blyslv wrote:...a lot of people are dissatisfied with whatever they perceive to be the core values of the dominant American culture, and BM provides a venue to express that...
PJ wrote:B.Man LLC is a vacation experience outfitter that's discovered a unique niche market, and its owners are attempting to grow that market as broadly as possible. What's un-American-culture about that? Compromises must be made as they grow down-market (no drive-by-shooting range or fire cannons any more, and the like) but it's often the case that when any company expands they lose their original loyal customers to new start-up boutique operations. However in this case there is no alternative. Yet.
blyslv wrote:BM, as far as I can tell is not motivated by profit, and the fact that they want to expand does not make them the same as a Ramjac Corporation.
blyslv wrote:That the LLC is actively helping potential boutique “competitors” in the form of encouragement, advice and branding is not behavior that a profit maximizing entity would engage in.
blyslv wrote:I’m interested PJ, why the question about “un-American”?
...a lot of people are dissatisfied with whatever they perceive to be the core values of the dominant American culture, and BM provides a venue to express that...
blyslv wrote:...Why does America have to be equated to unlimited growth? It seems like a bit of a leap. Why are advocates for any sort of responsible limits on growth labeled un-American?
PJ wrote:blyslv wrote:BM, as far as I can tell is not motivated by profit, and the fact that they want to expand does not make them the same as a Ramjac Corporation.
If the average attendee paid $160 for their ticket, B.Man LLC is almost a $5M/year company. There's no amount of money that can't be wasted or lost, so they'd damned well better be thinking like responsible business people. Calling something "non profit" doesn't mean that, for example, management isn't bleeding it dry by paying themselves well. (Not that I think that's happening at BM LLC, it's just an example.) The legal construct of a "non profit" is mostly useful for tax purposes. Doesn't mean that Honest Joe Six Pack, if he read the books, wouldn't say, "Bullshit--you made $5M--whadidya do with it all?"
blyslv wrote:...in outlook and philosophy BM seems very different from you average profit maximizing corporation, I think it has very different core values, despite the similarity of some of their strategies to those of large corporations...
precipitate wrote:> Absent were the 24/7 gennies, and fools with too much amplification.
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And that's OK too. I think there are several broad, and myriad smaller,
categories of people, each looking for something different at Burning Man.
The overarching principle seems to be freedom to be creative. And again,
that can be interpreted in as many ways as there are people.
> something about the way it's moving makes me feel like it's getting
> more business-like and less let's-go-burn-stuff-up-in-the-desert.
> I can't point to anything specific.
Dude, didja read the letter to regionals?
Film Festival in a Box as a fundraiser?
Should [regional] groups create an LLC?
"We cannot continue to control this without your cooperation"
"We plan to ask our regionals to sign an agreement"
"We propose to rank these groups by region according to their stage of development"
precipitate wrote:Dude, didja read the letter to regionals?
i'll point out that i'm not including "radical inclusion". being willing to take in everyone necessarily means diluting all the other values.
III wrote:...riding on someone elses art car is not "participation". building your own is...
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