Roberto Dobbisano wrote:Rashid Sardarov, a businessman from Dagestan, is a remarkable figure both in business and high life. He was first to buy Rolls-Royce in Moscow. He has also bought an entire mountain in Lower Austria and fenced it.
Jovankat wrote:That's really sad. Mountains should be able to roam free as nature intended
theCryptofishist wrote:Nicely phrased, Jovenkat.
Slug wrote:I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here because I'm feeling saucy. Prepare your torches and pitchforks accordingly.
1. If a big sound camp promotes/advertises/posts their lineups AFTER the bulk of ticket sales are over (ie pre-OMG but post STEP closing) then that would be OK because the lineup most likely wasn't what drove the person to buy their ticket. Instead they're just sharing what they plan to put out on the playa like other camps. Pre-ticket sale promotion is less acceptable to me because it tells me they're using the lineup to encourage people to buy tickets in order to attend their sets. [Insert rabble about non-participation/sparkle ponies being stupid/festival-ness/etc here.]
2. I do take issue with the language White Ocean used in their "flyer". And the whole thing looks exactly like an advertisement... not cool. Including the name dropping. All for reasons previously discussed.
--and double high five to Jovankat for that comment.
lucky420 wrote:Simon of the Playa wrote:i'd like to clarify something.
i am not against Big Name DJ's. I am not against Big Sound….i love the shit, you know that. some of my good friends are objects of cults of personality, i don't begrudge them success or fame.
think of it this way…..what is better, suddenly coming across one of your favorite "acts" out of nowhere on some random venue VS. showing up at an appointed "time & Place" to see a prefab set, exactly one hour long, because you know, there's a fucking schedule to adhere to…
hell it was ADVERTISED….
one is serendipitous bliss, the other is defaultia expectations.
and you know what happens when you have expectations.
and…..whats to stop Pershing County or any other Official Agency from trying to designate BM as a "music festival" vs. an "art festival", because , you know, the fuck you fees and taxes almost double in Nevada for that shit, and look…... we have Music Line-ups being ADVERTISED, way in advance of the event.
Spot on! We already have a congresswoman down in Vegas who wants to start taxing/new fee this event because it's not just a party in the desert. She sees it as a venue, etc and should be subject to fees/taxes in accordance with other concerts, events.
Not to mention that Burning Man in an entirely non-self-sustained event, the only thing that makes it possible is success in real-world commercial ventures that allows people to afford such luxuries. So there's a symbiosis there, and it just seems somewhat myopic or deluded to outright condemn all of the external structure that makes this possible.
some seeing eye wrote:Times have changed. How BMORG has to manage Trademark is more aggressive. Then there is Electric Daisyland et al.
I'm proud of Dream and what she has done. And I support it 100%. Loren has always had an organic fan base. His success is not due to TFITD. It is due to the relationship he has built with his audience. Though I love Kate dearly, I don't think we need a published schedule. Soon there will be enough mobile connectivity at the event that people can message the whereabouts of specific acts (shut your ears) using WiFi and the right app.
I'm all for a handwritten sign day-of with "special guest" slots. The camp people will tell some people and word will get around.
I like to dance, but I think the dance emphasis should be dialed back. Too many people coming for a dance festival - just read the ticket threads, and too much bad club behavior. That in itself endangers the event.
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