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Who wants a ride in 2004?

Postby lapeer20m » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:02 pm

I'm leaving from michigan with my schoolbus conversion for burning man 2004. If you live in michigan, surrounding areas, or along the driving route, and need transportation for you or your stuff, e-mail me. the bus' nickname is the black plague, www.geocities.com/blackplaguetour complete with tv, frige, stove, chest freezer, 8 person hot tub ect. IF you ride, i would expect you to help pay for fuel.
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Postby Kinetic » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:18 pm

I'm not in Michigan or along your driving route but that is one impressive bus. If you take that to BM, your going to have more fun than you ever thought possible.....

Just be aware of what playa dust can do to a hot tub...and make sure you have filters and enough extra water to refill the tub and your set.
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Postby lapeer20m » Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:27 pm

well, it takes 400 gallons of water to fill the hot tub....bringing enough extra water to refill the hot tub isn't a good option. I do have to ability to carry about 50-100 gallons extra hot tub water. I plan to keep the hot tub coverd when not in use (to help keep sand out, and to help with evaporation) I'm going to have very strict rules about washing off your feet legs ect before getting in. I'll run the pumps/filter as much as needed to keep the water reasonalbly clean. it'll be tough for me though. I'm from michigan, and therefore not good at water conservation. Don't tell the california people, but i change the water in the jacuzzi almost every week. That's probably a hanging offense out west! lol
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Postby Meggles » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:01 am

Greetings lapeer20m- where are you in MI? I'm in SW wisconsin near Lacrosse and am working on getting myself set to go next year... i saw there was an art installation/camp from Madison, WI this year, and i'm in the process of trying to contact them, too, but i wanna cover my ass. :roll: Do ya think you'll hafta come near LaX to get on I90 or are ya doin the backroad thing? How many people do you have going w/ you already? I'd think you'd have quite the gaggle of compatriots w/ the set up you've got!
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Postby Meggles » Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:02 am

whoops, duh- i just saw you're near Flint...
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Postby lapeer20m » Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:36 pm

august 2004 is still a long ways off and plans can change. the closest route is I 80 all the way across from chicago, but i've already driven that once before. I am seriously considering taking the more northern route (I90) so i can see the badlands, and maybe even a stop at yellowstone.

Right now i have 1 person who's definately going with me, i'd like to find at least two more people. There is probably room for 10 or 12....but with that many people, we all have to take less "stuff" I've always found with adentures of epic proportions, like this one, there's lots of people who say they want to go...but only a small handfull actually have the time, resources, and desire to pull it off.
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Postby Meggles » Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:37 pm

too true, man.... holy balls dude- i was checkin your site out and i feel about 2 inches tall where mechanical skills are concerned... i wonder if you could tolerate someone as "moderate" as i in several skill-areas. i'm agog at your creativity. if i could learn a TENTH of what it appears you know, i'll be in my own hall of fame. i loved the sponge-bob sacrifice :twisted:

you're right- it's a damn long way off and i realize too because of various factors you'll need people to be "for sure" about whether or not they're riding w/ you once it gets down to the wire. all i know is i'm already planning on going (as much as I can at this early stage w/o tickets & all that rot), i know good peeps in CA who are going who i might meet in advance & camp w/ (high school bud), but it's the GETTING there that's an enigma.

I HIGHLY recommend I90. went to the badlands, black hills, custer park, all the nat'l monuments/parks etc (Jewel & Wind caves are pretty sweet) and the Reptile Gardens- commercial, but cool- and Devils Tower WY is astounding- did all that last yr in a whirlwind 5-day wkend trip that didn't exactly do it justice, but i consider it a "scouting" trip. Never been to yellowstone. want to.

so this'll be my cherry-poppin burn in 04, too, and i've got quasi-everything feelings about it, but i'm on the site almost everyday czechin' stuff out and religiously attentive to anything pertaining "lists" of any kind-particularly 'survival' and 'comfort'. Heloise's list is pretty damn thorough- excellent for a near-paranoid like me at this point. i gotta laugh at myself. i think i'll have kittens when the tickets finally go on sale AND when the theme is announced...
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Postby TheMuse » Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:52 pm

I'm in California, but your trip sounds like it will be so much fun that I wish I was in Michigan! Maybe you will let me come by for a dip when you make it to the Playa? I would be sure to reciprocate with some VIP treatment at our bar... Spike's Vampire Bar :twisted:
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Postby Borris » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:04 am

Could you detour through Tel Aviv and pick me up???
Shit, where was i for the last week... ehm...
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Postby lapeer20m » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:29 am

I'm afraid the bus wouldn't fair so well in the journey across the big pond. If you want to fly to Flint Bishop airport we'll be more than happy to pick you up.

Back to reality..........

I"m going to bring all the materials necessary to build an 8 foot cube that is heavily insulated. A small air conditioning unit should be enough to control the temperature inside the "cube." That'll give us a space to take a nap in the heat of the afternoon.

I'm also bringing a chest freezer filled with ice cream bars and "freezer pops". Won't it be wonderful to sit in the shade and eat an ice cream cone in the middle of the 120 degree desert heat?

Everything is being powered with a super ultra quiet Honda EU2000 watt generator. It's so quiet, you won't even know it's running, and it's super efficient too!. it'l run 24 hours a day for 7 days on less than 30 gallons of fuel.


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Postby Don Muerto » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:51 am

I might MOVE to MI for a ride to BurningMan in that sled!!!
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Postby Kinetic » Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:50 am

Any route that avoids that 400 mile torture session called I-80 across Nebraska is a route worthy of consideration. The second worst drive is I-70 across Western Kansas.

Have you considered XM or Sirius Satellite Radio for the trip...not to make a shameless plug but one can only take so much Gospel and Country stations as they drive West....my MP3 player broke and I was stuck listening to the above formats....it was the first time I was happy to find a Clear Channel station that played something else. And I usually hate Clear Channel.
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Postby lapeer20m » Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:07 am

The lack of good radio stations is an extremely valid point i had yet to ponder, but I'm far to cheap for xm radio. I can connect my lap top to the stero in the bus. perhaps i'll fill up my hard drive with mp3's before leaving. Good tunes are important. Did i mention the bus only travels about 60mph??? it's gonna be a very long drive to nevada. I'm quite certian that i'm taking I 90 out west, gonna do some site seeing. we'll probably take I 80 home. I 80 is pretty much a striaght line from gerlach nv to detroit mi. (except for that pesky lake michigan)

anyone know which route has less drastic mountains??? I 80 or I 90?

I'm gonna leave most of the water containers empty for the journey through the mountains. I'm hoping i can get 700 gallons of water in reno. I"m gonna try the fire station. I've had good luck before with getting water for the hot tub from various fire depts. There's a bit of brotherhood among firefighters.
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Postby whispergrrl » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:11 pm

How long do you anticipate the trip taking - drive out, BM, drive back to MI?
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Postby lapeer20m » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:28 pm

well, it's about 2,300 miles...that's less than 50 hours drive time one way. Just about anybody can drive the bus, it has an automatic transmission, and is not classified as a commercial vehicle. If we take turns we can litereally drive for 16 hours without stopping if we had the desire. We have to ability to cook, eat, sleep, use the bathroom, lounge in the hot tub, ect all while driving. after 16 hours we need to stop for diesel. If we take turns driving, and push ourselves, we can make the drive in 50 hours. I think this is realistic for the trip home. I-80 is really boring, but very direct.

The trip out will probably take longer. I'd really like to take the northern route(I-90) and see some of the sites. Mt rushmore, yellowstone ect. I'd like to take a week to get out there
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Postby whispergrrl » Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:44 pm

I just spent the last 30 minutes or so poking around your website....you have done an awesome job with the bus! I would love to be able to join you and your friends on the ride out to BM 2004...looks like you will be riding in style!
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Postby lapeer20m » Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:04 pm

who has a good idea for a theme camp??? I've considered a hazardous material superfund site complete with 55 gallon drums labeled with nuclear radiation placards, fully encapsulating haz-mat suits, and fake gieger counters.
Why this theme? i don't know, just thought it would be fun, and cheep too

anyone have any better theme ideas? or any good ideas for the above theme? We have a year to put something new different and exciting together.


seen the bus? her nickname is The Black Plague www.geocities.com/blackplaguetour
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Postby seaquesta » Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:07 pm

You could get folks to bring their "art" from the past burns and lable it all toxic to the, those that don't burn. Giving you a further twist on the nuke idea and bring in experience from past burns.
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Postby Bob » Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:30 pm

Hualapai Nuclear Power Station
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Postby Kinetic » Wed Sep 10, 2003 9:13 pm

A nuclear themed camp...considering that Gerlach is having to add filters to their water supply due to the 5x higher than normal Uranium content, and on top of that we have the ORG running PSA's on BMIR saying children should wear dust masks due to traces of plutonium dust (or some kind of radioactive material), this might be an easy camp to pull off.

btw Bob, I love the nuke power station pic.
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Postby J » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:02 am

You know, I think I might hike down from Toronto to hitch a ride for '04
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Postby lapeer20m » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:05 am

i'm only an hour from the border......either windsor, or sarnia.
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Postby J » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:26 am

yes an hour from the border,

But 6 by greyhound from Toronto. I must check the logistics before I jump aboard.

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holy shit

Postby J » Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:39 am

You are a mechanical master

I just went over the site, all of it and I think I'm willing to spend 6 hours on a bus. How much would I have to chip in for gas and what not, I realise this is soley reliant on the amount of people going.
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Postby lapeer20m » Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:53 pm

It won't be cheap,however it will be a lot cheaper than a carribean cruise. lol I'm guessing $500 US per person. That'll include the ride, fuel, some meals, water, and electricity for the week. I'm not looking to make money, i would just like to cover the expenses of some of the projects/objects i have to buy that are related to the trip.

you'll still be responsible for some of your meals, tickets to the event, and who know's what else. It's still a year away. As i get more organized, i'll get the dollar amount figured out more acurately. It also depends heavily on how many people are going. The more people that come, the more the comfort level of each person declines, but the cost per person declines as well. We have to find the "happy place"

this trip is gonna be beyond awsome !
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Postby Kinetic » Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:23 pm

lapeer20m wrote:It won't be cheap,however it will be a lot cheaper than a carribean cruise. lol I'm guessing $500 US per person. That'll include the ride, fuel, some meals, water, and electricity for the week. I'm not looking to make money, i would just like to cover the expenses of some of the projects/objects i have to buy that are related to the trip.

you'll still be responsible for some of your meals, tickets to the event, and who know's what else. It's still a year away. As i get more organized, i'll get the dollar amount figured out more acurately. It also depends heavily on how many people are going. The more people that come, the more the comfort level of each person declines, but the cost per person declines as well. We have to find the "happy place"

this trip is gonna be beyond awsome !


I spent $400 one way on gas this year. And that was nothing compared to my trip back when I went to the Bay Area and paid $2.35 a gallon in Sacramento on the way in. I'm used to $1.65 a gal...that hurt. Anyway considering how that bus looks and how inviting that hot tub is, the possible cost sounds like a damn good deal.
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Postby J » Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:09 pm

500 yankee dollars, yikes, that's like $8 billion CDN (give or take), on the other hand it is a bitchin' ride. I'll have to wait and see before I throw my hat over the wall.
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Postby Kinetic » Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:58 pm

It's a lot of water in the middle of the freakin desert. You can't put a price on that....

If I didn't have so much invested in my own setup, one soon to be 16 yo to haul along and it looks like an art car or scooter-artcar to haul out there I'd gladly shell out the funds for this. The bus is just flat out cool.
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Postby lapeer20m » Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:18 am

unlike gasoline, diesel fuel here in MI is only about 1.50/gallon. It always seems that when i travel, other states have cheaper fuel than Michigan, the exception being California. I'm hoping the price of fuel doesnt go up significantly, or we'll have to start burning used french fry grease! (french fry grease really does work in a diesel engine, if it's refined first)
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Postby PetsUntilEaten » Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:01 pm

Kinetic wrote:the ORG running PSA's on BMIR saying children should wear dust masks due to traces of plutonium dust (or some kind of radioactive material), this might be an easy camp to pull off.


Ha! The same radio that said that Larry had just been served papers to shut down the event immediately on Thursday or so. Trusty news source. I nearly missed my playdate partner that afternoon because he went off to find Ladybee to investigate. . . . I might need smarter playmates.
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