48_love wrote:Just some Interwebz snark ...
Also, appropriating history to get on a soap box and make some point about Burning Man just seems a stretch. A futile stretch.
ZaphodBurner wrote:Second, Leonidas didn't just defend Greece, I said he defended DEMOCRACY.* The Spartans and associated Greeks that rallied under him at Thermopylae delayed the Persians, who were seeking to DESTROY ATHENS, THE VERY CRADLE OF DEMOCRACY.
The concept of Democracy survived the Persian invasion, but when the Persians sacked cities they destroyed everything in them, and so the world really has no idea what other great ideas were lost. It is believed that Athenian observers held astronomical calculations and a helio-centric model of the solar system, but these were destroyed by the Persians of Darius or Xerses.
Ergo, were it not for the most aggressively warlike and institutionally-violent civilization in the history of the human species--the human Klingons--Democracy would have vanished from the world consciousness entirely by 300 BC. Gandhi would not have been able to sit on a blanket and resist the Persians because they would have simply trampled him into the soil.
( I betcha they don't teach THAT shit at Berkeley. )
Eric wrote:Such an incredibly Euro-centric view of the world. The Persian Empire was much more advanced in many ways than the Greek states, and frankly Greece (specifically Epirus, Thessaly and everything south) was an irritating gnat on the left side of nowhere for it. Also, like I said above, Athenian Democracy was crushed 100 years later anyway.
Eric wrote:You are absolutely correct- Ghandi would be crushed by the Persians, just like Leonidas eventually was. ... Taking a figure out of their historical context and placing them in another is a frivolous game.
Which shows more courage- standing with a gun to face your enemies knowing you probably can kill some; or being the lone man standing in front of a tank in Tienanmen Square, knowing at best you'll be beaten & imprisoned.
ZaphodBurner wrote:This is all obviously a philosophical exercise, because you and I both know there's no way Gandhi would allow Burners to use flamethrowers against the Spartans. Which brings us to: What would Gandhi think of Burning Man? Are we cherry-picking his wisdom a little, our would you have found him sipping tea at the temple with Jesus and Larry?
lemur wrote:THIS THREAD NEEDS MORE CAPS AND HUGE FONTS........ IN RED
Eric wrote:He would probably wonder why we were wasting our time & money playing in the desert when there are hungry people outside our doors, homeless people across the country, rights being taken away...
He would also be finding sparkle ponies to "celibately" sleep next to, to prove his will power...
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