there!

I find it somewhat daunting that there is such circumspection. So mostly I say FUCK YOU.
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Postby paps » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:35 pm

what a hell raiser
runs behind a water truck
on akali flat
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Postby amnesia » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:45 pm

barefoot akali
can be dangerous
you would be a fool!

Yes, sadly, there is even CAST SYSTEM
at Burningman over NOT wearing shoes
but carrying them
while running behind the water truck,
(boo-hoo, he has worn his feet off)
versus WEARING shoes while running
behind the water truck & making larger FOOTPRINTS.

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Postby amnesia » Thu Jun 24, 2004 9:47 pm

he is a fool to laugh
thinks this might be fun
get a ranger quick
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Postby nipples » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:14 pm

Tut-tut my alter-egos!

Though I would concurr there is too-plenty of political correctness for those whom would be bound, the ethos of "Leave No Trace" does not fall in that category. It is more than politically correct to leave no trace.

ARe the organizisms which rinse from my un-lathered body are more harmful to the playa than the pond-water rinse I'm running behind?

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Postby nipples » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:16 pm

Yes. Your bacteria are different than pond-water bacteria, which has become a recurrent, hence naturally occurring phenomenom on alkai flats.
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Postby nipples » Thu Jun 24, 2004 10:17 pm

What about the tads?!

Who'll take care of the little tads?!
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:12 am

Isotopia wrote:Non-potable can mean many things.



Does it mean you can't smoke it?



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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Jul 01, 2004 11:18 am

technopatra wrote:Right, your instincts are correct. No soapy water should ever hit the playa, biodegradable or not.


I don't want you to think i'm on the "Attack Techno Mode" but, I am ignorant, since the playa is basically composed of phosphatic alkaloids can tell me how soap is going to affect it?

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Postby Simply Joel » Thu Jul 01, 2004 1:09 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
technopatra wrote:Right, your instincts are correct. No soapy water should ever hit the playa, biodegradable or not.


I don't want you to think i'm on the "Attack Techno Mode" but, I am ignorant, since the playa is basically composed of phosphatic alkaloids can tell me how soap is going to affect it?

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I am guessing those spots on the playa where soap is... is much cleaner playa
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Postby SilkenTofu » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:34 pm

the playa does need a good scrubbing....to get the pee smell out ya know.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Jul 01, 2004 3:34 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:I don't want you to think i'm on the "Attack Techno Mode" but, I am ignorant, since the playa is basically composed of phosphatic alkaloids can tell me how soap is going to affect it?
Contrary to BM folk wisdom, the playa is not lifeless. In the winter little water creatures hatch ala brine shrimp. I still don't know if these provide a significant food source to water fowl on the flyway . . . But "vernal pond" issues may apply. And the problem with dropping anything in a lake is that it could transport all over it.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:03 pm

theCryptofishist wrote: But "vernal pond" issues may apply.


Yes, and the water is so soft you wouldn't need to use soap to wash with it.

And yes, when water is present during migrations lots of shorebird do feed one those little creatures.

Oil and coolant leaks from cars are a much greater concert.

But hey, I can change and adapt, when little water creatures can't!


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Postby Badger » Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:20 pm

Pyramid lake is part of a primary migratory flyway. The playa is not. Even though the represent what was once part of the same lacustrine (lake building) system.

Brine shrimp are a big staple for many of the migrating fowl who love the little wigglers.

Oil and coolant leaks are not a great concern but are issues that the BM project are concerned about in a preemptive sort of way because of unsubstantiated accusations by opponents of the event making refernces to non-existent problems and catagorizing them as fact.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:05 pm

Badger wrote:<<<<..."lacustrine"...>>>>>


My word for the day.


Not to be confused with "Latrine", but you can see the relation.


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Badger wrote:...Oil and coolant leaks are not a great concern...


Yes, and most of the comes from high speed record vehicles crashing on the playa!

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Postby Badger » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:15 pm

Yes, and most of the comes from high speed record vehicles crashing on the playa!


Cites?
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:39 pm

Badger wrote:
Yes, and most of the comes from high speed record vehicles crashing on the playa!


Cites?



ERh, the site was the Black Rock Desert what SITE do you think I was talking bout!

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PS- I was being Lud, erh, chist.
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Postby Tancorix » Fri Jul 02, 2004 6:57 pm

Cite = references. ie: fact checking, or good old fashioned can you back up what ya spoke up about? That's what he's meaning.

I'm still wondering if this LNT stuff is going a bit too far sometimes, where do you draw the line between taking reasonable measures vs overkill?
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:23 pm

Tancorix wrote:Cite = references. ie: fact checking, or good old fashioned can you back up what ya spoke up about? That's what he's meaning.




Damn with so many literalists on the playa how does art ever evolve to the next stage.

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PS- I wasn't speaking of the heavy metal band
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Postby Badger » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:26 pm

Damn with so many literalists on the playa how does art ever evolve to the next stage.


By taking the step and assuming the responsibility of being able to back up with facts that which you (or anyone else) would posit as truth or fact.
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Fri Jul 02, 2004 8:49 pm

You seem to be missing the joke (site/cite) he was attempting...
Granted, not the funniest thing ever said, but merely humor nonetheless...
Kinda like you and your rebar in the spokes thing.
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Jul 03, 2004 10:33 am

Badger wrote:
Damn with so many literalists on the playa how does art ever evolve to the next stage.


By taking the step and assuming the responsibility of being able to back up with facts that which you (or anyone else) would posit as truth or fact.


Which do find worse for the playa environment- Oil or Soap?

My answer- Oil! 12,000 vehicles parked on the playa for a week!

Do high speed cars crash?

My answer- yes!

How many crashed vehicles leaked oil?

My answer- perhaps a handful or two!

Compared the amount of oil from crashed vehicles that to the number of parked vehicles at BM. Insignificant!

Which should be a greater concern to the Bmorg- Oil or Soap!

The pollutant in Soap is phosphates. The Playa is composed of phosphates, not oil!

Now lets talk about the waste from thousands of solid rockets fuel engines left on the playa from those users.

Not!

Lud, Erh, Chist = ludircrous= absurdly ridiculous and "NOT" a heavy metal band in this usage.

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Postby spectabillis » Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:08 pm

technopatra wrote:... or have your waste water pumped by JOTP - excellent resource for larger camps with showers that service lots of people.


Whats JOTP?
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Postby Captain Goddammit » Sat Jul 03, 2004 12:54 pm

She meant JOTS, Johnny On The Spot, the portapotty service on the playa.
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Postby BAS » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:20 am

BTW, where is the water for the water truck going to be coming from in the future? IIRC, the frog pond was refered to in past tense.
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Postby jarjar » Tue Jul 13, 2004 1:34 am

BAS wrote:BTW, where is the water for the water truck going to be coming from in the future? IIRC, the frog pond was refered to in past tense.


its still coming from the frog pond. the owner and the borg came to an agreement.
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Postby DVD Burner » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:04 am

jarjar wrote:
BAS wrote:BTW, where is the water for the water truck going to be coming from in the future? IIRC, the frog pond was refered to in past tense.


its still coming from the frog pond. the owner and the borg came to an agreement.


Whoa!

looks like there will be a lot a kissin goin on.



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Postby Bob » Fri Jul 16, 2004 3:51 pm

Amazing desert structures & stuff: http://sites.google.com/site/potatotrap/

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Postby Mithra » Fri Jul 16, 2004 9:19 pm

I don't know about any of this scientific stuff. All I know is that the people who run the event asked me to not piss on the playa and to pack out what I pack in, including gray water.

Will thrity thousand people pissing and washing on the playa effect it? Why take the chance. Not like it's a huge burden to make an evap pond and use a piss bottle when a portapotty's not close by.

I can't control high speed cars or other peoples oil leaks but I can ensure that my impact on the playa is minimized. It's that whole personal responsibilty thing baby.


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