Mr. Harvey, where are you?

All things outside of Burning Man.

Would you like to have Mr. Harvey post on the Eplaya message Board?

Yes
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No
3
12%
Once in awhile.
7
28%
Once a week.
0
No votes
Once a month.
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No votes
Regularly posting to replys and joing in on discussions.
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Mr. Harvey, where are you?

Postby DVD Burner » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:03 pm


I am new here and I hope it is not too much of a
bad thing that I post this question under the
General Discussion area.
I thought it may be better that I pose this question here
instead of under newbies because I felt an answer from
the general community would be apropos.

The question is;

I have heard so much about Larry Harvey and wondered,
has he ever posted anything on the Eplaya message board?
I have not been able to read all of what is on this baord yet
so I may have missed it somewhere.
If he has, would someone please point me in the direction
where the posts are located. If he has not then why and is
he expected to do so?

Hope this is ok for my first thread post.

what do you think. :wink:

Let me know.


Thanks.
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Postby Bob » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:19 pm

Shouldn't you ask Larry?
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Shouldn't you ask Larry?

Postby DVD Burner » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:23 pm

OK. here goes.

Mr. Harvey,

Do you have anything posted on the Eplaya message board and if not, will you post anything anytime soon?

It was the best attempt I could come up with since I do not know him personally.

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Postby III » Sun Dec 14, 2003 11:54 pm

tehre are rumors that larry reads these messages. (or at least did on the old board.) he has, however, never actually posted under his real name, and it is unlikely (though not impossible) that he's posted under a pseudonym, since he generally aims his missives at the whole of the burning man community, rather than the small percentage who frequent this bbs.

if you would like to read his writings, look for the darryl van rhey interviews in the various newsletters (which you can find listed under "event archives" here.)
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Postby Lilly Flower » Mon Dec 15, 2003 7:46 am

I think it would be wonderful if Larry would pop in an occasional idiom or 2 every now and then.
I cant imagine that to be too much.
You are watching too much TV.
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I think it's amazing that ......

Postby DE FACTO » Sun Jan 18, 2004 1:14 am

the green zone was supposed to be secure in Iraq!

So I was told! :shock:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... n-zone.htm


Green Zone
US Military Occupation Facilities
Al Salam
Al Sijood [New Presidential]
Republican Palace
Baghdad Zoo



The so-called "Green Zone" is the heavily guarded area of closed-off streets in central Baghdad where US occupation authorities live and work. The Green Zone in the central city includes the main palaces of former President Saddam Hussein. The area houses the civilian ruling authority run by the Americans and British and the offices of major US consulting companies.

The precise boundries of the "Green Zone" are difficult to determine, and indeed may change with time. The core of the Green Zone appears to be the presidential complex of Saddam Hussein.

The 14th of July Bridge reopened for the first time since the fall of Saddam’s regime after a ribbon-cutting ceremony held 25 October 2003. The 14th of July Bridge serves as a major transportation artery which allows access to the northwestern part of Baghdad. Curiously, nobody thought of changing its name, which celebrates the inception of Baathist rule. Baghdad ’s first suspension bridge links the Karkh and Karadah districts on the north and south side of Baghdad. It was damaged during the first Gulf War, but was never repaired by the former regime. Realizing it was unsafe for use, Coalition forces closed the bridge when they entered Baghdad in April 2003. The newly repaired bridge will alleviate traffic build-up and allow drivers a direct route across the Tigris River. When the bridge was closed, people had to spend an extra twenty minutes to drive around the river. A bomb attack in central Baghdad on 13 November 2003 prompted the coalition to close the Bridge. The 14th of July Street (Arbataash Tamuz Street) which runs over the 14th of July Bridge (Arbataash Tamuz Bridge) runs between the Presidential Palace and the New Presidential Palace, both of which are in use by the Coalition Provisional Authority. Closing the Bridge would seal a potential point of access into the heart of the Green Zone.

The headquarters of Paul Bremer and those working on reconstructing Iraq is surrounded by a wall of reinforced and blast-proof concrete, and guarded by tanks and helicopters. The Green Zone -- also called "The Bubble" - is the hub of the vision for the New Iraq. It is almost self-sufficient, and staff working there can be treated in the compound's hospital or run safely in its grounds. When they go out, it is by armored car with an armed military escort.


The Convention Center is where the United States has set up headquarters, and the coalition press office is at the Baghdad Convention Center. The state-of-the-art hall is in the same Green Zone as the Republican Palace. It was once used by the fallen regime for conferences, is home to a highly visible collection of troops, some of whom live in an office that has been converted to barracks.

The Iraqi Governing Council is headquartered in the handsome marble building that once was the Military Industry Ministry run by Saddam's son-in-law, Hussein Kamel. The new Iraqi Ministry of Justice has decided to use the Adnan Buildingg, which is within the Green Zone, instead of the Clock Tower Building, for the Central Criminal Court and the Supreme Court.

The Green Zone is defended with coils of razor wire, chain-link fences, earthen berms and armed checkpoints. The area is defended by M1 Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles and HUMVEEs with .50 caliber machine guns on top. The Green Zone appears under siege, with barriers, high concrete walls and checkpoints. US officials are rarely visible outside it, and rules for British personnel bar them from leaving it unless accompanied by four bodyguards and an armored vehicle.


Iraqis and foreign diplomats have been critical of occupation officials, who they say are isolated within the Green Zone and un-informed about life elsewhere in Baghdad, an area that official US security jargon calls "the Red Zone." Being in the Green Zone in Baghdad provides a limited possibility to meet regular Iraqi people. Americans are walling themselves in, mentally and emotionally, as well as physically.

In an analysis on 01 September 2003 ["After Najaf: The Emerging Patterns of Combat in the Iraq War"] Anthony H. Cordesman states that "a critical mistake [was] made by ORHA and carried on by the CPA by creating US security zones around US headquarters in central Baghdad. This has created a no go zone for Iraqis and has allowed the attackers to push the US into a fortress that tends to separate U.S. personnel from the Iraqis. This follows a broader pattern where terrorist know that attacks tend to push the US into locating in "force protection" enclaves and cut Americans off from the local population."

By late 2003 much of the huge US military presence in Baghdad was out of sight at the airport and in other encampments.

In September 2003 US officials said they planned to reopen parts of the Green Zone to civilian traffic in October 2003 to reduce the zone's disruption to Baghdad's traffic. But this step would make security even more difficult for top US officials here.

On 27 September 2003 guerrillas struck at the heart of the US occupation, firing three rockets or grenades at a Baghdad hotel filled with American soldiers and civilians. Only one actually hit the hotel and did minimal damage and no one was hurt. The attack on the al-Rashid Hotel, home to US military officers and civilian occupation officials came at about 6:30 AM. The 200-foot-tall hotel stands hundreds of yards from the high, earth-filled barriers that ringing that section of the zone. The green zone is still the safest area in Baghdad, and until this incident there had no shooting incidents or attacks on any personnel in this area
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Re: I think it's amazing that ......

Postby DE FACTO » Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:17 am

globalsecurity.org wrote:The headquarters of Paul Bremer and those working on reconstructing Iraq is surrounded by a wall of reinforced and blast-proof concrete, and guarded by tanks and helicopters. The Green Zone -- also called "The Bubble" - is the hub of the vision for the New Iraq. It is almost self-sufficient, and staff working there can be treated in the compound's hospital or run safely in its grounds. When they go out, it is by armored car with an armed military escort.

The Green Zone is defended with coils of razor wire, chain-link fences, earthen berms and armed checkpoints. The area is defended by M1 Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles and HUMVEEs with .50 caliber machine guns on top. The Green Zone appears under siege, with barriers, high concrete walls and checkpoints. US officials are rarely visible outside it, and rules for British personnel bar them from leaving it unless accompanied by four bodyguards and an armored vehicle.



Does'nt this way sound like a really wonderful way to welcome and introduce anyone to your place of happy ideas, free ways (freedom) and love from within?
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Postby DE FACTO » Sun Jan 18, 2004 2:40 am

http://www.newamericancentury.org/state ... ciples.htm



June 3, 1997

American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.

We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.


As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?


We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world.
And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.

We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.


Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;


• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;


• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;


• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles.

Such a Reaganite policy of military strength and moral clarity may not be fashionable today. But it is necessary if the United States is to build on the successes of this past century and to ensure our security and our greatness in the next.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

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What the hell....

Postby Last Real Burner » Sun Jan 18, 2004 10:16 am

:roll:
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Re: What the hell....

Postby DVD Burner » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:12 pm

Last Real Burner wrote::roll:


Too intense huh?

Mr. Harvey and Ms. Marion need to have a say as to what thier opinion is on eplaya within every several topics every once in awhile.


No?

Mr. Harvey got bashed on eplaya awhile ago (well often, and Will Rogers,hey, it comes with the territory.)

I think.....no I know.... It would be an awsome thing for Ms. Marion.... Heck, why not Chrimson rose, Michael Michael, Will rogers, Ms. P , Harley, And Flash to have a say at least once a month on eplaya to motivate things and influence folks with intelligent minds to move to a new world order.


Is no one going to say anything about my obnoxious statement?

:lol:
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Re: What the hell....

Postby THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:33 pm

DVD Burner wrote:
Last Real Burner wrote::roll:


Too intense huh?

Mr. Harvey and Ms. Marion need to have a say as to what thier opinion is on eplaya within every several topics every once in awhile.


No?

Mr. Harvey got bashed on eplaya awhile ago (well often, and Will Rogers,hey, it comes with the territory.)

I think.....no I know.... It would be an awsome thing for Ms. Marion.... Heck, why not Chrimson rose, Michael Michael, Will rogers, Ms. P , Harley, And Flash to have a say at least once a month on eplaya to motivate things and influence folks with intelligent minds to move to a new world order.


Is no one going to say anything about my obnoxious statement?

:lol:




Woops.


:lol:
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Re: What the hell....

Postby Lilly Flower » Thu Jan 22, 2004 7:41 pm

THE ORIGINAL DIGIMAN wrote:
DVD Burner wrote:
Last Real Burner wrote::roll:


Too intense huh?

Mr. Harvey and Ms. Marion need to have a say as to what thier opinion is on eplaya within every several topics every once in awhile.


No?

Mr. Harvey got bashed on eplaya awhile ago (well often, and Will Rogers,hey, it comes with the territory.)

I think.....no I know.... It would be an awsome thing for Ms. Marion.... Heck, why not Chrimson rose, Michael Michael, Will rogers, Ms. P , Harley,Anat, Pepe And Flash to have a say at least once a month on eplaya to motivate things and influence folks with intelligent minds to move to a new world order.


Is no one going to say anything about my obnoxious statement?

:lol:




Woops.


:lol:


there were a few that you left out.

great to see you back DE FACTO.
You are watching too much TV.
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