Temporary Autonomous Zone

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Temporary Autonomous Zone

Postby TomServo » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:57 am

I read the book years ago...it was basically an anarchist manifesto..of sort. Written by Hakim Bey.
Burning Man as an organized festival, is a lot like Disneyland. But deep down, I think we have collectively, created an autonomous zone. Even with all the law enforcement, what we are allowed to get away with in Nevada...kinda conservative..is amazing!
With idiot groups like the tea baggers popping up, I see more and more the relevance of our community.
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Postby fciron » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:12 pm

If I were the trouble-making, devil's advocate type I would argue that these tea party rallies are also TAZs...
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Postby TomServo » Sun Feb 07, 2010 11:06 pm

I guess, if you count freedom from rational thought a zone. I think the far right, in america, have lost their fucking minds. They've shut down, socially.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:53 am

I read this long before BM. I think it was published in the Loompanics catalog.
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Postby TomServo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 5:30 pm

It was. Found my copy on Haight St..I think.
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Postby bauhaus » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:10 pm

Aren't there a lot of libertarians at these "tea bagger" events? The tea party org is a good start, but its being hijacked by republicans.
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Postby TomServo » Mon Feb 08, 2010 11:32 pm

bauhaus wrote:Aren't there a lot of libertarians at these "tea bagger" events? The tea party org is a good start, but its being hijacked by republicans.


I like libertarians, and seriously doubt they have any part..they split years ago.
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Postby spectabillis » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:37 am

wilson was basically an anarchist. even though the concept isnt entierely new - its a variation of certain naturally emergent social movements in the absence of a formalized authoritarian structure- but it was never as well voiced and explained until his work.

much of the early bay-area movements that gave rise to things like burningman also shared common platforms of beliefs, so its natural to make the association. underground party collectives and cacaphony, and survival research labs are a few others, but taz adoption was more spread than being a bay-area centered phenomenon.
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Postby Timezone LaFontaine » Tue Feb 09, 2010 1:22 pm

Not sure what Hakim Bey thinks about Burning Man specifically, but he has said that raves/freeparties share certain elements with his definition of TAZs. But he seems to draw a line at the use of electronic music as he considers it a form of mediation. Of course he also seems to periodically bring up his interest in pedophilia and incest, which has ultimately soured me to the rest of what he says.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Feb 09, 2010 2:04 pm

Let's get on with it!

http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz3.html#labelTAZ

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Postby TomServo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:11 pm

Timezone LaFontaine wrote:Not sure what Hakim Bey thinks about Burning Man specifically, but he has said that raves/freeparties share certain elements with his definition of TAZs. But he seems to draw a line at the use of electronic music as he considers it a form of mediation. Of course he also seems to periodically bring up his interest in pedophilia and incest, which has ultimately soured me to the rest of what he says.


Ted Kaczinsky soured me, by killing innocent civilians, but I had to agree with a lot of what he wrote. Ben Franklin was the most interesing of our "founding" fathers, but acknowledged the practicality of worshipping satan (not that I care, but someone else might)...he also wrote "Fart Proudly" hehe

Thanx for posting the TAZ UglyDougly!
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:16 pm

TomServo wrote:Ted Kaczinsky soured me, by killing innocent civilians...

Maybe that was his assignment. And you're welcome, Tom.
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Postby TomServo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:21 pm

Maybe..but I didn't see any good reasons in his manifesto. Maybe the New York Times edited that out.
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Postby TomServo » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:39 pm

All my assignments had a well specified objective...
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:06 am

How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Wed Feb 10, 2010 10:45 am

theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?


I don't see where Hakim Bey mentions this in his manifesto.
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Postby Timezone LaFontaine » Sun Feb 14, 2010 2:09 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?


If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.
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Postby the fire elf » Fri Feb 19, 2010 5:30 pm

Timezone LaFontaine wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?



If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.


would you categorize into types of responsiveness?

a heightened responsiveness of mediums would seem to indicate
the cover-band phenomenon, adjunct, philo/Image\SophyImage


if the nature of what's amplified is of flux...

or then, acoustic, being mere mechanistic amplification

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Postby lonestoner916 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 11:53 pm

the fire elf wrote:
Timezone LaFontaine wrote:
theCryptofishist wrote:How does electronic music mediate? Can it help me wiht my divorce?



If I'm remembering it correctly, his concept of Immediatism is to remove all the mediating factors of connection between people. So, speaking face-to-face would be more immediate than speaking on a phone, or through a forum like this. In a similar sense, I think he regards electronic music as being less immediate than acoustic music, in that it is having to go through these mediating steps, relying on electricity, amplification, perhaps including samples of previously recorded music and so forth.


would you categorize into types of responsiveness?

a heightened responsiveness of mediums would seem to indicate
the cover-band phenomenon, adjunct, philo/Image\SophyImage


if the nature of what's amplified is of flux...

or then, acoustic, being mere mechanistic amplification

"what's the nature of games, and who's most potent to be self-fulfilled", quoth the boar


Fire Elf, it's good to see you posting somewhere besides in the "My mind begins to hum" thread! For someone of your obvious intelligence, the more the better! Please feel free to join us whenever you like!
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Postby the fire elf » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:19 am

don't know myself to be obvious... yet thanks for the validation/invitation



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sometimes a sparrow, sometimes the birdhawk, the awareness flits above




any novel advance in thought worth being reeks a bit of taz

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Postby the fire elf » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:01 pm

i'm working in a clubscene, which, when popular, has a different sort of
kinesis through the surface, but the underneath seems anchored in a
cloisteredness... small circles of trust
instantiate vacuous truth
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Postby mayavin » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:05 pm

... and that's when a giant adventure is flirting 'cross a small gap :roll:
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Postby elf's sword » Sat Feb 20, 2010 3:51 pm

Psychometrics: all seeing, all knowing?

Formative assessments are diagnostic.

Summative assessments are evaluative.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:59 pm

Concrete assessments are infinitely preferable.
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Postby the fire elf » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:42 pm

and what would be done with them?

they can stand a mountain of shyte on a kernal of truth
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Postby mayavin » Sat Feb 20, 2010 6:53 pm

...book tells the story of Jonathan Livingston Seagull, a seagull who is
bored with the daily squabbles over food. Seized by a passion for flight,
he pushes himself, learning everything he can about flying, until finally his
unwillingness to conform results in his expulsion from his flock. An
outcast, he continues to learn, becoming increasingly pleased with his
abilities as he leads an idyllic life.
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Postby Bob » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:25 pm

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Postby ygmir » Sat Feb 20, 2010 9:29 pm

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Postby the fire elf » Sat Feb 20, 2010 11:04 pm

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+TAZ
1. Demanding full attention (actively/passively)
2. Dissolution of precept applicability over time (non-absolute)
3. Pronounced mood shifts
4. Skill receptive
5. Largely affable
6. Extirpation of... whatever that was that weighs the mind
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Sun Feb 21, 2010 9:30 am

Finally a game that anyone can play.

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