Open Letter to BMOrg

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Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby jpccusa » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:59 am

Burning Man Organization,

What a fiasco this lottery system is. Once again, BMOrg underestimated its community, and once again the system failed. I was surprised to read the article below which mentions tickets problems since 2006. I was also surprised with the price of the tickets back then. With that said, I have the following questions:

1) Why are there tiers in the price of the tickets? It seems like the tiers have been one source of problems for the ticket sales. For concerts or games, it is understandable that people closer to the "action" pays a higher price for that privilege. At BM, everyone with a ticket has the same rights and privileges, so why does the BMOrg insists in having unfair and problematic tiered prices?

2) Why has the ticket prices gone up so much? Tier 1 went up 30% since 2006, tier 2 went up 60%, and tier 3 went up 73%. In contrast, the opposite happened to the number of tickets available in each tier. There was a shift from providing more of tier 1 tickets to more of tier 3. There are currently 16% less tier 1 tickets, 7% less tier 2, 17% more tier 3, and 6% more of tier 4 (pre-sale at $420). What this means is that BMOrg is making A LOT more money than it did only 6 years ago. To be more precise, with a population growth of about 62% (from 20,000 in 2006 to 53,000 in 2012), BMOrg had a revenue growth of 84% ($2,879,500 in 2006 to $18,210,000 in 2012). To tie in with my original question, how much has operations cost increased from 2006 to 2012 to justify the steep increase in ticket prices?

3) In the FAQ section, this can be read: "It has been our experience that a great many tickets are purchased for giving away, ensuring a project has coverage, or selling later to a friend in need. The administrative cost of changing the name on every ticket that ever changes hands exceeds our capacity. And frankly, many of your fellow [Burning Man] citizens are uncomfortable with the notion of showing ID just to enter the event." Have you guys explored this option any further? Have you surveyed the community? I am pretty sure after so many years of failed attempts, burners will be more than willing to show IDs in order to enter BM. The community is eager to have a system that works, and we understand the problem of ticket scarcity and scalpers. As for the administrative cost to handle the name changes on every ticket, perhaps that can be tied in to my question number 2.

I am eagerly waiting for the next JRS, for possible alternatives to the current problems, and for a better way of handling tickets sales in the future.

Sincerely,

Sour Patch

Articles:
1) http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-57372 ... ket-snafu/
2) http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-6028466-7.html
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby junglesmacks » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:10 pm

*yawn*
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby lemur » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:14 pm

hmm..

I wonder, if this letter should be addressed to the burning man organization or the black rock city llc..


perhaps both..

The Burning Man organization is made up of a staff of over 30 employees and independent contractors who work year-round out of headquarters in San Francisco, CA and Gerlach, NV to produce the Burning Man event and to propagate Burning Man culture around the world. The organizational structure that makes this possible is as follows:

The six-member Black Rock City LLC (the Board of Directors for the Burning Man Project) is headed by Larry Harvey, and includes Harley K. DuBois, Marian Goodell, Michael Mikel, Will Roger and Crimson Rose. The LLC governs the Burning Man Board, which includes the LLC and additional invited members.
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby trilobyte » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:20 pm

I'm moving this over to the tickets discussion.
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby Dr. Pyro » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:38 pm

One of his initial mistakes is the number of attendees in 2006. In 1999, my first year, we had 23,500. It has gone up sharply every year except 2009 (I believe it was). We certainly had much closer to 40,000 in '06 and perhaps even more. He needs to do his research more carefully or be dismissed as the bozo that he appears to be.
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby jpccusa » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:42 pm

Alright, so the population growth may not be so steep. That does not change the general idea of the letter. Whew!

Population in 2006 was of about 39,000 people. Population growth is of approximately 26% since then.
Ticket prices ranged from $185 to $280 in 2006. Tier 3 price is up 39%.
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby BBadger » Wed Feb 08, 2012 12:53 pm

An Open Letter to all Open Letter Writers:

Dear Open Letter Writers,

Open letters of all kinds are conceited soap boxes addressed--not to whomever the author purport the open letter is addressed to--but to the audience of readers of whom the authors assume they represent. In effect, an author of an open letter is preaching the choir to boost his own ego. Such is the arrogance of the open-letter-author that he assumes that by merely sharing it with the masses--and not sending it directly to the letter's addressee (because that never happens; it is always posted in a blog or a forum)--that the great news of the letter will travel to the addressee, forcing him to consider the great weight of such words, and the great backing of the open letter's actual intended audience.

If you want to make your opinion known to the people you wish to address your message to, please, send your "letter" to them directly, or just post as your own opinion. Don't fellate yourself with the notion that you are representing us, or anyone, with your "open letter," or that by writing it (and making it public) that it is making huge waves. Your addressees will probably not even know your "open letter" exists in the first place, and chances are, you're not even impressing your real intended audience either.

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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby jpccusa » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:06 pm

The letter was sent to BMOrg prior to being posted here. I am eagerly waiting for a response, and I will be sure to post their reply here.

By the way, it is better to stand up on a soap box and risk being called arrogant than to just sit back and watch an entire community get fucked like it has been. :wink:
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby alt12 » Wed Feb 08, 2012 1:32 pm

jpccusa wrote:The letter was sent to BMOrg prior to being posted here. I am eagerly waiting for a response, and I will be sure to post their reply here.

By the way, it is better to stand up on a soap box and risk being called arrogant than to just sit back and watch an entire community get fucked like it has been. :wink:


Dude, your numbers are so off it eliminated any credibility to your letter. IF I were BMORG I would shred it based on this alone. You failed to even do the most basic due diligence. All the information is clearly listed in the AfterBurn reports, including the very answers to your questions about where the money is going for the last 10 years:

http://afterburn.burningman.com/01/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/02/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/03/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/04/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/05/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/06/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/07/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/08/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/09/financial_chart.html
http://afterburn.burningman.com/10/financial_chart.html
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby skyhawkecks » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:44 pm

When is the 2011 Afterburn coming out?
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby lemur » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:53 pm

eventually
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby trilobyte » Mon Feb 13, 2012 6:40 pm

Hopefully within the next month or two.
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby jpccusa » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:19 am

As said is the article below, the BM LLC is not transparent enough, so the afterburn reports are somewhat useless.

http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2012/02/14 ... -and-bytes
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby marcgorcey » Wed Feb 15, 2012 10:25 am

Sources say the LLC is also trying to implement a system of having those who were awarded tickets on Feb. 1 register those tickets to specific individuals before they are mailed out in June and to create a regulated aftermarket ticket exchange in order to prevent scalpers from charging more than face value. The LLC has resisted creating such a system, which many burners have suggested since the event sold out for the first time last year and scalpers gouged buyers.



oh how I hope this is true...
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby Stephendragonfly » Wed Feb 15, 2012 12:14 pm

Looking at the Afterburn Reports
01 Payroll $607,000
02 Payroll $806,000
03 Payroll $1,047,528
04 Payroll $1,493,476
05 Payroll $1,759,934
06 Payroll $2,205,000
07 Payroll $2,802,000
08 Payroll $3,134,000
09 Payroll $2,858,000
10 Payroll $7,283,000

Why did payroll jump so high in 2010?
Will this change when the LLC goes to non profit??
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Re: Open Letter to BMOrg

Postby lemur » Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:43 pm

who gives a fuck ?
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