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Postby graidawg » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:33 pm

davink wrote:I think the Guy Fawkes masks are silly. He was only one of 13 conspirators, today the individual most associated with the failed Gunpowder Plot of 1605.



its actually a reference to V for vendatta. started in 2000 ad but made into a film, where the protaganist was against the system, and he got everyone in the city to put on a mask like his when started his attack. that attack didnt fail.

but again its not a guy fawkes reference its popular culture.
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Postby Eric » Tue Oct 04, 2011 12:35 pm

moonrise wrote:Simon, perhpas leave the socks in the drawer; this is too interesting to risk a locked thread IMO.


It takes a lot for us to lock a thread, don't worry about that.
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby moonrise » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:02 pm

"Ten Four" Eric.

Yea, and after the power elites "gut the USA" they'll simply fly away in jets, to beautiful places all over the globe and never look back again. Afterall, they've done their "JOB" and will simply relax in pleasant retirement. (let's hope NOT)


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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Bob » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:11 pm

You can get the V masks at any party/Halloween shoppe.

Making them as tedious as pink wigs or Sith makeup at bunringman.

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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Eric » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:16 pm

Bob wrote:You can get the V masks at any party/Halloween shoppe.


and everytime someone buys one, TimeWarner get's a cut of the profit. Oh, yeah, it's a licensed trademark....

So much for being the symbol of the anti-corporate movement...
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:23 pm

i put day-glo paint and glitter on mine.

hey, i'm participating, gimme a fucking break...
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Postby Bob » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:59 pm

Mask or not, nobody gets the bob hairdo or the bangs just right.
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby davink » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:40 pm

Sola Gangsta wrote:
Now there's your problem right there. You have a job and that is limiting your perspective. Quit your job, start your own business and you will begin to see how fucked up this system really is. Asking the crowd to "organize" their demands is just another way of saying "please let us (the elite) control the outcome". Chaos is probably what is needed at first because it puts the authorities off balance. So let them worry...


I should have prefaced this with saying I own 2 of my own businesses and I still have a full time job to help pay the bills. I also just lost my house last year (well, shortsold for 60k less than buying it new 3 years prior), and was unemployed for almost a year before getting divorced last December. I know what it's like to struggle. Trust me. But even when I'm in the ditches, I strive to do better and to keep smiling. The sweet isn't sweet without the sour.
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Postby Elderberry » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:43 pm

iPhone 4S? WTF?! Everybody was expecting the iPhone 5. Apple's stock dropped after the announcement.

BTW I hear that the Tea Party is trying to insert themselves into the OCCUPYWALLSTREET movement. :? :shock: :twisted: :evil:
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Postby ygmir » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:54 pm

jkisha wrote:iPhone 4S? WTF?! Everybody was expecting the iPhone 5. Apple's stock dropped after the announcement.

BTW I hear that the Tea Party is trying to insert themselves into the OCCUPYWALLSTREET movement. :? :shock: :twisted: :evil:


would that be bad? If two groups, agree on something, is it not good to join forces?
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Postby MOOP_Nazi » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:56 pm

Tea Party and either tomorrow or Thursday the Teamsters are marching with the OWS gang...

I'd pay to see a March with all three at once...
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Postby graidawg » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:57 pm

Eric wrote:
Bob wrote:You can get the V masks at any party/Halloween shoppe.


and everytime someone buys one, TimeWarner get's a cut of the profit. Oh, yeah, it's a licensed trademark....

So much for being the symbol of the anti-corporate movement...


are you sure Eric? :(

that really makes me sad as it was around before them
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Eric » Tue Oct 04, 2011 3:07 pm

graidawg wrote:
Eric wrote:
Bob wrote:You can get the V masks at any party/Halloween shoppe.


and everytime someone buys one, TimeWarner get's a cut of the profit. Oh, yeah, it's a licensed trademark....

So much for being the symbol of the anti-corporate movement...


are you sure Eric? :(

that really makes me sad as it was around before them


Grai- read the link (it's from the Guardian)- the current mask design is based on the one used in the movie, which is owned by TimeWarner. If someone started producing one based on an older design it would probably be fine, but it would take money to produce & I don't know if the banks would loan to this cause...
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Postby MOOP_Nazi » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:06 pm

Still, I would love the irony if this movement actually does create a significant change for that to be the face of it... Maybe they could actually march on the TW HQ? That'd be worth watching also!!
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Postby Sola Gangsta » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:16 pm

If OWS really wants to scare the elite, trade the masks for an old fashioned Yassir Arafat black/white checkered bandana.

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Postby moonrise » Tue Oct 04, 2011 4:17 pm

OWS! keep them guessing!!

Please try NOT to forget, some people deal with SERIOUS health issues, old age, etc.. perhaps they WANT to own and run several businesses and work a fulltime job, but simply cannot due to health issues, old age etc and the sky high cost of health care and allllll the other over-priced living expenses preventing them from the ability to do so.

The tired, old excuse 'life isn't fair' doesn't cut it anymore, things are TOO lopsided!

'...keep them guessing....' BEAUTIFUL! There's some 'sour' for those that deserve an extra BIG share of 'sour', it'll help sweeten the fine wine they guzzle down as they laugh at the protesters in the street. Let them drink vinegar.
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Re: OCCUPYWALLSTREET REINFORCEMENTS!

Postby Sola Gangsta » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:26 pm

davink wrote:I should have prefaced this with saying I own 2 of my own businesses and I still have a full time job to help pay the bills. I also just lost my house last year (well, shortsold for 60k less than buying it new 3 years prior), and was unemployed for almost a year before getting divorced last December. I know what it's like to struggle. Trust me. But even when I'm in the ditches, I strive to do better and to keep smiling. The sweet isn't sweet without the sour.


There's different levels of struggle; you to keep your house and marriage together; me to keep from starving to death or resorting to food stamps when I probably should have long ago. Being a survival expert, I've eaten many things that would make most people vomit. If the economy were to completely tank with the dollar worth as much as the deutschmark circa WWI, would you be able to survive in the wilderness? When you can say yes, then you will be set to ride this out with fewer worries.

Things are better for me now and my homelessness is by choice. I prefer it that way. It is like living burning man year round. Chief among the things that defaultia creates is alienation and my lifestyle is an antidote to this. This keeps me on the go engaged with other people and I get the local news up close and personal wherever I go and not the phony agenda driven news fueled by corporate interests. You can't do that sitting on a couch. It's too bad that not everyone can do this and others may have to find their own answers to these problems.
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Postby Elderberry » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:42 pm

You should write a book.
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davink wrote:I should have prefaced this with saying I own 2 of my own businesses and I still have a full time job to help pay the bills. I also just lost my house last year (well, shortsold for 60k less than buying it new 3 years prior), and was unemployed for almost a year before getting divorced last December. I know what it's like to struggle. Trust me. But even when I'm in the ditches, I strive to do better and to keep smiling. The sweet isn't sweet without the sour.


There's different levels of struggle; you to keep your house and marriage together; me to keep from starving to death or resorting to food stamps when I probably should have long ago. Being a survival expert, I've eaten many things that would make most people vomit. If the economy were to completely tank with the dollar worth as much as the deutschmark circa WWI, would you be able to survive in the wilderness? When you can say yes, then you will be set to ride this out with fewer worries.

Things are better for me now and my homelessness is by choice. I prefer it that way. It is like living burning man year round. Chief among the things that defaultia creates is alienation and my lifestyle is an antidote to this. This keeps me on the go engaged with other people and I get the local news up close and personal wherever I go and not the phony agenda driven news fueled by corporate interests. You can't do that sitting on a couch. It's too bad that not everyone can do this and others may have to find their own answers to these problems.
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Postby Zulegoona » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:28 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:http://venturebeat.com/2010/07/02/facial-recognition-camouflage/

It might be good if you don’t want coworkers to be able to use google or facebook to find pictures of you at Burning Man with a unicorn horn and a horsy tail butt plug.
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Postby Sola Gangsta » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:38 pm

jkisha wrote:You should write a book.


Probably not released while I'm still alive. If I wrote everything I knew about the business world, the BS lawsuits and tactics used against my business to try to destroy me (especially in the field that I'm in), I'd end up like Salman Rushdie on the run for the rest of my life.
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Postby Sola Gangsta » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:40 pm

Zulegoona wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:http://venturebeat.com/2010/07/02/facial-recognition-camouflage/

It might be good if you don’t want coworkers to be able to use google or facebook to find pictures of you at Burning Man with a unicorn horn and a horsy tail butt plug.


Just wear the horsy tail butt plug on your face, that should fix it!
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:41 pm

Zulegoona wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:http://venturebeat.com/2010/07/02/facial-recognition-camouflage/

It might be good if you don’t want coworkers to be able to use google or facebook to find pictures of you at Burning Man with a unicorn horn and a horsy tail butt plug.



you promised you would never show those to anyone.


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Postby arthur.graham » Tue Oct 04, 2011 8:42 pm

All I got to give is (hopefully) a smile...

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Postby cowboyangel » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:16 pm

Friends, this is some of the nasty shit going on behind the pillars of Wall St and why that edifice of human misery and profound greed needs to be thoroughly taken down.

Financial Warfare: "Sheared by the Shorts". How Short Sellers Fleece Investors

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“Unrestrained financial exploitations have been one of the great causes of our present tragic condition.” -- President Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933



Why did gold and silver stocks just get hammered, at a time when commodities are considered a safe haven against widespread global uncertainty? The answer, according to Bill Murphy’s newsletter LeMetropoleCafe.com, is that the sector has been the target of massive short selling. For some popular precious metal stocks, close to half the trades have been “phantom” sales by short sellers who did not actually own the stock.



A bear raid is the practice of targeting a stock or other asset for take-down, either for quick profits or for corporate takeover. Today the target is commodities, but tomorrow it could be something else. When Lehman Brothers went bankrupt in September 2008, some analysts thought the investment firm’s condition was no worse than its competitors’. What brought it down was not undercapitalization but a massive bear raid on 9-11 of that year, when its stock price dropped by 41% in a single day.



The stock market has been plagued by these speculative attacks ever since the four-year industry-wide bear raid called the Great Depression, when the Dow Jones Industrial Average was reduced to 10 percent of its former value. Whenever the market decline slowed, speculators would step in to sell millions of dollars worth of stock they did not own but had ostensibly borrowed just for purposes of sale, using the device known as the short sale. When done on a large enough scale, short selling can force prices down, allowing assets to be picked up very cheaply.



Another Great Depression is the short seller’s dream, as a trader recently admitted on a BBC interview. His candor was unusual, but his attitude is characteristic of a business that is all about making money, regardless of the damage done to real companies contributing real goods and services to the economy.



How the Game Is Played



Here is how the short selling scheme works: stock prices are set by traders called “market markers,” whose job is to match buyers with sellers. Short sellers willing to sell at the market price are matched with the highest buy orders first, but if sales volume is large, they wind up matched with the bargain-basement bidders, bringing the overall price down. Price is set by supply and demand, and when the supply of stocks available for sale is artificially high, the price drops. When the bear raiders are successful, they are able to buy back the stock to cover their short sales at a price that is artificially low.



Today they only have to trigger the “stop loss” orders of investors to initiate a cascade of selling. Many investors protect themselves from sudden drops in price by placing a standing “stop loss” order, which is activated if the market price falls below a certain price. These orders act like a pre-programmed panic button, which can trigger further selling and more downward pressure on the stock price.



Another destabilizing factor is “margin selling”: many speculative investors borrow against their holdings to leverage their investment, and when the value of their holdings goes down, the brokerage may force them to come up with additional cash on short notice or else sell into the bear market. Again the result is something that looks like a panic, causing the stock price to overreact and drop precipitously.



Where do the short sellers get the shares to sell into the market? As Jim Puplava explained on FinancialSense.com on September 24, 2011, they “borrow” shares from the unwitting true shareholders. When a brokerage firm opens an account for a new customer, it is usually a “margin” account—one that allows the investor to buy stock on margin, or by borrowing against the investor’s stock. This is done although most investors never use the margin feature and are unaware that they have that sort of account. The brokers do it because they can “rent” the stock in a margin account for a substantial fee—sometimes as much as 30% interest for a stock in short supply. Needless to say, the real shareholders get none of this tidy profit. Worse, they can be seriously harmed by the practice. They bought the stock because they believed in the company and wanted to see its business thrive, not dive. Their shares are being used to bet against their own interests.



There is another problem with short selling: the short seller is allowed to vote the shares at shareholder meetings. To avoid having to reveal what is going on, stock brokers send proxies to the “real” owners as well; but that means there are duplicate proxies floating around. Brokers know that many shareholders won’t go to the trouble of voting their shares; and when too many proxies do come in for a particular vote, the totals are just reduced proportionately to “fit.” But that means the real votes of real stock owners may be thrown out. Hedge funds may engage in short selling just to vote on particular issues in which they are interested, such as hostile corporate takeovers. Since many shareholders don’t send in their proxies, interested short sellers can swing the vote in a direction that hurts the interests of those with a real stake in the corporation.



Lax Regulation



Some of the damage caused by short selling was blunted by the Securities Act of 1933, which imposed an “uptick” rule and forbade “naked” short selling. But both of these regulations have been circumvented today.



The uptick rule required a stock’s price to be higher than its previous sale price before a short sale could be made, preventing a cascade of short sales when stocks were going down. But in July 2007, the uptick rule was repealed.



The regulation against “naked” short selling forbids selling stocks short without either owning or borrowing them. But an exception turned the rule into a sham, when a July 2005 SEC ruling allowed the practice by “market makers,” those brokers agreeing to stand ready to buy and sell a particular stock on a continuous basis at a publicly quoted price. The catch is that market makers are the brokers who actually do most of the buying and selling of stock today. Ninety-five percent of short sales are done by broker-dealers and market makers. Market making is one of those lucrative pursuits of the giant Wall Street banks that now hold a major portion of the country’s total banking assets.



One of the more egregious examples of naked short selling was relayed in a story run on FinancialWire in 2005. A man named Robert Simpson purchased all of the outstanding stock of a small company called Global Links Corporation, totaling a little over one million shares. He put all of this stock in his sock drawer, then watched as 60 million of the company’s shares traded hands over the next two days. Every outstanding share changed hands nearly 60 times in those two days, although they were safely tucked away in his sock drawer. The incident substantiated allegations that a staggering number of “phantom” shares are being traded around by brokers in naked short sales. Short sellers are expected to cover by buying back the stock and returning it to the pool, but Simpson’s 60 million shares were obviously never bought back to cover the phantom sales, since they were never on the market in the first place. Other cases are less easy to track, but the same thing is believed to be going on throughout the market.



Why Is It Allowed?



The role of market makers is supposedly to provide liquidity in the markets, match buyers with sellers, and ensure that there will always be someone to supply stock to buyers or to take stock off sellers’ hands. The exception allowing them to engage in naked short selling is justified as being necessary to allow buyers and sellers to execute their orders without having to wait for real counterparties to show up. But if you want potatoes or shoes and your local store runs out, you have to wait for delivery. Why is stock investment different?



It has been argued that a highly liquid stock market is essential to ensure corporate funding and growth. That might be a good argument if the money actually went to the company, but that is not where it goes. The issuing company gets the money only when the stock is sold at an initial public offering (IPO). The stock exchange is a secondary market – investors buying from other stockholders, hoping they can sell the stock for more than they paid for it. In short, it is gambling. Corporations have an easier time raising money through new IPOs if the buyers know they can turn around and sell their stock quickly; but in today’s computerized global markets, real buyers should show up quickly enough without letting brokers sell stock they don’t actually have to sell.



Short selling is sometimes justified as being necessary to keep a brake on the “irrational exuberance” that might otherwise drive popular stocks into dangerous “bubbles.” But if that were a necessary feature of functioning markets, short selling would also be rampant in the markets for cars, television sets and computers, which it obviously isn’t. The reason it isn’t is that these goods can’t be “hypothecated” or duplicated on a computer screen the way stock shares can. Short selling is made possible because the brokers are not dealing with physical things but are simply moving numbers around on a computer monitor.



Any alleged advantages to a company or asset class from the liquidity afforded by short selling are offset by the serious harm this sleight of hand can do to companies or assets targeted for take-down in bear raids. With the power to engage in naked short sales, market makers have the market wired for demolition at their whim.



The Need for Collective Action



What can be done to halt this very destructive practice? Ideally, federal regulators would step in with some rules; but as Jim Puplava observes, the regulators seem to be in the pockets of the brokers and are inclined to look the other way. Lawsuits can have an effect, but they take money and time.



In the meantime, Puplava advises investors to call their brokers and ask if their accounts are margin accounts. If so, get the accounts changed, with confirmation in writing. Like the “Move Your Money” campaign for disciplining the Wall Street giants, this maneuver could be a non-violent form of collective action with significant effects if enough investors joined in. We need some grassroots action to rein in our runaway financial system and the government it controls, and this could be a good place to start.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:05 am

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THIS IS A HOAX.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 05, 2011 7:01 am

from Simon DelaPlaya


[them]"so whats gonna happen with the demonstrations?
gonna stay peaceful or full revolution?"
[You]
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"i dont know...i hope for both, actually."
fuck you, it's magic



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