Time for an Adult only section of Eplaya

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Do you think Burning Man should have an adult only section?

I support having an adult only section
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I don't think there is a need for it
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46%
I'm a idiot and have no opinion
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Total votes : 26

Time for an Adult only section of Eplaya

Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:47 pm

I want it and I know that many other are looking forward to having an adult only section and I know that the FBI wouldn't like!

So lets do it!

End the bullshit of having the law enforcement making trouble for Burning Man! Law enforcement are just looking to fuck things up for us whether or not they are really looking for Pedophiles but looking anything they can and I mean anything!

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Postby Isotopia » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:23 pm

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Postby Sensei » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:02 pm

* Sensei rushes in wearing only a trench coat *

How 'bout this threat to security, Mr. Ashcroft!

* Sensei opens trenchcoat wide, then rushes back out the door *
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Postby tisha2 » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:10 pm

kay, yer post subject says ..."adult only section of Eplaya", but the poll asks if ..."Burning Man should have an adults only section". which is it? cuz you know my thoughts on the latter, but the former was kinda funny...if that's what you meant. but i can't tell...
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:52 am

tisha2 wrote:kay, yer post subject says ..."adult only section of Eplaya", but the poll asks if ..."Burning Man should have an adults only section". which is it? cuz you know my thoughts on the latter, but the former was kinda funny...if that's what you meant. but i can't tell...


I meant an Adult Only Section of Eplaya.

I would totally support an adult section of Burning Man if we couldn't prohibit underage participants from attending as well.

By the way did you proof ID's at your bar?

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Postby spectabillis » Sat Oct 23, 2004 8:03 pm

I miss Bianca's shackfullness.
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Postby Badger » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:08 pm

Hey Spectabillis, is that Jupiter's symbol flashing in your avatar?
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Postby tisha2 » Sat Oct 23, 2004 11:39 pm

Apollonaris Zeus wrote:
tisha2 wrote:kay, yer post subject says ..."adult only section of Eplaya", but the poll asks if ..."Burning Man should have an adults only section". which is it? cuz you know my thoughts on the latter, but the former was kinda funny...if that's what you meant. but i can't tell...


I meant an Adult Only Section of Eplaya.

I would totally support an adult section of Burning Man if we couldn't prohibit underage participants from attending as well.

By the way did you proof ID's at your bar?

A II Z


uummm........yeah!! totally...it'a pm thing... private proof...yeah....

(if i'm serving virtual booze, do virtual id's count?...)
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Postby spectabillis » Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:12 am

Badger wrote:Hey Spectabillis, is that Jupiter's symbol flashing in your avatar?


*cha-ching* yeppers

how goes it in 3playaland?
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Postby Badger » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:06 am

how goes it in 3playaland?


Sustained dialogue, brutal honesty, and pretty remarkable observations from all corners. Agree or disagree but most folks over there back their words up with ideas/cites/examples/solutions/etc.

A lot like it used to be here actually. At least until a few *asstards and their sock puppets sludged in here and ratcheted the discourse down to sub-Neanderthal mode.

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Postby spectabillis » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:48 am

Badger wrote:
how goes it in 3playaland?


Sustained dialogue, brutal honesty, and pretty remarkable observations from all corners. Agree or disagree but most folks over there back their words up with ideas/cites/examples/solutions/etc.

A lot like it used to be here actually. At least until a few *asstards and their sock puppets sludged in here and ratcheted the discourse down to sub-Neanderthal mode.

*Contact DvD Burner/De Facto/Lilly Flower for specifics.


Thought it smelled a bit stale. I will definately make the time to head back there, thanks for the reminder.

Keep on, keeping on...
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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:09 am

Badger wrote:
how goes it in 3playaland?


Sustained dialogue, brutal honesty, and pretty remarkable observations from all corners. Agree or disagree but most folks over there back their words up with ideas/cites/examples/solutions/etc.

A lot like it used to be here actually. At least until a few *asstards and their sock puppets sludged in here and ratcheted the discourse down to sub-Neanderthal mode.

*Contact DvD Burner/De Facto/Lilly Flower for specifics.


guess you're a little upset cause ya cant take what ya dish out huh?

we still have some time left to see who the real asstard fuckwits are that cant back up what they dish out are in a few weeks wont we?

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Postby DVD Burner » Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:10 am

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Postby Simply Joel » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:13 pm

spectabillis wrote:I miss Bianca's shackfullness.


here here... and i only went a couple of times.
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Postby geekster » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:17 pm

Have you read their historty page?

http://bianca.org/history/burn.html


One of the interesting things I got out of it was they toned down the place because it had turned into something different than THEY wanted it to be in 1998.

in mid-1999 i got emails and phone calls from Harley and Marian asking that we tone down the vibe. fortunately, bianca had already had lots of conversations to this effect and so we were all in agreement. we talked about multiple ways to lessen the built-up expectations etc...
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Postby spectabillis » Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:00 pm

geekster wrote:
in mid-1999 i got emails and phone calls from Harley and Marian asking that we tone down the vibe. fortunately, bianca had already had lots of conversations to this effect and so we were all in agreement. we talked about multiple ways to lessen the built-up expectations etc...


Yeah, some creepyness in 98, had to be there at the right time to avoid it.
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Postby sonic » Tue Nov 02, 2004 8:42 am

Why do you think there needs to be an "adult only" section? Are you trying to hide from the kids? Or shelter them?
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Postby geekster » Tue Nov 02, 2004 10:28 am

Okay, so we create an "adults only" section. You must click a checkbox to "certify" that you are an adult. Problem solved, right? Sheesh.
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Postby technopatra » Thu Nov 04, 2004 12:40 pm

Well..it's a wee bit more complicated to make that happen that you might think. We currently have a declare-you-are-over-13 policy - that is in compliance with the COPPA act, which among other things determined that children under 13 can not give out email addresses or other contact info.

The functionality of same would have to be reviewed, to see if:

a) it could be altered to declare if you are under 13, 13-17, or over 18
This way any adult could see the adult section upon login.

b) we could set up another declaration page, leading to a private area, so that only those interested it the adults section would access it.

Of course, we are still on the fence about whether to create it or not. It brings up several issues:

1 - do we want to the Eplaya to be a magnet for what will most likely be very sexually explicit postings? IS that actually community building, or should those conversations happen somewhere else, off of this bbs?

2 - without vigilant moderation, it will quickly devolve into a porn talk area. There are other places for foks to go for that, and we are not porn providers. Nuh-uh.

3 - even with moderation, there would be issues that will predictably arise...eventually someone will feel stalked or threatened, some fantasy or kidding will go too far into territory that others will not like, etc. etc. There will be complaints, complex issues of boundary and consent. There will need to be a whole additional set of guidelines created for that area, and there would absolutely have to be someone to admin and respond to those issues.

(I can tell you right here that there is no way in hell that that would be me, and honestly, if I won't, I don't know who would.)

I guess what it comes down to is I foresee all kinds of risk and work, with little benefit to the community as a whole.

I understand your desire for over 18 expression, A||Z, and do not think that your participation in such an area would lead to these things. But to open that up to you is to open it up to everyone. We have to think in terms of worst-case scenarios, and I foresee a pretty bad one.

It's not that I think this kind of topic area shouldn't for exist for Burners somewhere, but what I have not yet heard is a compelling reason to provide it here and assume that extra risk and work.

FYI - I am by no means the final judgement - we have a group of 4 admins to review this suggestion and we'll decide by consensus.
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Postby GuinivereElise » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:56 pm

I agree with Techonpatra... nicely put, babe.

I'm sure it could happen, just in another area... Tribe, perhaps??
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Postby Apollonaris Zeus » Thu Nov 04, 2004 7:00 pm

"2 - without vigilant moderation, it will quickly devolve into a porn talk area."

In the spirit of BM, I'm sure it will turn sarcastic in no time!

There are no easy answers to designing it or moderating it, but it will help keep out those that are trolling about for pedophiles or just an excuse to Sneak and Peek into one's computer or life.


Thanks Techno for looking into to it.


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Postby emily sparkle » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:01 pm

technopatra wrote:(I can tell you right here that there is no way in hell that that would be me, and honestly, if I won't, I don't know who would.)


ditto. there *is* such a thing as too much porn talk.
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Postby Tancorix » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:09 pm

While it's a nice idea I feel it's DOA. The eplaya team has mentioned elsewhere that they have other projects to work on such as moving over to Plone, etc. Also there is not an unlimited budget, it's all run by volunteers (Emily, TP, we thank you for your efforts and we love you both), and that being said...it's just too much to ask for.

I've seen some touchy subjects handled on here without the need for a special adults only section. Since this special section idea is going nowhere, maybe it's time to try another approach such as handling adult themed discussions in a discreet but creative manner. Or in other words let's find a creative way to work with what we have.

AIIZ, I hope you don't take this as a personal attack on your idea. It's not. I've wrote before that I like it. But after reading TP's post the odds of getting this special section appear to be fading fast.
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Postby technopatra » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:41 pm

GuinivereElise wrote:I agree with Techonpatra... nicely put, babe.

I'm sure it could happen, just in another area... Tribe, perhaps??


There you go. Thanks, Guinevere Elise. I'd be surprised if there isn't an appropriate tribe already.
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Postby DVD Burner » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:14 pm

It sucks sometimes that TP is always right.



She is truely awsome.


(not a pick up line....just the truth.) sucks. :lol:
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Postby DVD Burner » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:17 pm

UUUmmm,

just so ya'll know....I'm jaded.
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