littleflower wrote:an art teacher recently hit on this in a lecture .... he could tell us what to do until he turned green, but it would still be nothing but information to us, rather than knowledge that we could use ... knowledge that builds on other knowledge ... knowledge that we would have to figure out for ourselves, with his info as a guide ...
kids have enough to learn without piling adult activities on top, whether explained or unexplained. time enough for that stuff in later years .... why push it? it's more likely to create only confusion...
but, again, i agree that there are plenty of good things for kids to learn at burning man.... and, hopefully, more protected parts of the city than where i was ....
jkisha wrote:Another rediculous argument. ... But stop bitching about those that want to bring their kids. Seeing someone naked isn't going to distroy inocence. ..
spectabillis wrote:jkisha wrote:Another rediculous argument. ... But stop bitching about those that want to bring their kids. Seeing someone naked isn't going to distroy inocence. ..
then stop bitching yourself, and move on.
several years ago i opened discussions about the effects of people bringing in children, and there were quite a few who said they never feel comfortable knowing whats acceptable to do in front of them. i sincerely doubt parents would appreciate the humor of nambla the clown being sexually explicit standing next to thier kid, or even if they were, i can only imagine what law enforcement would make of it.
given enough kids, i dont think federal and state standards would allow for public nudity in the presence of children. so now you want that to go away too?
Our mission is to produce the annual event known as "Burning Man" and to guide, nurture and protect the more permanent community created by its culture. Our intention is to generate society that connects each individual to his or her creative powers, to participation in community, to the larger realm of civic life, and to the even greater world of nature that exists beyond society. We believe that the experience of Burning Man can produce positive spiritual change in the world. To this end, it is equally important that we communicate with one another, with the citizens of Black Rock City and with the community of Burning Man wherever it may arise. Burning Man is radically inclusive, and its meaning is potentially accessible to anyone. The touchstone of value in our culture will always be immediacy: experience before theory, moral relationships before politics, survival before services, roles before jobs, embodied ritual before symbolism, work before vested interest, participant support before sponsorship. Finally, in order to accomplish these ends, Burning Man must endure as a self-supporting enterprise that is capable of sustaining the lives of those who dedicate themselves to its work. From this devotion spring those duties that we owe to one another. We will always burn the Man
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penguin wrote:First, we brought our 3-yo with us, and would do it again. IMHO the argument against bring children is based on a mis-understanding of what BM is supposed to be:
spectabillis wrote:penguin wrote:First, we brought our 3-yo with us, and would do it again. IMHO the argument against bring children is based on a mis-understanding of what BM is supposed to be:
no child is allowed at the event without explicit supervision, period, thats a stipulation thats not only required by the org, but unfortunately has to be that way for liability reasons. almost every year you hear a story about some lost child wandering around or left unattended. all it takes is a single misguided parent to sue over damages incurred by something which is normal at bman, like open fires, art cars, dangerous performances...
... and you are expecting these things to go away to accomodate a safe environment for children? you may be a responsible parent, but reality shows not everyone is.
spectabillis wrote:penguin wrote:I don't expect the event to "change" to accomodate children --
but thats the point, it does, and will continue.
RaineFX wrote:I'VE NEVER SAID HOW TO RAISE YOUR CHILD/REN!
What did i read! Only Jah knows and he will take care of the motherfuckers!
I've got 4 beautiful children of my own! I would love to bring them to BRC!!! To see the art, cars, lites, slide, the love I get from most, etc.!!!!
BUT, I DON'T BRING MY CHILDREN TO THE BRC! DUE TO WHAT BURNING MAN HAS EVOLVED INTO!!!
IN THE DEFALT WORLD I DON'T LET MY CHILDREN PRANCE AROUND NAKED IN FRONT OF THE SEX OFFENDERS HOUSE DOWN THE STREET FOR HIM TO TAKE PICTURES FOR HIS USE!!!! AND BRC SHOULD NOT BE ANY DIFFERENT!!! open your eyes
FACE IT PEEPS...WE GOT THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE PRAY LIKE WOLVES ON OUR CHILDREN!!! IN THE DEFAULT WORLD AND AT BRC!!!
THIS IS THE INNOCENCE I AM TALKIN ABOUT::: SOME PERVERT TAKING AWAY THESE CHILDRENS LIFE AND INNOCENCE BECAUSE HE WANTED TO GET HIS/HER KICKS OFF...SICK MOTHERFUCKERS...THOSE WHO DO THIS WILL ROTT IN HELL.... beter yet lets BURN THEM!!!!
BRC Community needs to pitch in more if chidren continue to attend and grow in BRC!!! Evolve for the Childrens Sake...Evolve themselves for the future life beings that we are!!! Otherwise NO CHILDREN SHOULD BE ALLOWED!!
rodiponer wrote:But I of course take exception to your thought that "kids at BRC don't add to the event in a positive way." If that's not just a rhetorical flourish, the annoying way modern educated people have been taught to drive every last nail all the way into the coffin so that the argument is taken to completeness, then I ask that you look inside yourself, your own internal dialog at the time, and make sure that you aren't just letting the children be a focal point to precipitate out some other bullshit.
oneeyeddick wrote:I heard that some mother got slammed to the ground and cuffed momentarily by LEOs in center camp(thursday?)
for letting her 4 year old daughter run around without some clothes on.
Anyone else hear about this ?
penguin wrote:I just hate to see children picked on when there is some much that could be learned at BM that is positive and good -- yes there is "bad" too -- but have you watched TV lately?
kind of reminds me of the gun control crowd, Do it for the sake of the kids.......Evolve for the Childrens Sake...
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