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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:37 am

@mdmf007

I did wear a mask for much of the time apart from the occasional sand storm. But there are other factors such as dust where you sleep, one clothes in your hair which all contribute to an increased level of inhalation. I'm trying to draw your awareness of the fact that the dust is hazardous and not merely a nuisance.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:41 am

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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:54 am

er Simon, is that supposed to make me feel better or worse?
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:59 am

thats entirely up to you.

as is pretty much everything.

you can bitch and moan about the shitty shoes you have, but quite frankly, the guy with no feet dont wanna hear it.


half full? half empty? or in your case, Poisoned and Unlabeled?

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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:01 am

stupid - what do you mean by that? So I am really stupid, stupid for bringing facts to light or stupid in thinking there is anyone at BM who cares a JOT about their lungs.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:04 am

whats a Jot, a johnny on the spot?

what do you mean by people who dont give a johnny on the spot about their lungs?


clarify please, you're beginning to get a little scattered...

maybe it's the dust.
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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:06 am

JOT is very small amount. Its an old fashioned expression that you may not have heard. So you dont give a damn about your lungs!
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:09 am

i do...they breathe for me, and when i die, you can scrape the resin out and smoke it.

what i dont give a damn about is your pathetic attempt to blame whatever it is that ails you on the playa and/or burning man for not telling you that it might be bad for you.

golly, it's not higher math, or even emerging technology, it's COMMON FUCKING SENSE.

please, please, go buy yourself a clue.
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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:14 am

Simon,

Did I mention blame? All I am doing is getting at the truth...
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:25 am

as am i.
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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:29 am

Well Simon, we get a truth by uncovering the evidence and not making allegations or personal insults. Have you provided evidence to suggest that:

1. My beliefs over safety are unfounded?
2. BM provided adequate information about the safety of the event?
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:33 am

since you are sounding so lawyer-like and shit, i'll ask you the same.

have you proven your case with any facts besides some hearsay, conjecture and anecdotal (at best) "evidence"...


and yes, your beliefs about safety are unfounded.

are you perhaps one of those people that never leaves their house?
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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:42 am

OK papers are articles:

Silica:

http://www.osha.gov/OshDoc/data_General ... tsheet.pdf

Owens lake:

http://geochange.er.usgs.gov/sw/impacts/geology/owens/
http://www.gbuapcd.org/Information/Owen ... ffects.htm

I can find thousands of papers on google about the effect of silica, silicosis and lung cancer. Its all there for the reader. Do you hae any evidence that states that Playa dust is safe?
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:49 am

as far as i know burning man has never been held at owens lake...


i'm sure they will inform you if they do.


what is your agenda? are you looking to sue? are you just a pain in the ass?
were you like this as a kid too?

questions, questions...

if you are a lawyer or someone with litigious intentions just say so and stop wasting bandwidth.

if you are really freaking out about this, i feel really really truly sorry for you.

you must lead a very fearful life.
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Postby H.G.Crosby » Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:57 am

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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:04 am

Owens lake is a similar playa surface to BM playa and it has been documented...so it makes sense to consider this a case study.

No I am not a lawyer. Just a concerned individual with no agenda apart from the safety of me and those that I care about.
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Emergenttech in 2010?

Postby lbhat » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:34 am

emergenttech,
would it be safe to assume you will not be attending Burning Man in 2010?
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Postby emergenttech » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:36 am

Well in 2010, who knows. If I felt more easy about the dust and its consequences, then I would love to!
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:41 am

Well in 2010, who knows. If I felt more easy about the dust and its consequences, then I would love to!




honey, something tells me there is just not enough valium in the world.


you, and this thread are a waste of time.


i rarely do this, but you are now plonked...on ignore, simply because you are an incessant bore.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:17 am

Are there other things we should be warning Emergentech about?
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Postby ygmir » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:24 am

might this be analogized to a person complaining in a bar, and warning the patrons within, about the ill effects of alcohol?..........

we know,
we accept the risk,
the bar doesn't need to tell us (although, here in PRC, they have to post a sign so stating).

we are (mostly) intelligent adults.
As appreciative as some of us may be for your attempt to enlighten us to the dangers you feel we are not aware of, I'd submit we are aware of the potentials, and, willingly assume the risk.
And, as sorry I am that you are freaked out about said conditions, I am not going to pat your hand and assure you "it'll be fine"..........
I will state "it'll be fine" but, won't really care if you believe me or not.

I do hope you can settle this within yourself, whether you Burn, or not........
seems disturbing for you.........

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Postby Fire_Moose » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:44 am

Do smokers care less about playa getting in their lungs then non-smokers?
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Postby ibdave » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:49 am

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I live in the central Valley of California, it is said that if you die here the autopsy will most likely show that you will have Valley Lung. http://www.medicinenet.com/valley_fever/article.htm

How many Millions live here? We know the facts/risk yet we still choose to live here.

12 years 7-10 days each year, I think it's going to take many more years to impact my lungs to the alarm that your trying to crank up. What about everyone that live in the Black Rock Region?

My goal in life is to mess up that autopsy and confuse them with Playa Lung.

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Postby Risky » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:20 pm

emergenttech wrote:So you dont give a damn about your lungs!


There's something about that statement that makes me crave a big fat cigar.
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Postby ygmir » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:21 pm

Risky wrote:
emergenttech wrote:So you dont give a damn about your lungs!


There's something about that statement that makes me crave a big fat cigar.


you are such a minx.............

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Postby mdmf007 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:36 pm

Emergenttech reminds me of the hypochondriac on the TV show "Northern Exposure" tracks world winds, and chemical plant outfalls, and forest fires plotting the rates of dissipation before it hits him in Alaska.

You win - no one is going to Bm 2010, the health risks are just too high. And your right, I stopped caring about my lungs. Death takes years of your life - at the end, and those years suck anyways.
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Postby magicmarty » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:20 pm

mdmf007, I loved Northern Exposure and remember the character of whom you speak
"Creativity requires the courage to let go of certainties" - Erich Fromm

Stay firm but loose!

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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:17 am

bubble boy.


.was also on ER as a doctor.....go figure.
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Postby Deb Prothero » Wed Oct 21, 2009 3:54 am

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As much as I had a good time at BM...I really don't need the agony of the potential health problems.


Glad to see you've resolved not to attend. Can we have fun now?
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Postby emergenttech » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:42 am

@ ibdave:

"12 years 7-10 days each year, I think it's going to take many more years to impact my lungs to the alarm that your trying to crank up. What about everyone that live in the Black Rock Region?"

What if the short exposure at BM is enough to cause severe problems because the intensity of the exposure. The lag in health problems might be leading people into a false sense of security. I really do not know about the incidence of pneumoconiosis and lung cancer amongst locals in Black Rock...

As I say I draw yr attention to the wild card nature of the exposure setting and the potential not really being able to quantify as yet the relation between exposure and lung cancer...although exposure would be expected to be large.

Yes for all those who bang on about risk. I understand risk quite well, if I go into a smoky bar I can appreciate the risks of passive smoking: i.e. I know its there and I know the risks I am undertaking. But what about BM - I and I think many people do not know of the potential implications of attending from specifically the surface itself.

I really hope the exposures and harm coming to people who go to BM (inc my friends) are negligible. But as you can appreciate its fairly hard to quantify.
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