respecttheplanet wrote:For the record, we (people that actually care) *do* go up against corporate polluters. Black Rock LLC just happens to be on the list of corporate polluters. After all, it's being run like a corporation now... complete with a Misinformation "mistress," political payoffs, and an "aggressive" legal team.
Do you enjoy being lied to?
Chai Guy wrote:Could you guys pick ONE thread to discuss this issue?
KellY wrote:To all the stopburningman people, sock puppets, and/or multiple personalities:
The insane number of threads this whole discussion is happening on seems both detrimental to the board and the topic itself, with all the cross-postings, redundant questions, etc. If you are actually concerned about the environmental impact of the event and not just trying to fuck with our community, please pick one thread to carry on the discussion, or start a single new one, and let's proceed from there. Any post aside from saying "Let's go to this thread" will look suspiciously troll-like, I am thinking.
To everyone else on the board, I respectfully ask that you don't post on any more of these threads until a single one is chosen. I'm sorry about the multiple cross postings and if this seems high-handed. I suppose I could have asked the moderators to intervene, but you know...radical self-reliance and all that.
DVD Burner wrote:Oh and voting for Bush the first time does not make you an idiot.
voting for him a second time does.
joel the ornery wrote:The same could have been said about Bill Clinton.
Oh yeah, I do believe I heard it said one or two times in 8 years of "do nothing" against enemies, foreign and domestic.
DVD Burner wrote:As we have been finally finding out, while some were crying "wag the dog" it turns out there really was a Bin Laden after all huh?
Ugly Dougly wrote:As it turns out he was one of the "anti-Soviet" mujaheddin we were funding back in the Reagan era.
As I recall from Robert Fisk (who's talked to the "man" a couple times and lived in the middle east for many years) he wasn't trained by the CIA--as many in the Afgan war were--and I don't think he ever got any funding from us either. (With family money he could afford to pick and choose, perhaps. And let's not even get into the way the Saudi regime plays us like a violin.) Which isn't to say that he had no indirect benefits from the States. But there is still much to be said about our short-sightedness in these matters. Like supporting the Taliban for it's effectiveness against opium poppies and not seeing the bigger picture. Or our support of Saddam Hussain as an enemy of Iran. Also, I'd be surprised if none of the muhaddin we did support had gone on to Al Qaida.Ugly Dougly wrote:DVD Burner wrote:As we have been finally finding out, while some were crying "wag the dog" it turns out there really was a Bin Laden after all huh?
As it turns out he was one of the "anti-Soviet" mujaheddin we were funding back in the Reagan era.
theCryptofishist wrote:As I recall from Robert Fisk (who's talked to the "man" a couple times and lived in the middle east for many years) he wasn't trained by the CIA--as many in the Afgan war were--and I don't think he ever got any funding from us either.
8 years of "do nothing" against enemies, foreign and domestic.
theCryptofishist wrote:I think it's correct to expect a lot of servicemen (and women) to come back from Iraq with nasty habits.
Alpha wrote:I'm not sure if you're reading into what I said or directing your own take on it. For what it's worth, I believe it's much worse than nasty habits coming back with servicemen and women who had to deal with the brutality of war; I would venture to say that the CIA gave carte blanche to drug dealers in those parts of the world, allowing them to poison our societies in exchange for assistance in achieving the CIA's military goals.
DVD Burner wrote:And who was in charge, both of the CIA at the time and during the wars commissioned of those times?
Alpha wrote:Well, you have to be careful with that one. President Reagan got us involved with Nicaragua, but President Carter started our military involvement with Afghanistan's war with the Soviet Union.
DVD Burner wrote:That's right. with who in charge of the CIA?
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