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Totally clueless englishman

Postby nosebag » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:28 am

Hi Guys and Dolls,

I am planning on attending BM 2011 for my Honeymoon.

We will be coming from the UK,

me and my soon to be wife are putting together some costings so we can start saving now.

Can some one point me in the right direction on finding out answers to the following questions.

Where is the best for us to fly in to?
Best place to Rent car/van?
Ball park figure of what you are likely to spend at the festival?
General advice for noobs?

plus if you could link to me any threads that you feel will help me plan this very exciting trip

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Postby Turnip » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:36 am

I spent like 6 bucks on ice and only bought 2 iced teas at the cafe.



Everything else is free, as commerce isn't allowed at BM beyond there.


I guess the answer for how much you will spend there is relative to how much ice and cafe you want.
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Postby nosebag » Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:42 am

[quote="Turnip"]I spent like 6 bucks on ice and only bought 2 iced teas at the cafe.



Everything else is free, as commerce isn't allowed at BM beyond there.


I guess the answer for how much you will spend there is relative to how much ice and cafe you want.[/quote]

haha i am definitely going to need ice for my PIMS

do you know of any good car/van rental companies - and where is best to pick them up from

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Postby Fire_Moose » Tue Jan 04, 2011 7:45 am

fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.
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Postby ygmir » Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:45 am

welcome nosebag:

you'd be well advised, to read the survival, and first timers guides on the main site.

Then, DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK.
there is a lot of info here on eplaya, in differing, and multiple threads.
you'll need to go to the index, and start searching topics and reading.
Know, not all the advise here is "real" (only spending a couple bucks for the whole event on ice and coffee) usually, we save the snark for page 2
If, you read all this info, and also google specific questions, and, can't find the answers, ask here.
But, if you get lazy, and just ask for the obvious, be prepared for some folks to not have kind responses.

Burning Man is about "self reliance" and, we all try to promote that.

But, we're all also to go the extra yard, for those who are trying to help themselves.
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Postby TomServo » Tue Jan 04, 2011 9:45 am

ygmir likes Absinthe...bring him some.

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Postby junglesmacks » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:29 am

God I had an absinthe shot on NYE sugar cube and all.. holy hell was that one of the most disgusting tastes I've ever tasted.. blech bach yuck ack
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Postby ygmir » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:31 am

junglesmacks wrote:God I had an absinthe shot on NYE sugar cube and all.. holy hell was that one of the most disgusting tastes I've ever tasted.. blech bach yuck ack

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Re: Totally clueless englishman

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:34 am

nosebag wrote:Where is the best for us to fly in to?
Best place to Rent car/van?
There are some car companies that are burner friendly. I don't know which ones, but poke around in this subforum and you'll find lots of suggestions.
Note, distances in the America west are huge. San Francisco is (depending on factors) probably five or six hours and Reno is almost two. Start going to Salt Lake City or Los Angeles and you're talking some serious driving. That should be a considered factor.
nosebag wrote:General advice for noobs?
It's called "The First Timers Guide"
And this is the Survival Guide.

nosebag wrote:plus if you could link to me any threads that you feel will help me plan this very exciting trip

The Q&A, Tips and Tricks is a very good place to start browsing.

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Postby phil » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:17 am

Louise has a few pages with shopping information for you:
http://civilizedexplorer.pbworks.com/w/page/15934810/CivExReno

She has links to stores for tents, hardware, and the like; stores for food, ice, liquor, and such; stores for lodging while you're in Reno; stores for renting stuff. Shopping pages include links to maps to each store, lists of stores by expressway exit, lists of stores by item, and such. The RenoRV page lists places that rent RVs; some of the places do not rent to Burners because the RVs are returned in deplorable condition. They will not change their mind because you promise to do better -- I'm sorry to say they have heard that before. Some will rent to Burners; of those that do, some charge a premium to clean the RV.

As others have mentioned, do your homework -- you are on the right track to start planning now.

Good luck and have fun. Louise and I give away Burner clothes on the Friday before the Burn. If you can remember, drop me a private message here in August when we know where we'll be located and we'll let you know where to show up for free clothes.
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Postby Lord Of Ruin » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:36 am

Fire_Moose wrote:fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.


Actually that would probably be Fly into Reno or Sacramento. Why fly in to something 5 hours away by car?
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Postby Lord Of Ruin » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:41 am

Ok, as others have said, read the material already available. Start on the BM website and go from there.

I'd recommend getting out a notebook and start from the general to specific in your planning.

So to begin, you'll have "transportation, food, shelter, water/hygiene, & clothes/gear."

As you research each area, you'll come to some sort of decision on how you want to do each one, how much emphasis (read: money) you want to spend on each area.

You will revise them continually as the event approaches. This is normal.

You may want to consider joining a theme camp for convenience sake. You'd pay a small camp fee, and have a few chores, but you'd likely get some infrastructure and support out of the deal.

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Postby Dr. Pyro » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:36 pm

If you fly into Sacramento, the owner of the AVIS/Budget dealership is very burner friendly. PM me if you would like the information. Also our camp might be able to assist with logistical support if necessary. There's only about 150 of us at your disposal.
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Postby Fire_Moose » Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:43 pm

Lord Of Ruin wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.


Actually that would probably be Fly into Reno or Sacramento. Why fly in to something 5 hours away by car?



Northern Ca. is all the same. Like an Arizonian would know the difference.



And i hate to be the barer of bad news, but the Borg had a conference this morning and ended up banning the English, sorry.
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Postby ygmir » Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:47 pm

Fire_Moose wrote:
Lord Of Ruin wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.


Actually that would probably be Fly into Reno or Sacramento. Why fly in to something 5 hours away by car?



Northern Ca. is all the same. Like an Arizonian would know the difference.



And i hate to be the barer of bad news, but the Borg had a conference this morning and ended up banning the English, sorry.


if they banned the Englsh, will that go for their "protectorates" and such, too?

I do loves me some Canuks and Aussies.............

and the English..........

hell, I loves 'em all.
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Postby tamarakay » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:22 pm

dang, i'm just coming from texas and i get a bit overwhelmed at times.

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Postby MisaBlue » Tue Jan 04, 2011 2:45 pm

Hi Nosebag!
Do the readings, explore eplaya and make friends here - this was what helped me to come for my first burn in 2010 and I cannot be more grateful to them.
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Postby Sham » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:19 pm

MisaBlue wrote:Hi Nosebag!
Do the readings, explore eplaya and make friends here - this was what helped me to come for my first burn in 2010 and I cannot be more grateful to them.

.....and Misa, will you be back for 2011? :D
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Postby knowmad » Tue Jan 04, 2011 5:22 pm

ygmir wrote:
junglesmacks wrote:God I had an absinthe shot on NYE sugar cube and all.. holy hell was that one of the most disgusting tastes I've ever tasted.. blech bach yuck ack

*takes junglesmacks off the "sharing" list*


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Postby MisaBlue » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:03 am

Shambala wrote:
MisaBlue wrote:Hi Nosebag!
Do the readings, explore eplaya and make friends here - this was what helped me to come for my first burn in 2010 and I cannot be more grateful to them.

.....and Misa, will you be back for 2011? :D


I dont have ticket nor the flight ticket in my pocket yet, but yes, I will be back ;) How could I resist and not go.
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Postby theCryptofishist » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:07 pm

Fire_Moose wrote:
Lord Of Ruin wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.


Actually that would probably be Fly into Reno or Sacramento. Why fly in to something 5 hours away by car?



Northern Ca. is all the same. Like an Arizonian would know the difference.

The last time I thought of flying in and out of Sacramento (admitedly in the 90s) it was an $800 dollar difference over Oaklan. That's $80 an hour that one might pay oneself by driving an extra 10 hours round trip.
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Postby Lord Of Ruin » Wed Jan 05, 2011 12:38 pm

theCryptofishist wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:
Lord Of Ruin wrote:
Fire_Moose wrote:fly into Reno or San Fran or San Jose.

get yer rental now, do not tell them yer going to the burn, tell them rib cook off in Reno.


Actually that would probably be Fly into Reno or Sacramento. Why fly in to something 5 hours away by car?



Northern Ca. is all the same. Like an Arizonian would know the difference.

The last time I thought of flying in and out of Sacramento (admitedly in the 90s) it was an $800 dollar difference over Oaklan. That's $80 an hour that one might pay oneself by driving an extra 10 hours round trip.


Well, since you're located in a "small Magellanic cloud," I would expect that some sort of bizarre route pricing comes into effect.

I guess my main point was to LOOK AT A FUCKIN' MAP! to the OP. There are a number of travel options/tradeoffs to be had (mileage on that rental truck/car might eat up the airline savings, for instance). In some parts of the world, there might be only one airport serving a festival. Here, there are a number of options with advantages/disadvantages, etc.
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Postby capjbadger » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:04 pm

ygmir wrote:
junglesmacks wrote:God I had an absinthe shot on NYE sugar cube and all.. holy hell was that one of the most disgusting tastes I've ever tasted.. blech bach yuck ack

*takes junglesmacks off the "sharing" list*

I'll take junglesmacks spot! :D

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Postby ygmir » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:40 pm

happy to pour for ya, CAp.
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Postby Teo del Fuego » Thu Jan 06, 2011 11:48 am

As for what you are likely to spend while AT Burning Man, one of the earliest responses is correct: very little. Unlike Glastonbury, almost nothing is for sale at Burning Man. You will need ice, most likely every day. Ice goes for $4 per bag. Center Camp sells cappuccino, espresso, lemonade, vitamin water, etc. for about $4 a go. If you leave the event and re-enter it's something like $25-$30.

Your costs getting there, surviving the weather, and getting home, of course, are highly variable. The biggest challenge you will have is renting transportation from the airport to BM and back again, as well as, making a pretty intelligent shopping list and scoring all your food, shelter, water, and blinky needs en route. There is a ride-share thread or forum somewhere on e-playa you should check out. Also, take Doc Pyro up on his offer of logistical assistance. He is a Playa legend and runs one of the best theme camps around.
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Postby graidawg » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:53 am

this post is exactly what i was looking for as i intend to travel solo from the uk for this years BM. you have given me places to look and good suggestions :D thank you
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Postby falk » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:29 pm

Turnip wrote:Everything else is free, as commerce isn't allowed at BM beyond there.


Careful here. This doesn't mean that you can get things you need for free at Burning Man. This means that you need to bring whatever you need with you because you can't buy it when you get there.

Total cost depends on what you do and what you bring. I can easily spend $4-5000 if I'm doing an art project. If you're just going as a tourist, it's just the cost of airfare, your ticket, and your camping supplies.

Renting an RV is hellaciously expensive and you need to start looking NOW. RV's are awesome, but too expensive if you ask me.

Instead of renting a car, see if you can cadge a ride from Reno with someone else who has one.

Read the survival guide. Read it again. Keep reading it until you no longer read something and say to yourself "oh, I missed that before".

IMHO, you should join a camp. There will be people to give you advice, help you set up, and fix you up with things you didn't bring because you didn't realize they were important. They also usually have shared shade structures which are extremely nice.

Theme camps are cool, but expensive and they usually don't take just anybody. See if you can find a camp of like-minded folks to hang out with.
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Postby graidawg » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:42 am

to nosebag - nimzy on another thread is a first timer too (and me) we are all england based and i would guess we collectivley have less of a clue than the ferrets on crack that attend regularly
she suggested we try meet up beforehand and see if we make a collective travel plan (minus the aaxe murderer)
this strikes me as a very clever starting point. if nothing else we can use it to share what we havew found out and posibbly make a camp together in the shade of some other more organized camp
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Postby graidawg » Fri Jan 21, 2011 3:44 am

oh yea remembered i know somebody in nevada who could probably help with a vehicle if i asked nicely :)
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Postby Colonel Monk » Fri Feb 04, 2011 3:04 pm

If it's your first year and it's super expensive for two people to rent an RV you might consider a 14 foot moving van.

I have a friend who does this with much success.

Fly into Reno (only 100 something miles away)
Get Van (preferably white)
Go to Walmart
Get an airbed
Cooler
Campchairs
Ice
Water
Food
Shade Tarps
Rope
etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc

Head out to BRC, park, inflate your bed, maybe set up some shade off the side of the van (toward the sunrise)

And there you go. You can have extra bonus points for going to Home Depot on the way and making a PVC shower and evap pool if you need to keep clean.

When you're done, try to get rid of the good stuff (like bed and whatever) and pack the rest and get rid of it at the dumpster stations on the way.

Drop off Van, hit airport, see ya!

Cheaper for sure than an RV. A bit more primitive, true, but it works for many.
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