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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:14 pm

Hey Kids,

This will be my first year at the Burn vaping e-fags AKA e-cigs instead of smoking "analog" cigs. The only potential drawback I fear is the possibility that LEOs won't know what they are and will assume they are weed/drug devices of some sort and proceed to do an illegal search. Dripping e-juice into the device to refill looks particularly sinister to the uninitiated, I must admit. Anywho, since I won't have anything illegal on me I don't really fear the search results, but I am not looking forward to the uncomfortable situation that would develop when I loudly protest the illegal search, before telling them to fuck off and photographing them/their badge #s when they don't find anything illegal. It's just an ugly scene I'd rather avoid, but I am not willing to go back to smoking for my nicotine fix just because LEOs on the playa might be ignorant of the technology.

My hope is that many of the LEOs at BM are from Reno (where I assume there is a whole-lotta indoor vaping going on at Casinos) and won't bat an eye. Wishful thinking? Is there anyone out there who has used e-cigs on the playa and had to deal with uninformed LEOs?
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Postby Fire_Moose » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:22 pm

You sound like you think the LEOs are retards...



just smoke the real things, they are SooOOoOoOoO goooooood


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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:27 pm

Fire_Moose wrote:You sound like you think the LEOs are retards...



just smoke the real things, they are SooOOoOoOoO goooooood


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


I did... for 23 years. IMHO E-fags are much more yummy! Alas, if the average LEO knows as much about e-cigs as they do about the fine points of federal and state gun laws, I better just spread 'em now. ;)
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Postby flatlander13 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:39 pm

Dear Mosin,

You sound like a fucking retard……..please stay home……….the last thing Burning Man needs is more fucking retards…….like you……..

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Postby C.f.M. » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:56 pm

:cry:

This thread is not what I wanted it to be about.

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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:58 pm

flatlander13 wrote:Dear Mosin,

You sound like a fucking retard……..please stay home……….the last thing Burning Man needs is more fucking retards…….like you……..

Love and Kisses


Dearest Fucktarder13,

I don't want to fuck your skanky mom again at the Burn, but thanks for the offer anyway, you bored piece of shit. :)

XOXO
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Postby Sham » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:04 pm

If you kids can't play nice together, you will not have another play date. Now give each other a great big hug and make up! :roll:
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Postby Eric » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:10 pm

Mosin- the LEO's aren't stupid, regardless of what you think. Let me put this simply- if it looks illegal, and they see it, they are fully within their rights to investigate to make sure it's not. You might get lucky by being polite & they figure out it's just a tobacco product, your fine- that one time.

The next officer who sees you may not be so nice, and if you show the same attitude in person towards the LEO's as you post here, I can guarantee you that they will work under the assumption you're doing something illegal until proven otherwise.

You are basically asking to create problems for yourself for the entire week. And, since they can investigate your camp if they think illegal substances are there, you're asking to create trouble for your camp.

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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:34 pm

It's not a tobacco product, which is the whole point. If the LEOs aren't stupid/uninformed as you say, I should have no problem vaping on the playa. I'll hope for that. If they are uninformed, I might have to undergo an illegal search or three... which will suck for everyone involved (they won't find anything illegal and will meanwhile get to enjoy my fully legal verbal thrashing) but isn't a good enough reason for me to go back to analog cigs. I guess I'll be the educational guinea pig this year and hope it isn't a problem in future years to come!
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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:37 pm

Shambala wrote:If you kids can't play nice together, you will not have another play date. Now give each other a great big hug and make up! :roll:


Aww c'mon, do I really have to play nice with the lonely troll?
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Postby geospyder » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:46 pm

Simple solution - find an informative article explaining whatever it is you are doing, print a couple copies for the off chance that you are stopped. This way you can be polite and informative at the same time.

I do that with Geocaching. Saves a lot of trouble explaining what I'm doing that doesn't look like I should be doing.

BTW there is another acronym that you should be aware of - ADT - Attitude Determines Ticket.
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Postby Eric » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:53 pm

Mosin wrote:(they won't find anything illegal and will meanwhile get to enjoy my fully legal verbal thrashing)


Do you like to plan to screw up your event, or does it just happen?

Geospyder is right- "verbally thrashing" the LEO's is just asking to get yourself screwed. You're not the only playa lawyer they're dealing with, and they would rather keep things smooth than deal with drama. You start thrashing however...... not the way to come out of the encounter the way you want.

If you're nice about the encounters and actually try to educate why what you're doing isn't illegal you'll probably get much farther. It's not like you don't expect to get investigated- you are the one that started this thread.

Again- it's your Burn. Do with it as you will. Personally, I just want to see how long you stay on playa after getting a reputation amongst the LEO's for your "verbal thrashing's"
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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:55 pm

geospyder wrote:Simple solution - find an informative article explaining whatever it is you are doing, print a couple copies for the off chance that you are stopped. This way you can be polite and informative at the same time.


That is a great idea! Thanks. I actually have some business cards from e-cig suppliers that have short explanations of what they are on the back (intended primarily for bartenders) so I'll pack several of them and a few articles, and try to be as cordial as possible. Since many LEOs smoke, maybe I'll even win over a few converts! :)
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Postby capjbadger » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:06 pm

Don't listen to Eric. Cops love verbal sparring over the finer points of law! They get so bored otherwise. I heard they even give out cool swag to people like you that can be also used to lock up your bike.

Have fun! :)

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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:10 pm

Eric wrote:
Mosin wrote:(they won't find anything illegal and will meanwhile get to enjoy my fully legal verbal thrashing)


Do you like to plan to screw up your event, or does it just happen?

Geospyder is right- "verbally thrashing" the LEO's is just asking to get yourself screwed. You're not the only playa lawyer they're dealing with, and they would rather keep things smooth than deal with drama. You start thrashing however...... not the way to come out of the encounter the way you want.

If you're nice about the encounters and actually try to educate why what you're doing isn't illegal you'll probably get much farther. It's not like you don't expect to get investigated- you are the one that started this thread.

Again- it's your Burn. Do with it as you will. Personally, I just want to see how long you stay on playa after getting a reputation amongst the LEO's for your "verbal thrashing's"


Eric, I appreciate the truly sage advise, but I think I didn't explain myself well because I really don't have an anti-LEO attitude, nor would I enjoy having to get into it verbally with LEOs (or establish a bad rep with them). I guess I was just anticipating my anger should a LEO inquire about my e-cigs, receive a cordial explanation/demonstration, and then proceed to search me illegally anyway. (You might remember a few years ago a Burner got illegally searched for rolling up a Drum cig). At the very least I will cordially chide them while conducting their illegal search, and try to obtain or photograph their badge #s, because being a Burner does not mean one has to forfeit all of their rights as an American (!). With that said, I don't go to the Burn to make futile political statements to LEOs, so hopefully the previous suggestion to carry some e-fag documentation will help stave off a negative scene.
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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:12 pm

capjbadger wrote:Don't listen to Eric. Cops love verbal sparring over the finer points of law! They get so bored otherwise. I heard they even give out cool swag to people like you that can be also used to lock up your bike.

Have fun! :)

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Wait, I thought Badger had 15K+ posts of sarcastic bullshit. What happened?
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Postby AntiM » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:15 pm

There are two Badgers. This is not the Badger you are looking for.
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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:19 pm

AntiM wrote:There are two Badgers. This is not the Badger you are looking for.


Holy crap... they proliferate?! :shock:
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Postby flatlander13 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:21 pm

Dear Molsin,

I haven’t laughed so long and loud in a long time……thanks……..
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Postby Mosin » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:22 pm

flatlander13 wrote:Dear Molsin,

I haven’t laughed so long and loud in a long time……thanks……..


Smooches. C ya at the Burn! :)
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Postby illy dilly » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:42 pm

geospyder wrote:Simple solution - find an informative article explaining whatever it is you are doing, print a couple copies for the off chance that you are stopped. This way you can be polite and informative at the same time.

I do that with Geocaching. Saves a lot of trouble explaining what I'm doing that doesn't look like I should be doing.

BTW there is another acronym that you should be aware of - ADT - Attitude Determines Ticket.

I agree with geospyder. Or if you can't find a good article, carry the manufacturer packaging. I've seen those things at the mall, the ones I've seen say 'smokeless tobacco' and lots of stuff like that.
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Re: Electro-Fags and LEOs on da Playa

Postby 1durphul » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:57 pm

heh heh heh heh he said fags heh heh heh heh
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:02 pm

"Anticipating my anger"
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Postby oneeyeddick » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:16 pm

He also looks forward to possibly getting kicked in the balls as his highlight of entering a mosh pit.

I like this guy, so tough the Marines wouldn't take him either.
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Postby capjbadger » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:23 pm

AntiM wrote:There are two Badgers. This is not the Badger you are looking for.


Yes. I believe the other Badger works with the Rangers. Yet to meet him in person. I'm with the Lamplighters. :)

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Postby motskyroonmatick » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:43 pm

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Postby Sham » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:45 pm

Mosin wrote:
flatlander13 wrote:Dear Molsin,

I haven’t laughed so long and loud in a long time……thanks……..


Smooches. C ya at the Burn! :)

You see what happens when you hug and make up! :D:D
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Postby much2naughty2 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:51 pm

I thought Obama suspended all drug enforcement laws.

Leo's aren't bad folks, with a very few exceptions I can think of, just government employees, doing a job they were hired to do. They didn't make up the rules(for the most part), your congress person did. Blame them if you can't smoke dope, not the LEO. Don't act like an ass in front of them and they won't treat you like an ass. I'ver heard it called the mirror effect.
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Postby Trishntek » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:44 pm

much2naughty2 wrote:I thought Obama suspended all drug enforcement laws.

Leo's aren't bad folks, with a very few exceptions I can think of, just government employees, doing a job they were hired to do. They didn't make up the rules(for the most part), your congress person did. Blame them if you can't smoke dope, not the LEO. Don't act like an ass in front of them and they won't treat you like an ass. I'ver heard it called the mirror effect.


It's known as "discretionary enforcement of the law". LEO's have prerogatives to enforce,,,, or not,,,,, mostly depending upon the situation at hand. If the "subject" causes a source of irritation, the LEO's prerogative will probably be irritating to that source.
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Postby ibdave » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:00 pm

Hello??? Taps the screen... anyone home???? If the "LEO" can't smell weed in the e-fag then no problem... Carry proof around?? what next citizen cards?? Adopt the Arizona law for BRC?



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