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Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby geospyder » Wed Jul 09, 2014 2:37 pm

I've always camped on a spoke street (6:00, 5:00, etc.). Thinking of trying a radius street somewhere between spoke streets. Something I've never considered - is there any advantage or disadvantage to doing this. I'll be camping solo so I'll have no restrictions on placement other than an empty spot big enough for my tent, monkey hut and Jeep.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:37 pm

It takes a little bit more geometry to find your way home after a night of drinking.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby VultureChow » Wed Jul 09, 2014 3:50 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:It takes a little bit more geometry to find your way home after a night of drinking.


Turn right or left. Even a lab rat could figure it out.

I would say the traffic is lighter on the lettered streets. I loved my location about a third of the way down on E street last year.

But if you are out by J or K the traffic might be too light for your liking.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:25 pm

VultureChow wrote:
Lonesomebri wrote:It takes a little bit more geometry to find your way home after a night of drinking.


Turn right or left. Even a lab rat could figure it out.


But we are not allowed to bring lab rats to the Burn......sheesh.......read your ticket.

Simple Maths: Say I'm camped on L between 8 and 8:15. I'm drinking on Esplanade and 5. I could turn up 5 and follow it to L, take a right, simple as you say, then follow L to my hovel. Or I could head around to the mouth of 8 and turn up it, a much much much shorter route. Or, what I usually do, work the angles. Hitting different cross streets. And that might be an advantage, getting more sidetracked than following the spokes. A sort of romantic notion of being off the beaten path, finding some odd bar, random absurdity or block of cheese.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Jul 12, 2014 4:58 pm

I think that bri is working his whey towards some sort of inspirational best seller.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby ranger magnum » Sun Jul 27, 2014 9:45 pm

The ticket says no dogs. Nothing is mentioned about rats. Service rats maybe?
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Zhust » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:59 am

Lonesomebri wrote:
VultureChow wrote:
Lonesomebri wrote:
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For what it's worth, the shortest navigating path is always to cross the open Esplanade to the radial clock street nearest your destination and follow it straight to the circumferential letter street of your destination. Like Lonesomebri's example, to get to 8:05 & L, the shortest route is to head straight to 8 & Esplanade and follow 8 to L. You can see visually that the distance on L from 7 to 8 is about as long as from Esplanade to L ... the highest-letter streets are longest.

Very tempted to do spreadsheet maths for real numbers but no. No nononono!

Back on-topic, I've lived on both radial and circumferential streets. Radial streets get much more traffic, but it seems most people are using it to get somewhere. Circumferential streets get less traffic, but more people are out exploring on them, so they tend to stop in. Last year we were at G & 7:15 which was mostly dead, except that quite a few people were confused that the outer 7:15 street ended at G. I find I'm usually most happy around E or F nearer an intersection than smack in the middle, and I usually reside near 7—once as far as 4:15 and never farther than 7:30.

The big nerd in me also wants to analyze traffic to see what the traffic flow is like. Ooh ... so data centric ...
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:11 am

Zhust wrote:
For what it's worth, the shortest navigating path is always to cross the open Esplanade to the radial clock street nearest your destination and follow it straight to the circumferential letter street of your destination. Like Lonesomebri's example, to get to 8:05 & L, the shortest route is to head straight to 8 & Esplanade and follow 8 to L. You can see visually that the distance on L from 7 to 8 is about as long as from Esplanade to L ... the highest-letter streets are longest.

Very tempted to do spreadsheet maths for real numbers but no.

(-snip-)

The big nerd in me also wants to analyze traffic to see what the traffic flow is like. Ooh ... so data centric ...


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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:33 am

It's about time we get some hard science behind spoke versus radius street camp locations.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby FIGJAM » Mon Jul 28, 2014 10:55 am

It's easier to find your camp if you are on a spoke! 8)
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Just_Joe » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:00 am

Lonesomebri wrote:It's about time we get some hard science behind spoke versus radius street camp locations.

We're supposed to be on a corner and can orient our chairs to spoke and radius on alternating days to provide data points for both arguments.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:06 am

FIGJAM wrote:It's easier to find your camp if you are on a spoke! 8)


Yes, thereby making a radius camp the better choice by default. It's the journey, not the destination.

And many camps will welcome you as if it is your camp if you are on the pole.

And Joe, as long as I can take the countering argument on alternating days. Though I'm pretty sure I will have the same complaints about how people are passing before me on which ever lane I'm over-seeing.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:02 pm

Just_Joe wrote:
Lonesomebri wrote:It's about time we get some hard science behind spoke versus radius street camp locations.

We're supposed to be on a corner and can orient our chairs to spoke and radius on alternating days to provide data points for both arguments.


Ohhh... I like the way you think. There'd also be a touch of Disorient camp in that, confusing your neighbors by subtly altering landmarks.


Lonesomebri wrote:
FIGJAM wrote:It's easier to find your camp if you are on a spoke! 8)


Yes, thereby making a radius camp the better choice by default. It's the journey, not the destination.



Psst... the radii are the spokes.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Just_Joe » Mon Jul 28, 2014 12:23 pm

BoyScoutGirl wrote:Psst... the radii are the spokes.

Leave it to a Lamplighter to know her way around the city...

Avenues/Radials/Spokes/ are numbers (2-10)
Streets/Annulars are letters (A-L)
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby BBadger » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:28 pm

If I were involved in the camp placement decision-making process (and I usually am not), I'd base the camp locate on proximity to the porta-potties.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:47 pm

BoyScoutGirl wrote:Psst... the radii are the spokes.


Glad you showed up to clear up that detail. So, are you here to correct the thread "Spoke versus radius..." or were you just waiting to correct me?
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 28, 2014 2:51 pm

BoyScoutGirl wrote:Psst... the radii are the spokes.


Pssst. I respectfully disagree.

Plural of radius is radii, ie, circumferencials
Plural of radial is radials, ie, spokes.

Thus the radii are the annulars or circumferentials, not the radial, roads. :mrgreen:
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Just_Joe » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:05 pm

GreyCoyote wrote:Pssst. I respectfully disagree.

Plural of radius is radii, ie, circumferencials


The squiggly red line I'm now seeing under circumferencials tells me it's not even a word, so your credibility is suspect.
I think we need a ruling on this. JovenKat, you out there?!

Anyway, I think BBadger's got the right idea- navigate by smell.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:15 pm

Here ya go, but my paltry command of language shall, of course, yield to JovanCat. :mrgreen:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/circumferential
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:22 pm

Lonesomebri wrote:So, are you here to correct the thread "Spoke versus radius..." or were you just waiting to correct me?


Caught me there! Mostly, I was trying to elicit a lil' Snowball snark, one of my favorite flavors of snark.

GreyCoyote wrote:Plural of radius is radii...
Plural of radial is radials.


A fine distinction and a very good point... grammatically. Doesn't change the fact that a radius is a straight line drawn outward from the center of a circle. So, like the little doggie said, we need to reframe the original question.

This will probably best be accomplished by a committee of self-proclaimed "experts" with a 4-month planning cycle, and clipboards.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Jovankat » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:29 pm

Well considering how much consternation maths seems to cause maybe we should steer away from geometry and instead refer to the two kinds of streets as letter streets and number streets. 8)
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:34 pm

I demand to see your qualifications, madame! Surely you could not propose a clear, coherent solution to our conundrum without a clipboard, at least?
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Jovankat » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:38 pm

I have a degree in clipboard carrying. Not even kidding.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 28, 2014 3:45 pm

Here is the official poop from our scientific friends:
-A radial is a vector of determinate orientation and indeterminate length extending from a point in space. A radial is measured as a vector angle relative to that point against a specific origin reference.
- A radius is a determinate distance of indeterminate direction inscribed about a point. A radius is measured as the simple distance from the point of origin.

Thus:
The travel of the hands of the clock describe a radius, but the instantaneous value of that sweep is measured in radial terms (ie, 5:00)
The length of the hands of the clock occupy a radial, but the length on that radial is measured by its radius (ie "G street")

Put all those advanced maths (hehehe) together and you have 5 (the radial) and G (the radius), which of course marks the precise spot where the BEST bacon tamales will be served. :mrgreen:
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:05 pm

My argument is clearly invalid, for it lacked both bacon and tamales.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby GreyCoyote » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:13 pm

BoyScoutGirl wrote:My argument is clearly invalid, for it lacked both bacon and tamales.


Sunbeam will fix that for ya right quick. 5 and G. Look for the butt nekkie bicycle repair dude. The password is "Maths". :mrgreen:
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Lonesomebri » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:41 pm

I vote we call them avenues and lanes. I can only hope that some small details of this discourse remain with me for when I am lost, struggling to drunkenly find my way down the avenues and lanes, staggering uncomfortably close to strangers and imploring them for help finding my way home. "....is this the circumcision or the radio !?!?!?"
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby Sunbeam56 » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:51 pm

Wander in, Bri... Plenty of floor space in the dome :)
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby andy » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:54 pm

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Radial streets get much more traffic, but it seems most people are using it to get somewhere. Circumferential streets get less traffic, but more people are out exploring on them, so they tend to stop in. The big nerd in me also wants to analyze traffic to see what the traffic flow is like. Ooh ... so data centric ...[/quote]

I've experienced something similar when I did trade shows. I would pay extra for a corner booth (exposure to both the main aisle and a cross aisle) but found that though lots of people were using the cross aisle but they were mostly going somewhere and rarely stopping to look.
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Re: Spoke versus radius street camp location?

Postby trilobyte » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:06 pm

I'm giving this a nudge over to Shelter & Camping, since I think that's a better fit.

I agree that the spoke streets tend to be a bit higher traffic - you probably especially noticed that on burn night in years past. That's not to say the alphabet streets are dead, they're just a bit more like neighborhoods than a busy road with a near-constant stream of traffic.

Another consideration - if you're in the middle of an alphabet street, you're more likely in close range to more porta-potties. When you're on the spoke, the only ones close are the ones on that spoke with you. When you're on the alphabet block, there are banks on the spokes in either direction. Your mileage may vary, but I find it's nice to have as many convenient options as possible :D
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