The Value of Art and Money (and God and Sex)

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The Value of Art and Money (and God and Sex)

Postby dadara » Tue Mar 15, 2011 2:38 pm

I don't know if I'll manage financially to fill a pool with money and bring it to the desert, though I will do my utter best to make it happen, but I do know that the blog accompanying the project took on a life of its own and I felt that all the authors who contributed deserved a bigger audience for their posts and also the artists mentioned deserve to get known by more people.

That's the reason I started this thread; to highlight some of those posts, especially since blogposts mostly get into the spotlight for a fleeting moment before disappearing under the button 'older posts'

So why did I start a new thread about the value of art and money?
Well because the previous one started with a post about Paul-what's-his-name and I didn't feel it appropriate to have him as the main focus and definitely didn't want his name in the subject to keep popping up :-(

To make a long story short, here are some links to posts I think are relevant since they deal with the frictions between the financial and intrinsic/real values of art, which for me has always been an important part of Burning Man itself.

Sal Randolph, an artist from New York, who has been giving away money for years as a form of art wrote this article:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/uselessness-refusal-and-money-why-works-of-art-keep-turning-into-treasures/

King Adz (from Street Knowledge) wrote this about street art and money
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/cash-rules/
(which might be appropriate because of the interesting story of the burning/throwing away of the Banksy center cafe piece)

And this is something I wrote myself about the art project which probably has influenced me most in my life: the burning of a million British pounds by the K Foundation: http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/burning-1-000-000-brittish-pounds/

And why did I include God and Sex in the title? Of course because it sounds good, but also because of this post:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/god-sex-money-art/
which might give some people here a reason to have fun on this eplaya thread, while snarking, while others can just read the various other posts and stay updated on new interesting posts which I will update here.

Yours Bloggingly

Dadara

PS those interested in the pool filled with money can click the links in the signature. I'll only focus on the posts on the Art as Money blog here.
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Postby addison4 » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:05 am

Great post, this is an important subject.

One of the reasons BM works so well is because Larry Harvey has designed it to get around this commodity factor. I would also recommend Jeff Koons' work dealing with the unnerving commercial aspects inherent in art in addition to the artists mentioned above.

Larry Harvey really is a visionary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKow5RaLNI

Larry calls the non-commercial aspect the "punk" mentality; which is so important to individual art. It's amazing what happens when you remove all the commodity mentality from a group of people.

BM is society without the fetish of reducing everything to costs and profits, which is a beautiful thing. However, the raw fact is that making impressive BM art does cost a lot of money. Turning heads has always been seen as valuable, so money is still around; it still has a spiritual power. The good thing is that at BM money isn't used to control people, which you could argue is a different kind spiritual force. At BM we don't have people working menial jobs, in debt, paying rent: all controlled by finance. (Perhaps this last part is worthy of an art project.)

In conclusion...
American society's 2 problems that BM has solved: 1) commodity (material) fetishism, 2) money as power and control of others. The one thing we can't solve: money is impressive.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:08 am

perhaps dadara you should print up rolls of the stuff, in one-ply of course...

you might sell more.
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Postby dadara » Fri Mar 18, 2011 3:18 pm

addison4 wrote:Great post, this is an important subject.

One of the reasons BM works so well is because Larry Harvey has designed it to get around this commodity factor. I would also recommend Jeff Koons' work dealing with the unnerving commercial aspects inherent in art in addition to the artists mentioned above.

Larry Harvey really is a visionary:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCKow5RaLNI

Larry calls the non-commercial aspect the "punk" mentality; which is so important to individual art. It's amazing what happens when you remove all the commodity mentality from a group of people.

BM is society without the fetish of reducing everything to costs and profits, which is a beautiful thing. However, the raw fact is that making impressive BM art does cost a lot of money. Turning heads has always been seen as valuable, so money is still around; it still has a spiritual power. The good thing is that at BM money isn't used to control people, which you could argue is a different kind spiritual force. At BM we don't have people working menial jobs, in debt, paying rent: all controlled by finance. (Perhaps this last part is worthy of an art project.)

In conclusion...
American society's 2 problems that BM has solved: 1) commodity (material) fetishism, 2) money as power and control of others. The one thing we can't solve: money is impressive.


I think this speech of Larry Harvey is also pretty interesting looking at the economic aspects of Burning Man:
http://www.burningman.com/whatisburningman/lectures/viva.html

I also wanted to highlight some other stuff from the blog.
One is the very interesting aspect of time banking, which is a very different way of looking at money:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/time-is-money-but-is-it-art-as-well-2/

But then again, we can even use 'real' money for other things than originally intended:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/money-as-art-in-3d-or-origami-as-you-will/

And the question if Art IS Money:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/is-art-money-2/

In the Meantime I will keep making money :

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Postby Dr. Pyro » Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:08 pm

I get, I suppose, the Larry-Harvey-As-God metaphore, but where the hell is the sex on this thread? Inquiring minds need to know.
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Postby addison4 » Fri Mar 18, 2011 10:15 pm

Obviously money is sexy.

Style vs. Class... class is sexy. Money is sexy.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNsXnMcAN68
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Postby dadara » Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:15 pm

Dr. Pyro wrote:I get, I suppose, the Larry-Harvey-As-God metaphore, but where the hell is the sex on this thread? Inquiring minds need to know.


If you Google God, Sex, Money, and Art simultaneously, what's the #1 result?
Yes: http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/god-sex-money-art/

For the rest the only other sex reference I am afraid is the article comparing Art to a penis sheathe :
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/its-time-to-rebrand-the-buck/

But I recently got an email from someone who told me I should write a post about Andreas Fraser. I copy-pasted this from her wikipedia page:
In her videotape performance Untitled (2003), Fraser recorded a hotel-room sexual encounter with a private collector, who had paid close to $20,000 to participate, "not for sex, according to the artist, but to make an artwork."[/url]

So sounds like sex will pop up soon on the blog, and no, I didn't find 'Untitled' on Google video........
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I thought this was pretty cool...

Postby lonestoner916 » Tue Mar 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Shred Challenge is an annual competition that combines economic education and art. Art students from the Kansas City, Missiouri metro create an original work (all mediums are welcome) with approximately $800 in shredded money from the Federal Reserve bank. All works must be at least 60% shredded currency. Winners have their work displayed in the Federal Reserve's money museum.


http://www.kansascityfed.org/education/ ... llenge.cfm
http://www.kansascityfed.org/moneymuseum/


Edited to add: Sorry no sex. Oh wait, it's a bunch of High School kids of course there's sex, it just doesn't relate to money or art. How's this:
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Pretty sexy right?
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Postby dadara » Tue Apr 05, 2011 12:10 am

melanie14 wrote:I've been reading along for a while now. I just wanted to drop you a comment to say keep up the great work.. thanks!


Thanx! I am also very grateful that so many cool artists and writers are contributing to the blog and making it into something very special. I never envisioned it to turn into something like this, so am very happy.

Lots of people check the blog and mail me, but if a post triggers you, or you like it, than please leave a comment as well. Those artists and writers do appreciate feedback!

And if you like the whole project and would like to support it, than please exchange your 'real' money for Exchanghibition Banknotes at
http://shop.artasmoney.com

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Postby gaminwench » Fri Apr 08, 2011 7:08 pm

Got my ArtMoney today...YAY, I'm rich!!! Thank you, dadara, it's beautiful!
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Postby dadara » Sat Apr 09, 2011 5:42 am

gaminwench wrote:Got my ArtMoney today...YAY, I'm rich!!! Thank you, dadara, it's beautiful!


Hey Gaminwench. I am very happy that your Money has arrived AND even more that it has made you happy. Hopefully even more happy than the money that merely exists as digits on your bank account and is becoming worth less and less all the time and is called 'the dollar'.............

We received a picture from a Happy Exchanghibition Bank customer a while ago and this gave me the idea to try to get more pictures of people with their Artcash and start a collection of Happy Customers :-)

If you like that idea AND are happy with your new fortune, than please send us a pic as well!

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Postby Sic Pup » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:39 am

dadara wrote:If you like that idea AND are happy with your new fortune, than please send us a pic as well!


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Postby dadara » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:40 am

Several people already asked me when finally the real S.E.X. would enter this thread: well I guess now there's a blog post which really deals with the value of Art and Money AND Sex:
http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money ... -yourself/

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Re: The Value of Art and Money (and God and Sex)

Postby dadara » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:54 am

I forgot all about this thread and am really busy with all the practical aspects of my project right now, as dealing with shipping companies etc.
but here's a selection of stuff on the blog which I think is cool!

http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/viva-la-art/ - Artist Teun Castelein about the situation in the Netherlands nowadays where our new government is cutting back drastically on the Arts and declared art a 'leftist hobby'. His solution for all artists is to go underground - in his case becoming a beer brewer........

http://blog.artasmoney.com/art-as-money/money-money-money/ - cool poem about Money by artist Kamiel Proost

http://blog.artasmoney.com/exchanghibition-bank/photos-of-last-evening-with-larry-harvey-in-magna-plaza/ - presentation of the new Infinite banknote to Larry Harvey in an Amsterdam shopping center

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