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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Jackass » Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:28 pm

Eric wrote:
maladroit wrote:The time to hope for rain was months ago. We shouldn't be trying to wish rain upon all the people heading out soon to build the event.


Let's not forget what they had to put up with last year!



Yes^, this is why the playa stayed mostly intact throughout the week. Best surface conditions I can recall. I definitely brought home a lot less playa than in recent years.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Token » Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:38 pm

Seems we got lots of new folks so I'll rehash some of the science discussed with quite a few credible folks on playa how. This was years ago so my paraphrase may be a bit loose and simplified.

The surface conditions are governed by how many freeze/thaw cycles the top layer of playa goes through over the wet winter months.

Though the lake bed itself is dry most of the year, the water is not too far below the surface. When fall/winter rains place enough water to cover an inch or few of depth on the surface, conditions are formed for compaction to occur.

If several freeze/thaw cycles happen while the playa is sufficiently moist, compaction occurs and we get that lovely hard-pan we all love.

If there are no freeze cycles, or insufficient water in the playa to freeze, we get the crunchy, fluffy talc that crumbles underfoot like walking on corn-chips.

Rain at this point in time would only aid in dust abatement and would not contribute to any manner of improvement of the playa surface with regards to the thousands of vehicles that will tear it up.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby geospyder » Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:49 pm

Tornado Warning
Issued at 6:24 PM
Expires at 7:00 PM Monday, July 21, 2014
Areas Affected: Virginia City, NV | Empire, NV | Gerlach, NV | Nixon, NV | Sparks, NV | Sun Valley, NV | Verdi, NV | Wadsworth, NV | Incline Village, NV | Reno, NV | Washoe Valley, NV

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RENO NV
623 PM PDT MON JUL 21 2014
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RENO HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTH CENTRAL STOREY COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
SOUTH CENTRAL WASHOE COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
* UNTIL 700 PM PDT

* AT 620 PM PDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A FUNNEL CLOUD
NEAR PATRICK ON INTERSTATE 80...OR 13 MILES EAST OF RENO...MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH.

* LOCATIONS AFFECTED INCLUDE...PATRICK.
THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL AFFECT INTERSTATE 80 IN NEVADA BETWEEN MILE
MARKERS 25 AND 29.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

WHEN A TORNADO WARNING IS ISSUED BASED ON DOPPLER RADAR...IT MEANS
THAT STRONG ROTATION HAS BEEN DETECTED IN THE STORM. A TORNADO MAY
ALREADY BE ON THE GROUND...OR IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP SHORTLY. IF YOU
ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS DANGEROUS STORM...MOVE INDOORS AND TO THE
LOWEST LEVEL OF THE BUILDING. STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS. IF DRIVING...DO
NOT SEEK SHELTER UNDER A HIGHWAY OVERPASS.

IF IN MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES...EVACUATE THEM AND GET INSIDE A
SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN THE
NEAREST DITCH OR OTHER LOW SPOT AND COVER YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR HANDS.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby lucky420 » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:50 pm

Nada so far in nw Reno
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby geospyder » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:55 pm

Just got dumped on in East Sparks.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Jovankat » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:25 am

geospyder wrote:Tornado Warning
Issued at 6:24 PM
Expires at 7:00 PM Monday, July 21, 2014
Areas Affected: Virginia City, NV | Empire, NV | Gerlach, NV | Nixon, NV | Sparks, NV | Sun Valley, NV | Verdi, NV | Wadsworth, NV | Incline Village, NV | Reno, NV | Washoe Valley, NV

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RENO NV
623 PM PDT MON JUL 21 2014
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RENO HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTH CENTRAL STOREY COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
SOUTH CENTRAL WASHOE COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
* UNTIL 700 PM PDT

* AT 620 PM PDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A FUNNEL CLOUD
NEAR PATRICK ON INTERSTATE 80...OR 13 MILES EAST OF RENO...MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH.

* LOCATIONS AFFECTED INCLUDE...PATRICK.
THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL AFFECT INTERSTATE 80 IN NEVADA BETWEEN MILE
MARKERS 25 AND 29.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

WHEN A TORNADO WARNING IS ISSUED BASED ON DOPPLER RADAR...IT MEANS
THAT STRONG ROTATION HAS BEEN DETECTED IN THE STORM. A TORNADO MAY
ALREADY BE ON THE GROUND...OR IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP SHORTLY. IF YOU
ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS DANGEROUS STORM...MOVE INDOORS AND TO THE
LOWEST LEVEL OF THE BUILDING. STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS. IF DRIVING...DO
NOT SEEK SHELTER UNDER A HIGHWAY OVERPASS.

IF IN MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES...EVACUATE THEM AND GET INSIDE A
SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN THE
NEAREST DITCH OR OTHER LOW SPOT AND COVER YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR HANDS.


:shock: :shock: :shock:

A tornado on playa during the event would kill people right?! :shock:
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby jneilvindy » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:09 am

Jovankat wrote:
geospyder wrote:Tornado Warning
Issued at 6:24 PM
Expires at 7:00 PM Monday, July 21, 2014
Areas Affected: Virginia City, NV | Empire, NV | Gerlach, NV | Nixon, NV | Sparks, NV | Sun Valley, NV | Verdi, NV | Wadsworth, NV | Incline Village, NV | Reno, NV | Washoe Valley, NV

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
TORNADO WARNING
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE RENO NV
623 PM PDT MON JUL 21 2014
THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN RENO HAS ISSUED A
* TORNADO WARNING FOR...
NORTH CENTRAL STOREY COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
SOUTH CENTRAL WASHOE COUNTY IN WESTERN NEVADA...
* UNTIL 700 PM PDT

* AT 620 PM PDT...TRAINED WEATHER SPOTTERS REPORTED A FUNNEL CLOUD
NEAR PATRICK ON INTERSTATE 80...OR 13 MILES EAST OF RENO...MOVING
NORTHEAST AT 10 MPH.

* LOCATIONS AFFECTED INCLUDE...PATRICK.
THIS TORNADIC STORM WILL AFFECT INTERSTATE 80 IN NEVADA BETWEEN MILE
MARKERS 25 AND 29.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

WHEN A TORNADO WARNING IS ISSUED BASED ON DOPPLER RADAR...IT MEANS
THAT STRONG ROTATION HAS BEEN DETECTED IN THE STORM. A TORNADO MAY
ALREADY BE ON THE GROUND...OR IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP SHORTLY. IF YOU
ARE IN THE PATH OF THIS DANGEROUS STORM...MOVE INDOORS AND TO THE
LOWEST LEVEL OF THE BUILDING. STAY AWAY FROM WINDOWS. IF DRIVING...DO
NOT SEEK SHELTER UNDER A HIGHWAY OVERPASS.

IF IN MOBILE HOMES OR VEHICLES...EVACUATE THEM AND GET INSIDE A
SUBSTANTIAL SHELTER. IF NO SHELTER IS AVAILABLE...LIE FLAT IN THE
NEAREST DITCH OR OTHER LOW SPOT AND COVER YOUR HEAD WITH YOUR HANDS.


:shock: :shock: :shock:

A tornado on playa during the event would kill people right?! :shock:


13 miles East of Reno is over a 100 miles from Burning man as the tornado flies. No worries!

But to answer your question, yeah, tornado level winds would be pretty destructive to a city composed of tents and RV's. Especially on the open flatness of the playa with no real solid structures or folds in the land to hunker down in/behind.

However the likely hood of anything that severe hitting during the event is astronomical. You're far more likely to be ran over by a vehicle or kill yourself on rebar that to die in a tornado on the playa!
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby FlyingMonkey » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:02 am

A Sharknado would be much worse.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:06 am

How about a sea monknado?
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby happydragon » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:36 am

What about week long alcoholic revelers?

[quote="Mojori"] weekend alcoholic revelers BEGONE!!!!

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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby maladroit » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:43 am

RVnado
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:48 am

happydragon wrote:What about week long alcoholic revelers?

Mojori wrote: weekend alcoholic revelers BEGONE!!!!

{/quote]

Ah, happydragon, you need to use the square brackets, not the curly ones... [[[
so
Mojori wrote: weekend alcoholic revelers BEGONE!!!!


Although, I agree that life is sadly lacking in occassions to use curly brackets. Or brackets in general, but since I don't kn ow how to do the footnote symbols beyond the asterisk, I'll happily go [1], [2], [3]...

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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby FlyingMonkey » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:50 am

maladroit wrote:RVnado


Not a performance art project that I want to be part of (literally).
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby maladroit » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:53 am

A tornado made from RVs, dead glowsticks, pee-mud, weekenders, feathers, EZ-ups, camp drama, and stolen bikes.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby FlyingMonkey » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:55 am

maladroit wrote:A tornado made from RVs, dead glowsticks, pee-mud, weekenders, feathers, EZ-ups, camp drama, and stolen bikes.


.....And flames swirling out the sides. There must be fire.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby maladroit » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:57 am

The tornado is not supposed to have anything we like in it!
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:07 am

be very careful about what you ask for...



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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Eric » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:21 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:be very careful about what you ask for...



the universe listens.


He ain't kidding (though they're dust devils, which aren't as strong as a tornado)

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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby FlyingMonkey » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:47 am

Simon of the Playa wrote:be very careful about what you ask for...



the universe listens.


But it seems to have very selective hearing.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby jneilvindy » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:54 am

maladroit wrote:A tornado made from RVs, dead glowsticks, pee-mud, weekenders, feathers, EZ-ups, camp drama, and stolen bikes.


It's the camp drama that I fear will cause the most injuries!

Although I once knew a drag performer who could snap a dollar bill in half with a feather boa.

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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jul 22, 2014 12:27 pm

So, if one of those Dust Devils comes by, put up your keffia to prevent breathing of dust/lumps of dust, cover your eyes to keep dust and dust lumps out, and put in your earplugs to keep shitty music out.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby maladroit » Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:41 pm

There actually was a dust devil that big in 2013...I was on the inner playa working on an art piece but from there it appeared to dominate the 9:00 side of the city.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Desert_Rat » Tue Jul 22, 2014 11:03 pm

Reno weather on Sunday….but did the playa get wet the past couple days?

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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby lucky420 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:35 am

Watching the radar last night, there looked to be some big cells up over that way...
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby remi » Wed Jul 23, 2014 8:18 am

I saw Fernley on the local weather station in Calgary. They were showing video's of a massive dust storm that was going by. Reminded me of the playa and I got super stoked.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby engineer2012 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:33 pm

VultureChow wrote:Last year was super nice, but my recollection of 2012 was that the nights were damn cold.

And I thought we had one really nice dustup on either Thursday or Friday afternoon. Whatever night Wall Street was originally scheduled to burn.

But that's as far back as my knowledge goes. I really liked that dust storm.



Indeed, 2012, Friday was dusty all day. Just before CT the Man disapeared in the dust, and I was 15 meters away. The evening was even worse. Having a good time at Crossroads, but dust storm all evening. Did not mind, loved it even. Be prepared.
Burn night though, was the most beautiful nights off all. Warm, no dust but only from the Man burn, dust devils. Magic.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby geospyder » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:54 pm

engineer2012 wrote:
VultureChow wrote:Last year was super nice, but my recollection of 2012 was that the nights were damn cold.

And I thought we had one really nice dustup on either Thursday or Friday afternoon. Whatever night Wall Street was originally scheduled to burn.

But that's as far back as my knowledge goes. I really liked that dust storm.



Indeed, 2012, Friday was dusty all day. Just before CT the Man disapeared in the dust, and I was 15 meters away. The evening was even worse. Having a good time at Crossroads, but dust storm all evening. Did not mind, loved it even. Be prepared.
Burn night though, was the most beautiful nights off all. Warm, no dust but only from the Man burn, dust devils. Magic.


The night Wall Street burned we got lost. I had my dust mask and goggles but I had forgotten to replace the dark lens with clear lens. Eyes were protected but I couldn't see anything :( We headed toward the loud music thinking it would lead us to the large sound camps at the edge of the city. Unknown to us at the time, we were following an art car with loud music and he was also lost. When we reached the dunes at the right edge of the city we all realized our mistake. Even then it was miserable trying to negotiate the Esplanade while essentially being blind. Wasn't a good night. Since then I've replaced my "two" lens goggles with a pair that has photochromic lens :) I also way point my camp on my hand help GPS and the GPS stays in my bag. If we had missed the edge of the city who knows where we might have ended up.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby maladroit » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:57 pm

engineer2012 wrote:Indeed, 2012, Friday was dusty all day. Just before CT the Man disapeared in the dust, and I was 15 meters away. The evening was even worse. Having a good time at Crossroads, but dust storm all evening. Did not mind, loved it even. Be prepared.
Burn night though, was the most beautiful nights off all. Warm, no dust but only from the Man burn, dust devils. Magic.


I was there at Crossroads that night, too...they sang their hearts out in the dust until they couldn't anymore. It was time to go hunker down in my tent and think about the week coming to an end.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby Eric » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:01 pm

engineer2012 wrote:Indeed, 2012, Friday was dusty all day. Just before CT the Man disapeared in the dust, and I was 15 meters away. The evening was even worse. Having a good time at Crossroads, but dust storm all evening. Did not mind, loved it even. Be prepared.


That night turned into one of my favorites ever at Burning Man - and we ended up partying in the RV all night due to the dust. Everyone who was there (20 year vets to newbies) has said it was one of their favorite nights at the Burn ever. The Burn is more than the lights & the parties, it's the people you get to meet & hang out with.
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Re: Playa Conditions 2014

Postby engineer2012 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 1:45 pm

Eric wrote:
That night turned into one of my favorites ever at Burning Man - and we ended up partying in the RV all night due to the dust. Everyone who was there (20 year vets to newbies) has said it was one of their favorite nights at the Burn ever. The Burn is more than the lights & the parties, it's the people you get to meet & hang out with.


So true. I met some people that night at Crossroads. Shared stories of the week. Good conversation. Laughter. Good memory.
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