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Postby cowboyangel » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:00 am

From Occupy Wall St.

As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians, who are responsible for regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives or provide relief in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantial profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*

To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.

Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.

To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.

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Postby trilobyte » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:20 am

Don't forget 'The Guy' - he's got to be a part of it to.
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Postby Sola Gangsta » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:28 am

Any chance that Larry Harvey will make the 2012 theme "Burn Wall Street"? Maybe relocate it to Times Square this coming year for the sake of OWS? That might actually be more challenging than camping in the desert...

But I doubt it. He's probably heavily invested in the stock market himself.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 1:51 pm

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:24 pm

"On Wednesday morning, several people dressed in business attire stopped and chatted amicably with the protesters, whose dress was a bit less formal. One woman in a suit dropped off bottles of water, and a man carrying a briefcase handed off a bag of Kit-Kats to a protester as he passed."

Cant protest but want to help?

call in pizza's and have them delivered to the Occupy of your Choice.

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby cowboyangel » Wed Oct 05, 2011 5:57 pm

Hey check the latest from the king of Wall St: asshole. The SOB out to check out http://lcurve.org That New York Asshat is the problem.


Mayor Michael Bloomberg is threatening to shut down democracy on Wall Street.

You might expect that from a man who is the fourth-wealthiest person in America, with $19.5 billion dollars in his pocket. Moreover, Bloomberg made a lot of money as a Wall Street financier, but he catapulted into the multibillionaire category by revolutionizing financial market information and selling a specialized terminal and access services to the financial industry (followed by Bloomberg media services).

In short, his fortune is directly integrated into the Wall Street status quo.

That may be why he told a New York City radio show host last week that "New Yorkers need 'to help the banks.'" The Village Voice headlined its story on the plutocratic pronouncements of Bloomberg, "Mayor Bloomberg: 'We'll See' If The City Will Let Occupy Wall Street Continue."

Bloomberg seemed in a baronial haze, claiming, "The protesters are protesting against people who make $40-50,000 a year and are struggling to make ends meet. That's the bottom line." Is the mayor mainlining Fox "news" as his source of information? He royally added, "so anything we can do that's responsible to help the banks ... that is what we need."

Yesterday, BuzzFlash at Truthout wrote that there is little doubt that law enforcement officials - at the behest of corporate-backed politicians - are infiltrating and planning ways to discredit the Wall Street autumn of democracy.

In his plutocratic cloud of personal financial interest and self-serving disdain for the right of assembly, Bloomberg resembles a monarchist, not a mayor.

If the Occupy Wall Street movement spreads and grows, you can count on Mayor Bloomberg to pull the curtains down on this exercise in America's basic right of redress.

As Thom Hartmann noted in a book excerpted on Truthout, Thomas Jefferson warned that "the artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendancy."

Bloomberg is just waiting to snap the mouse trap shut on democracy.
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:24 pm

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Postby Bob » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:42 pm

Don't make me post Chief Seattle's speech.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:04 pm

"HIS NAME IS ROBERT PAULSON"
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby cowboyangel » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:51 pm

Yet another display of Wall St greed that is killing people and Goldman at the helm of this death ship called commodities speculation....



Speculation in Agricultural Commodities: Driving up the Price of Food Worldwide and plunging Millions into Hunger
CFTC treads water on world hunger

by Edward Miller




The Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) has again delayed the introduction of position limits required under the Dodd-Frank Act. These limits are intended to prevent speculation in (among other things) agricultural commodities, speculation which, many critics argue, have driven up the price of food worldwide and plunged millions into hunger.

In late 2006, the price of food and other commodities began rising precipitately, continuing throughout 2007 and peaking in 2008. Millions were cast below the poverty line and food riots erupted across the developing world, from Haiti to Mozambique. While analysts initially framed the crisis in terms of market fundamentals (such as rising population, increased demand for resource-intensive food, declining stockpiles, biofuel and agricultural subsidies, and crop shortfalls from natural disasters), a growing number of experts have tied the massive spikes to financial intermediation. As economist Jayati Ghosh explains:

“It is now quite widely acknowledged that financial speculation was the major factor behind the sharp price rise of many primary commodities , including agricultural items over the past year ... Even recent research from the World Bank (Bafis and Haniotis 2010) recognizes the role played by the “financialisation of commodities” in the price surges and declines, and notes that price variability has overwhelmed price trends for important commodities.”

Trading Regulation for Financialisation

This kind of speculation was made possible by deregulation in the US financial sector, in particular the Commodity Futures Modernization Act 2000 (CFMA), exempting commodity futures trading from regulatory oversight. Crucially for our narrative, this removed limits on the number of contracts that could be held at any one time (called position limits) from the equation. Firms like Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and Barclays began developing index funds (collective investment schemes) based on these commodities, specializing in buying futures contracts in the belief that the future price will be higher than the present price. Journalist Fred Kaufman eloquently stated this in his Harpers article ‘The Food Bubble’:

“Goldman Sachs envisioned a new form of commodities investment, a product for investors who had no taste for the complexities of corn or soy or wheat, no interest in weather and weevils, and no desire for getting into and out of shorts and longs - investors who wanted nothing more than to park a great deal of money somewhere, then sit back and watch that pile grow.”



All manner of institutional investors began dumping capital into these funds, driving prices, and profits, through the roof:

“As the global financial system became fragile with the continuing implosion of the US housing finance market, large investor, especially institutional investors such as hedge funds and pension funds and even banks, searched for other avenues of investment to find new sources for profit. Commodity speculation increasingly emerged as an important area for such financial investment.”

Traditionally, futures contracts play an important role in price discovery, reducing the price risk of the commodity itself. However without a limit to the number of commodity futures contracts that could be held, investors were able to withhold huge amounts of food from entering the market. When combined with the real supply and demand factors mentioned above, this spelt volatile price spikes; between 2005 and 2008 the price of maize nearly tripled, wheat prices increased by 127%, and rice by 170%. Throughout the crisis, at least 40 million people went driven into hunger, and the number of people driven into extreme poverty rose from 130 to 150 million.

And worse, this speculation wasn’t limited to the 2007-2008 period. While commodity prices fell again in 2009, the latter half of 2010 saw them again skyrocket, reaching an all-time high at the end of that year, and remaining high into this year. Today, over a billion people remain hungry, while wealthy investors continue to reap huge profits by gambling on the stomachs of the world’s most vulnerable.

Dodd-Frank Reform

Following the global financial crisis, Representative Barney Frank and the Chairman of the Senate Banking Committee Chris Dodd proposed legislation to boost US financial stability. The Dodd-Frank Act provided sweeping financial reforms to the US financial sector, including reforms to commodity futures regulation. Section 737 (4) requires the CFTC to ‘establish limits on the amount of positions, as appropriate, other than bona fide hedge position, that may be held by any person with respect to contracts of sale for future delivery or with respect to options on the contracts or commodities traded on or subject to the rules of a designated contract market.’ These limits should, ‘to the maximum extent practicable ... diminish, eliminate, or prevent excessive speculation ... [and] deter and prevent market manipulation, squeezes and corners...”.

So far so good right, problem solved? Think again. The legislation provided a 270-day window in which position limits were to be put in place, meaning that by the 17th of April this year, this problem should have been solved, or, at the very least, ameliorated. However that date came and went, and the CFTC failed to reach agreement. A new date was set for the 4th of October, however that date also came and went with no further advance. CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler responded, saying “We’re not trying to do this against a clock. We’re trying to do this in a way that gets it right. So a few more weeks is a small thing for us to be concerned with if we’re going to get it thought through in a better way.” The rules have now been delayed until October 18.

The Speculators Fight Back

The CFTC isn’t so much concerned with world hunger as its reason for regulating commodity futures, and has hardly addressed the issue in public statements. However futures trading also affects other commodities such as oil, gold and silver, all of which have risen sharply over the past few years. Robert Pollin and James Heintz of the Political Economy Research Institute at the University of Massachusetts calculate that,

“...the average US consumer paid a 83-cent-per-gallon premium in May for their gasoline purchases due to the huge rise in the speculative futures market for oil. Considering the US economy as a whole, this translates into a speculation premium of over $1 billion for May alone. Of the May price were to hold for a year, that would mean that the speculative premium would total $12 billion.”

The price of oil seems to be the CFTC’s main focus regarding position limits. And its something that is hotly contested, as speculative investors recoil in horror at the idea of their profit blade being diminished. Their effect is indeed being felt, as Reuters reported in mid-September that internal strife at the CFTC had slowed the progress of the position limits rule, and they were struggling to harmonise it with other regulations required under Dodd-Frank.

Leaked documents give us a picture of what the final regulation might look like. The CFTC has proposed a limit of 25% of the deliverable supply of the underlying commodity, a pitifully weak threshold that would allow four financial entities to dominate an entire commodity market. Indeed these limits might even encourage speculation, while other proposed rules would allow companies to avoid aggregating positions in different trading accounts, provided accounts are independently controlled and firewalls are imposed between trading desks. This would be very difficult to regulate, and provides banks with a set of loopholes big enough to drive a Wall Street bailout or bonus through. Traders who exceed futures limits would also be able to use swaps (derivatives that allows parties to exchange benefits of their respective financial instruments) to reduce their net position.

Asleep at the Wheel? Let’s see who’s driving...

Still, it should come as no real surprise that the limits being toyed with by the CFTC fail to address the problem of excessive speculation. CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler himself spent 18 years at Goldman Sachs, had made partner by the time he was 30, and eventually became the company’s co-head of finance. He subsequently worked as the undersecretary for domestic finance at the Treasury Department during the Clinton era, during which time he advocated the passage of the CFMA mentioned above. Commissioner Jill E Sommers also worked closely with congressional staff on the drafting of the CFMA, while another Comissioner, Scott D O’Malia, lobbied for the repeal of the Public Utility Holding Company Act, legislation that was directed at curbing speculation by energy and water utilities.

These viewpoints dominate the CFTC, and they represent the extent of regulatory capture that the finance industry holds over Washington. In light of this, it is little wonder that the proposed limits leaked from the CFTC do little to rein in excessive speculation. Added to this is the fact that the CFTC’s funding hangs in the balance. While the Senate Appropriations Committee recently approved a bill raising the CFTC budget (from $202 million to $240 million for 2012), it is unclear how this will be reconciled with a House bill that cuts the CFTC’s funding to $171.9 million.

Still, all is not lost. Within the CFTC, the other camp is headed by Commissioner Bart Chilton, a vocal supporter of position limits, who has spoken out strongly against speculation in commodity markets, especially the silver market (in late 2010 he revealed that a single trader controlled 40% of the market).

Anti-Excessive Speculation Act 2011

More promising is the Anti-Excessive Speculation Act of 2011, intended to “prevent excessive speculation in commodity markets and excessive speculative position limits on energy contracts...” Democratic Senator Bill Nelson of Florida and Representative Peter Welch introduced matching bills in late September 2011 to cap position limits at a level that reflects market fundamentals of supply and demand.

Section 5(7) of that Act defines an excessive speculative position as a position that affects “more than 5 percent of the estimated deliverable supply of the same commodity,” a drastic reduction on the amount of a commodity than can be gambled on than under either the present scenario or the leaked regulations from the CFTC. While a number of Democrats support the initiative, the massive support the Democratic Party has received from the finance industry would likely mitigate its passage in the Senate, or in the Republican-led House of Representatives for that matter. Indeed, it is would be unlikely that Congress would bother intervening while the CFTC, a supposedly expert, non-partisan body, is still busy delaying in this area.

And all the while as Washington and Wall Street bounce back and forth on this issue, commodity prices hover just below their all-time high and over a billion people continue to starve.

While the zombie bankers and blood-sucking speculators mightn’t realize it, food is a human right, and we need to recognize that the rights of humanity are far too important to be left to the market.

Edward Miller is an activist based in New Zealand focussing on issues regarding food, energy, trade and the environment. He has degrees in philosophy and law from the University of Auckland.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Oct 06, 2011 6:45 am

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:22 pm

The American Dream is not dead, yet.

Once upon a time, We used to have respect for the Corridors of Power, we used to cherish the ideals that this country was founded on. Freedom of speech, Freedom of and from religion, Freedom of the press, Individual rights and liberties, Hard Work, Brotherhood towards our Fellow man, Respect for our Elders, Common decency, Fair Play, and for those with Means, ...Noblesse Oblige. (google it)

the American Dream has always been dangled in front of us like a carrot on a stick, we can all be horatio Alger, we can all win American Idol, we can all be like mike.

truth is, Yes, We can.

we need to level the playing field though, it has long been slanted against us.

thats all we want, a fair chance to live the American dream.

And to see that our Children and Their Children get that chance as well.

The Greed that pervades wall st. is a cancer on our society an must be dealt with as such if we are to heal as a Nation.

Cancer, CAN be cured without killing the patient.

not to quote Eminem Here, but "We Need a Doctor".
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Postby Bob » Thu Oct 06, 2011 7:32 pm

How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the Earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every clear and humming insect is holy in the memory and experience of my people. The sap which courses through the trees carries the memory and experience of my people. The sap which courses through the trees carries the memories of the red man.

The white man's dead forget the country of their birth when they go to walk among the stars. Our dead never forget this beautiful Earth, for it is the mother of the red man. We are part of the Chief Seattle Earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters, the deer, the horse, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the juices in the meadows, the body heat of the pony, and the man, all belong to the same family.

So, when the Great Chief in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land, he asks much of us. The Great White Chief sends word he will reserve us a place so that we can live comfortably to ourselves. He will be our father and we will be his children. So we will consider your offer to buy land. But it will not be easy. For this land is sacred to us.

This shining water that moves in streams and rivers is not just water but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you land, you must remember that it is sacred blood of our ancestors. If we sell you land, you must remember that it is sacred, and you must teach your children that it is sacred and that each ghostly reflection in the clear water of the lakes tells of events in the life of my people. The waters murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers of our brothers they quench our thirst. The rivers carry our canoes and feed our children. If we sell you our land, you must remember to teach your children that the rivers are our brothers, and yours, and you must henceforth give the rivers the kindness that you would give my brother. We know that the white man does not understand our ways. One portion of land is the same to him as the next, for he is a stranger who comes in the night and takes from the land whatever he needs. The Earth is not his brother, but his enemy and when he has conquered it, he moves on. He leaves his father's graves behind, and he does not care. He kidnaps the Earth from his children, and he does not care.

His father's grave, and his children's birthright are forgotten. He treats his mother, the Earth, and his brother, the same, as things to be bought, plundered, sold like sheep or bright beads. His appetite will devour the Earth and leave behind only a desert.

I do not know. Our ways are different from yours ways. The sight of your cities pains the eyes of the red man. But perhaps it is because the red man is a savage and does not understand.

There is no quiet place in the white man's cities. No place to hear the unfurling of leaves in spring, or the rustle of an insect's wings. But perhaps it is because I am a savage and do not understand. The clatter only seems to insult the ears. And what is there to life if a man cannot hear the lonely cry of a whippoorwill or the arguments of the frogs around a pond at night. I am a red man and do not understand. The Indian prefers the soft sound of the wind darting over the face of the pond, and the smell of the wind itself, cleansed by a midday rain, or scented with the pinon pine.

The air is precious to the red man, for all things share the same breath - the beast, the tree, the man, they all share the same breath. The white man does not seem to notice the air he breathes. Like a man dying for many days, he is numb to the stench. But if we sell you our land, you must remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also receives his last sigh. And if we sell you our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where even the white man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow's flowers.

So we will consider your offer to buy our land. If we decide to accept, I will make one condition - the white man must treat the beasts of this land as his brothers.

I am a savage and do not understand any other way. I have seen a thousand rotting buffaloes on the prairie, left by the white man who shot them from a passing train. I am a savage and do not understand how the smoking iron horse can be made more important than the buffalo that we kill only to stay alive.

What is man without the beasts? If all the beasts were gone, man would die from a great loneliness of the spirit. For whatever happens to the beasts, soon happens to man. All things are connected.

You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of our grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the Earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the Earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the Earth befalls the sons of the Earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves.

This we know - the Earth does not belong to man - man belongs to the Earth. This we know. All things are connected like the blood which unites one family. All things are connected.

Whatever befalls the Earth - befalls the sons of the Earth. Man did not weave the web of life - he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

Even the white man, whose God walks and talks with him as friend to friend, cannot be exempt from the common destiny. We may be brothers after all. We shall see. One thing we know, which the white man may one day discover - Our God is the same God. You may think now that you own Him as you wish to own our land, but you cannot. He is the God of man, and His compassion is equal for red man and the white. The Earth is precious to Him, and to harm the Earth is to heap contempt on its creator. The whites too shall pass, perhaps sooner than all other tribes.

But in your perishing you will shine brightly, fired by the strength of the God who brought you to this land and for some special purpose gave you dominion over this land and over the red man. That destiny is a mystery to us, for we do not understand when the buffalo are slaughtered, the wild horses tamed, the secret corners of the forest heavy with scent of many men, and the view of the ripe hills blotted by talking wires. Where is the thicket? Gone. Where is the Eagle? Gone. The end of living and the beginning of survival.

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Postby cowboyangel » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:13 pm

Wow Bob, I didn't know ya had it in ya. Thanks, except for the electric pink font color...I like Larry Flint but Jeez.......
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Postby Sola Gangsta » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:26 pm

Bob wrote:[color=#FF00BF]How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?


Well someone is also trying to buy time, literally and copyright it to make it private information, by suing Arthur Olson who is maintainer of the Olson time zone database of which I am a part:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

I am unfortunately responsible for sparking one of the largest lawsuits involving UNIX/Linux servers throughout the world because a company that has tried to hire me and failed (Astrolabe, Inc) has decided to try to undercut my support by eliminating my ability to do time zone updates in my software.

This is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with the world. Next someone will try to charge you for the air you breathe, by polluting the atmosphere and putting fresh air on supermarket shelves.
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Postby MOOP_Nazi » Thu Oct 06, 2011 10:36 pm

Sola Gangsta wrote:This is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with the world. Next someone will try to charge you for the air you breathe, by polluting the atmosphere and putting fresh air on supermarket shelves.


Brilliant!!!

I have started my people working on this issue.

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 07, 2011 6:56 am

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby tiredofbeingnice » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:24 am

I think it's called convenience. If you are buying water in a bottle it could be for many reasons but I would suspect the common theme you will find in water purchases is that the customer is thirsty and they dont have any water in their posession. We live in a time period where you can get drinkable water all over the place.

Yes... there is also free water all around, but you have to put in work to get it. Is it really evil to provide clean water to places that it would otherwise not be available? I think ultimately the biggest damage i see being done via this system is in the transport of the product because we are still using gas to transport pretty much everything. [u]Luckily[/u] gas is a severly limited resource and humans will be forced to find "alternative energy".

Hypothetical: If humans can get to a place where energy is sustainably produced would there still be a problem with bottling water?
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby MOOP_Nazi » Fri Oct 07, 2011 7:29 am

Not if someone invents a way to power vehicles with plasic bottles!

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Elderberry » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:45 am

You can already sell the air. Talk to any developer or realtor about selling or buying air rights.
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby cowboyangel » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:50 am

Sola Gangsta wrote:
Bob wrote:[color=#FF00BF]How can you buy or sell the sky, the warmth of the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?


Well someone is also trying to buy time, literally and copyright it to make it private information, by suing Arthur Olson who is maintainer of the Olson time zone database of which I am a part:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

I am unfortunately responsible for sparking one of the largest lawsuits involving UNIX/Linux servers throughout the world because a company that has tried to hire me and failed (Astrolabe, Inc) has decided to try to undercut my support by eliminating my ability to do time zone updates in my software.

This is exactly the kind of thing that is wrong with the world. Next someone will try to charge you for the air you breathe, by polluting the atmosphere and putting fresh air on supermarket shelves.



Corporate culture places profit at all costs above all else. I don't know if the guys from Tuna Camp still go to the burn but in 2004 they were telling me about a mega corporation fishing plan to par-sect the sea itself outside of rich northern California and coastal Oregon waters. Imagine renting the sea.....

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Re: OCCUPY YOUR CUBICLE!

Postby Simon of the Playa » Fri Oct 07, 2011 8:59 am

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:00 am

I am glad the "99%" is finding its voice, but I am not sure what influence this will have over the power elite.
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Postby H.G.Crosby » Fri Oct 07, 2011 9:02 am

true dougly, but it does give us something to talk about while we're power lunching.
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Postby davink » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:30 pm

^ LOL

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby unjonharley » Fri Oct 07, 2011 1:44 pm

I still do not see a target.. These groups need to take better aim..
So far they have aimlessly taken up space on some city streets..
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:11 pm

I think these are the folks who came back from TTITD with a case of the blues:
"What the fuck, let's hold Burning Man in Manhattan!"

Maybe they'll come up with a progressive agenda that works.
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Postby Elderberry » Fri Oct 07, 2011 3:54 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:I think these are the folks who came back from TTITD with a case of the blues:
"What the fuck, let's hold Burning Man in Manhattan!"

Maybe they'll come up with a progressive agenda that works.

We can only hope.
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