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Postby ygmir » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:31 pm

well, there have been several such events in earths history.
each time, life was almost wiped out.
it was a cataclysmic event, unfair, random, arbitrary, and no one thought about how it would effect earth and it's inhabitants.
I can imagine all the creatures sitting there, saying "who the fuck came up with this ice-age (or insert your favorite calamity) idea?

and yet, each time, a whole new paradigm evolved.
The dust settled, life went on, things grew, and well, it was different.

Each age, was "the best" for "someone".

Each "event" wiped ,most of them out.......and let others step up.

heck, the asteroid impact 65-ish million years ago, was a real bummer for the dinosaurs, and most everything else, well, except those funny little warm blooded furry creatures...............
they seem to have kept coming and well............


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Re: mass extictions

Postby MyDearFriend » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:36 pm

You might be ready to lie down and fossilize, but, I am not... 8)
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Re: mass extictions

Postby ygmir » Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:46 pm

MyDearFriend wrote:You might be ready to lie down and fossilize, but, I am not... 8)


*scratching head*

dang, did I miss my point?
I was trying to say, we can keep going, work with what we have, and see what happens?
This might kill some parts, but, that might encourage other things to develop.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby MyDearFriend » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:21 pm

Oh, well, you are the god in this picture. 8)
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Re: mass extictions

Postby lucky420 » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:29 pm

mmm don't believe in god here but I do like your evolution theory ygmir :)
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Re: mass extictions

Postby bigdane » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:31 pm

oh I get it...and I like it!!
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Postby FIGJAM » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:38 pm

I've experienced mass exshrinktion, does that count? :?
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Re: mass extictions

Postby 5280MeV » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:42 pm

Interesting metaphor, but I hope it is more of a migration and adaptation than extinction.

This urge to build things in a remote location - the wonderful camps that people create, I hope that it doesn't just die off at the edge of the Black Rock desert after Labor Day.

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Re: mass extictions

Postby ygmir » Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:59 pm

I think I see the extinction part, as that of the large theme and sound camps.
I'm not saying that's what I want or anything, just seein' that if they don't get their crews, it may not happen.
but, in their places, may evolve other camps, maybe other themes, run by other folks.
Still "life", just a different paradigm............
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Re: mass extictions

Postby MyDearFriend » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:25 pm

Well it's interesting to see it as an evolutionary move rather than a catastrophic mass extinction. Two very different things, to my mind, so I am glad you are not contemplating the destruction of BRC from space. 8)

I was reading in Scientific American today (actually last August's issue, wonder why I hadn't got around to that one yet...?), a very interesting article about the explosion of relatively sophisticated and stable human culture about 30,000 years ago, when the Neandertals died out and modern humans took over. It seems that a big change came when people started living longer, and began reaping the benefits of having grandparents around as a resource. Experienced people seem to be a real evolutionary advantage.

And yes Lucky I have been drinking quite a lot of whiskey tonight! :lol:
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Re: mass extictions

Postby ygmir » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:28 pm

MyDearFriend wrote:Well it's interesting to see it as an evolutionary move rather than a catastrophic mass extinction. Two very different things, to my mind, so I am glad you are not contemplating the destruction of BRC from space. 8)

I was reading in Scientific American today (actually last August's issue, wonder why I hadn't got around to that one yet...?), a very interesting article about the explosion of relatively sophisticated and stable human culture about 30,000 years ago, when the Neandertals died out and modern humans took over. It seems that a big change came when people started living longer, and began reaping the benefits of having grandparents around as a resource. Experienced people seem to be a real evolutionary advantage.

And yes Lucky I have been drinking quite a lot of whiskey tonight! :lol:


well, yay, experience may make us more valuable.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:34 pm

Ah, punctuated equilibrium.

As an evolutionary biologist studying diversification rates, I approve of this message. Mass extinctions are followed by rapid radiations into diverse new forms. MyDearFriend gave a good example, but it does happen on much larger scales. Looking at the phylogenetic trees ("maps" of species through time), you can see those points in time where are particular lineage suddenly becomes more fecund, despite - or even because of - others dying off. Hey, this almost ties in with the theme...
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Re: mass extictions

Postby MyDearFriend » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:46 pm

ygmir wrote:
well, yay, experience may make us more valuable.


People my age tend to think so. :lol: But I certainly feel as if my equilibrium has been punctuated! It will be interesting to see what comes of all this turmoil and change.

I don't expect I'll see anything from the ground, though, except dust... and dust is what I really want to see. I miss it.

Ensimismada, I am imagining your Punctuated Equilibrium Camp, a teeter-totter obstacle course leading out in several directions... 8)
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Re: mass extictions

Postby theCryptofishist » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:48 pm

And I think scales and large foam question marks.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby MyDearFriend » Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:53 pm

...fancy cocktails or an empty water bottle, depending on which path you follow?
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Re: mass extictions

Postby BoyScoutGirl » Sat Feb 04, 2012 1:25 am

Punctuated inebriation for all!
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Re: mass extictions

Postby International Incident » Sat Feb 04, 2012 2:35 am

I love this thread...

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And yes, Yggy, MDF, fishy et al - you are bloody awesome.

Keep the forward momentum going.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby Isotopia » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:26 am

If prayer works to cure cancer and other such maladies, why is its track record so poor for curing people who've lost arms, legs, fingers and... boobs or testicles?
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Re: mass extictions

Postby Isotopia » Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:27 am

Hey, I'm just asking.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby gyre » Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:08 am

The survival of life seems almost inevitable.


There seems to be no similar need for sentience.
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Postby MyDearFriend » Sat Feb 04, 2012 6:32 am

"Punctuated inebriation," I really like that, ensimismsada!

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Re: mass extictions

Postby burner von braun » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:06 am

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Re: mass extictions

Postby Elderberry » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:13 am

ygmir wrote:I think I see the extinction part, as that of the large theme and sound camps.
I'm not saying that's what I want or anything, just seein' that if they don't get their crews, it may not happen.
but, in their places, may evolve other camps, maybe other themes, run by other folks.
Still "life", just a different paradigm............

We have that already. It's called Juplaya.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby some seeing eye » Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:53 am

I have seen this in social systems. In any good size city there are various in-person meetups for music, art and cultural events by otherwise unrelated people. If they grow organically by word of mouth within a subculture and friendships, even very close bonds, result. It is how microculture is built. But if the meetups are announced in the mass media or broadly on the interwebs, there is a huge influx of new people who don't know one another and everyone just stands around being shy, and they don't display the social norms that allow them to connect with the other strangers. The close bonds of trust that allow deep collaboration to happen don't occur.

Same with global warming, ecosystems that took 15,000 years to develop, will shift in less than 150 and it won't be pretty, because opportunistic plants, bugs and weeds will adapt quickly, but forests, for instance will not.

Speculation, the dance party genome is pretty opportunistic and adaptable over a wide range of social bond strengths.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby 5280MeV » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:21 am

ygmir wrote:I think I see the extinction part, as that of the large theme and sound camps.
I'm not saying that's what I want or anything, just seein' that if they don't get their crews, it may not happen.
but, in their places, may evolve other camps, maybe other themes, run by other folks.
Still "life", just a different paradigm............


I think that what I mean to say is that I hope that the people behind the large camps ultimately take something away from the experience, that they keep building and creating - either things that are suited to the new environment, or creating in new environments, or making their own events from the ground up.

I never saw myself as becoming a big theme camp person - I like the potential personal creativity and survivalism.

I have been daydreaming about swarm or herd camps - camps that are unified around a general aesthetic or theme, but basically self-organize around a protocol rather than a core team.

Could you even do a sound camp with a potluck of marine batteries, strings of LED lights and homemade effects, solar cells, a primitive power grid, and individual active speakers? Maybe - but you cannot do it all night every night, and you cannot reasonably do a 100 kW sound system. Do we really need so many 100 kW sound systems, though? To me the intensity and originality of an experience is much more important than the raw size of the experience.
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Re: mass extictions

Postby ygmir » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:35 am

5280MeV wrote:
ygmir wrote:I think I see the extinction part, as that of the large theme and sound camps.
I'm not saying that's what I want or anything, just seein' that if they don't get their crews, it may not happen.
but, in their places, may evolve other camps, maybe other themes, run by other folks.
Still "life", just a different paradigm............


I think that what I mean to say is that I hope that the people behind the large camps ultimately take something away from the experience, that they keep building and creating - either things that are suited to the new environment, or creating in new environments, or making their own events from the ground up.

I never saw myself as becoming a big theme camp person - I like the potential personal creativity and survivalism.

I have been daydreaming about swarm or herd camps - camps that are unified around a general aesthetic or theme, but basically self-organize around a protocol rather than a core team.

Could you even do a sound camp with a potluck of marine batteries, strings of LED lights and homemade effects, solar cells, a primitive power grid, and individual active speakers? Maybe - but you cannot do it all night every night, and you cannot reasonably do a 100 kW sound system. Do we really need so many 100 kW sound systems, though? To me the intensity and originality of an experience is much more important than the raw size of the experience.


and therein lies the beauty, IMHO.
"to each their own"

some like ear popping, eye bleeding bass thumps. And if they can do it, then, well.....do it.

I'm happy, with Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and The Doors, on a 100W car stereo, with two speakers, and sitting with some friends, chatting, drinking, dancing and cavorting.

Do I go to big sound camps? no.
Do I begrudge them their existence? no.
Do I like the fact, that, anyone, can do anything (not stepping on others) they want, by virtue of their "might and mane"? YES!

for each of us, it is EXACTLY, what we make of it, by our attitudes, thoughts, and actions.
We're only limited by our own minds. And, should accept judgement, from no one. (though they may well offer)

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Re: mass extictions

Postby unjonharley » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:38 am

A fine string of peal cast before swine..
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Re: mass extictions

Postby Bob » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:43 am

Isotopia wrote:If prayer works to cure cancer and other such maladies, why is its track record so poor for curing people who've lost arms, legs, fingers and... boobs or testicles?


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Re: mass extictions

Postby lemur » Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:45 am

didnt make terri schiavo a nobel prize winner
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