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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby vargaso » Sat Feb 11, 2012 2:02 am

Well, we're up to 17 out of 25 people with tickets. I"m confident we'll hit at least 20, wouldn't be surprised if we get all 25. We started out with 13 tickets when the lottery ended, so things are headed in the right direction (I still don't have one though, ha). Hope other camps see the same progression.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby mshaman » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:29 am

vargaso wrote:Well, we're up to 17 out of 25 people with tickets. I"m confident we'll hit at least 20, wouldn't be surprised if we get all 25. We started out with 13 tickets when the lottery ended, so things are headed in the right direction (I still don't have one though, ha). Hope other camps see the same progression.


How did you round up the other 4 tickets? We've been putting the feelers out and not getting far.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby vargaso » Sat Feb 11, 2012 10:57 am

Two people in camp had an extra ticket, one guy had a friend from another camp with an extra, and one woman hadn't reported in until yesterday and she had an extra.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby Lassen Forge » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:40 am

And our campers are starting to GET CREATIVE in how they address the ticket thing, because instead of figuring out how to bail out, they WANT TO BE A PART OF.

THAT is fucking important. We have a ffew who have solid leads on tix. GOOD FOR THEM. I have a couple more who will have staph tix - BULLY!!! I even have a couple Burgins With tix on the hook, and I FUCKING APPLAUD THEM for taking this tentative step onto the playa in the dust of our brand of DOOM!!!

People who have thrown in the towel THIS EARLY really don't want to do a theme camp anyway - they want to take the time off, back off, and do, fuck, I dunno... go to Maui. Go to Florida. Go to some other mundane place, than stand shoulder to shoulder with their FAMILY and MAKE MIRACLES HAPPEN, damnit.

I... and it took a few months to realize this... and part of it is thanks to a VERY good friend and camp leader of the enemy across the street... I have not much use for those who walk away to "do something else" because they need an EXCUSE not to do their camp, and this one is mighty convenient.

That shounds harsh, but when I joined Apok in Campaign Year 001, back in 2005, I found my home on the playa. It, to me, is no different than building some awesome art car (like, say, the Neverwas Haul) because it's something you LOVE. Even when I did FrackingEurope for 2 years, there was NO DOUBT where my home on the playa was. NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER. I think real burners who are REALLY part of a camp understand this.

When it DOES bore me, or I burn out on it, or do something else, I will hand the reins off to someone who has the same spark, just as our Fearless Detonator of Doom did to me.

So please... if you want to throw in the towel and not bring your camp out because this early on you don't have tickets... PLEASE DON'T COME. STAY AWAY. The playa will be better for it.

As for us - EVEN IF we're just 5 members and a mangy coverless dome and a couple costco carports - YAY... because we will BE THERE. PERIOD. I bet we do better than this, tho - because we KNOW where our home on the playa is. WE KNOW that what we do rocks. WE HAVE FUN. Do you? Or do you give up as soon as it gets a little difficult??

Enough of this - I have Domes to cover, structures to build, and Vodka to drink. Spasibo.


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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby RenoMonster » Sat Feb 11, 2012 11:45 am

Just heard that Gipsy Queen camp is not coming this year. Anyway, If your theme camp isn't going to make it, try combining camps. Maybe we should set up a new thread about combining camps this year? I'm very shy. However, I'd like to try a new experience and meet new friends.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby Lassen Forge » Sat Feb 11, 2012 12:13 pm

If your theme camp bailed on you THIS EARLY, SLAP your camp leader and TAKE IT OVER from them. Or find somewhere that WON'T ABANDON YOU like they just did.

Wanna hear a story? Good.

LAST YEAR I wasn't gonna go. I had, "other things". I wanted to, but wasn't meant to be. After all, tickets had sold out. Scalpers ruled the day. Fuck it, I'll go to RUSSIA. Or maybe Italy or the Bahamas or Afghanastan or something. I had... OTHER PLANS.

Things changed. I got a ticket gifted to me. (Thank you, A. for that!!) All of the sudden, fuck I WAS going. and I thought, shit, what about my other half???

I got on craigslist. and eBay. And any other avenue I could think of.

Guess what? I got a TIER ONE TICKET at FACE VALUE for a burn that was SOLD OUT FOR MONTHS. I had to drive on fumes 40 miles each way to pick it up I scrambled like fucking NUTS to put together a camp setting. But it fucking HAPPPENED. Yeah. Because I didn't fucking throw in the towel. And we had motherfucking FUN ou there - damn skippy!

We didn't quit. We went. And we were fine. Hell, I met people who out-themed ME. I was EXSTATIC!!! Because I was with FAMILY.

- - - - - - - - - -

THAT'S why I'm pissed about those throwing in the towel now - with 10,000 tickets unsold, and NOTHING IN THE RESALE MARKET (and BTW FUCK SCALPERS!!!). Fuck, you want to QUIT? GO ahead, QUIT. We don't WANT your stinking camp out there. Turn it over to those who HAVEN'T LOST THEIR WILL TO BURN!

Sounds harsh? Not really - you just don't want to go, don't have the hutzpah to turn the camp over to those who still have the spark. If you dare.

- - - - - - - - - -

Know what? I'll give these abandoned burners this... If your camp walked away from you. And you really want to do what it takes to be part of a, no, THE best camp on the playa.

Here's the offer:

YOU come up with something AWESOME which works with our theme. It's gotta be knock your sox off good. You got yer fellow burner buds as part of it? Fine. No drama, tho - we will ship you to SIBERIA for drama.

IF you can dazzle our Politburo, and are willing to be a PART OF, not just looking for a place to crash, moop out, and fuck off, you have a place in the valley of the shadow of DOOM. I'm serious.

It's gotta be dazzling, because we're limited to how many for this year. But if your idea can spread DOOM and DESOLATION on the playa, and if you can pull it off, WELCOME.

But only if... IF... you're wiling to be part of a family that won't walk away on you when things get tight, and can take credit for being part of Eastern part of Western Black Rock City.

Sorry... let the others whimper and whine, for we in the Diktatorship will be... just fucking FINE.

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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby theCryptofishist » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:34 pm

RenoMonster wrote:Just heard that Gipsy Queen camp is not coming this year. Anyway, If your theme camp isn't going to make it, try combining camps. Maybe we should set up a new thread about combining camps this year? I'm very shy. However, I'd like to try a new experience and meet new friends.

Here's where those ideas are beginning to play out.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby ranger magnum » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:06 pm

we are the chop shop, a bicycle repair camp. its a small group consisting of about 12, with about 7 of us as mechanics. of those 7, 3 of us are welders/fabricators. as of today, only 2 of us have tickets. we are gonna be there no doubt, but it may not be all of us. we had discussed last year being in the who, what, when, where guide for a DIY bicycle repair class so we can teach citizens the fine art of on playa bicycle repair, so having folks repair their own flat tires will free us up quite a bit. still, i dont trust anyone other than my 2 close welder campmates to run my MIG, so our fabrication availability may be low. in addition to welding literally a hundred bicycles back together, we put a dozen or two mutant vehicles back out on playa after repairing them. we really need at least one guy just on welding. last year we were open pretty much sun up to sundown; this year we may scale back the hours.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby lemur » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:18 pm

thats the spirit magnum!


show up with what you can do... and scale back as needed..
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby motskyroonmatick » Sat Feb 11, 2012 9:37 pm

Black Rock City Welding and Repair will be on Playa in Stag Camp 6.0 covering the repair needs of the red light district and beyond.

There will also be a nice warm stove or two out in front of camp to roast things in and stay warm from at night.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby sensei_88 » Sun Feb 12, 2012 10:18 pm

[quote="RenoMonster"]If your theme camp isn't going to make it, try combining camps. Maybe we should set up a new thread about combining camps this year?[/quote]

I have spent an hour reading this thread and my insides have been CRYING OUT FOR SOMEONE TO SUGGEST THIS AND ACT ON IT.

You all seem to value so highly the "veteran burner", and while you each have your own ideas of what you what your Theme Camp ought to be, howabout proving yourselves to be the resourceful motherfuckers you know you and TALKING TO EACHOTHER ABOUT COMBINING FORCES instead of comparing notes on the lack of core crew with ticket and not connecting the dots as to how you can solve eachother's problems!

I love theme camps, small and large, and do not want to see them go. Have already contacted a few of the theme camps I have enjoyed in the past to see how myself and my usual campmates can contribute, and excited to hear what comes back.

As an aside, I'm also pretty interested to hear what the impact of the lottery will be on having bigger name musicians perform on the playa? I value visual art as much as audio, and 2011 just wouldn't have been the same without Beats Antique!
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby Canoe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:42 am

sensei_88 wrote:
RenoMonster wrote:If your theme camp isn't going to make it, try combining camps. Maybe we should set up a new thread about combining camps this year?

... howabout proving yourselves to be the resourceful motherfuckers you know you and TALKING TO EACHOTHER ABOUT COMBINING FORCES instead of comparing notes on the lack of core crew with ticket ..

It is happening. Throughout several threads (try under 2012 Theme Camps). This a ticket thread where people are reporting where their original planned theme camp can/can't make it based on the tickets they have, but you read that.

I see various camps:
  • cancelling outright,
  • cancelling, with any of the following,
  • a sub-group doing a same or similar camp only scaled back (a little or a lot),
  • a sub-group or groups doing a different camp (just?) for 2012,
  • camps or sub-groups combining to:
    • do either or both of the prior two,
    • sharing on/beside the same footprint at BRC.
    • share resources:
      • preparing, and/or
      • getting to BRC, and/or
      • setting up, and/or
      • while at BRC (including, but not limited to: events, kitchen, showers, grey water, etc.)

You name it, it's happening (but would you expect anything different from Burners?). So much so I can't imagine anyone missing it.
Will they still lament their original theme camp? Hell yes, for many many reasons posted all around the forums.
Will it limit what some people or camps pull off for 2012? Hell yes, for many many reasons posted all around the forums.

Reminds me of lion prides in time of severe drought. The kin-co-operation prides break-up and new much smaller groups form of non-kin (species co-operation). When the drought is over, prides reform, but only loosely based on the former prides, some reforming relatively intact, others very changed, some gone. The drought of tickets appears to be aligning toward a similar dynamic. For BRC and individuals - for their own reasons (valid to them) - some of it will be bad, some very bad, some good, some very good.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby bradtem » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:50 am

alt12 wrote:
Canoe wrote:44 camps' data now, for what it's worth
44 camps, 1991 people, 356 with ticket (17.9%), 1635 without

0% (5 camps, 110 people - no tickets)
<10% (3 camps, 345 people, 9 with ticket (2.6%), 336 without)
<20% (14 camps, 935 people, 115 with ticket (12.3%), 820 without)
<30% (6 camps, 170 people, 40 with ticket (23.5%), 130 without)
<40% (7 camps, 207 people, 65 with ticket (31.4%), 142 without)
<50% (3 camps, 143 people, 60 with ticket (42%), 83 without)
<75% (3 camps, 31 people, 21 with ticket (67.7%), 10 without)
80% (2 camps, 20 people, 16 with ticket (80%), 4 without)
100% (1 camps, 30 people, 30 with ticket (100%), 0 without)
/quote]


44 out of 700 is not a bad sample.... Granted its biased a) by ePlaya and b) by likely exaggeration to get BMORG's attention....


Actually there's a huge bias in here you are not accounting for, and there had better be because the ticket ratio should not be only 17%, it should be more like 35% based on what we are told.

Namely, that if a camp put more entries in the lottery than they needed, and got all the tickets they needed, if not more, they are not going to be willing to report this, other than anonymously, because they will get some anger. They are a big part of the reason you're not going. Even camps that just got lucky and only asked for what was needed and got it or close to it will not report because you will think that they oversubscribed rather than believe them when they say they didn't. To do this right, you need an anonymous, randomly chosen survey -- email the contact addresses from a random selection of camps form last year's theme camp directory, and give them a place where they can enter their data anonymously.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby Canoe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:12 am

bradtem wrote:Actually there's a huge bias in here you are not accounting for, ... To do this right, you need an anonymous, randomly chosen survey -- email the contact addresses from a random selection of camps form last year's theme camp directory, and give them a place where they can enter their data anonymously.

I'm just presenting unoffical what I've found here, so we can have a look see. BMorg is getting good numbers for them to work with. No point in duplicating what they're doing.

And the stats I have are up to 18.1%. It would be higher than that with the camps that have been pledged some surplus tickets from people who got two but ended up needing only one, but a few more camps on the low end kept it down.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby bradtem » Mon Feb 13, 2012 11:24 am

Canoe wrote:
bradtem wrote:Actually there's a huge bias in here you are not accounting for, ... To do this right, you need an anonymous, randomly chosen survey -- email the contact addresses from a random selection of camps form last year's theme camp directory, and give them a place where they can enter their data anonymously.

I'm just presenting unoffical what I've found here, so we can have a look see. BMorg is getting good numbers for them to work with. No point in duplicating what they're doing.


Understood. Another thing that would be worth knowing -- BMOrg knows it of course but has not released it -- is what the results were for the 3 tiers, and if these very poorly performing camps mostly tried at tier 1. Released information suggests they got almost 3x the 40K orders, so around 35% overall success percentage. However, that would involve a higher percentage for tier 3 requests and a much lower one for tier 1 requests. Tier 1 folks may not have been clear on the fact they were limiting their chances by not offering more, but they were.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby pink » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:07 pm

bradtem wrote:
alt12 wrote:
Canoe wrote:44 camps' data now, for what it's worth
44 camps, 1991 people, 356 with ticket (17.9%), 1635 without

0% (5 camps, 110 people - no tickets)
<10% (3 camps, 345 people, 9 with ticket (2.6%), 336 without)
<20% (14 camps, 935 people, 115 with ticket (12.3%), 820 without)
<30% (6 camps, 170 people, 40 with ticket (23.5%), 130 without)
<40% (7 camps, 207 people, 65 with ticket (31.4%), 142 without)
<50% (3 camps, 143 people, 60 with ticket (42%), 83 without)
<75% (3 camps, 31 people, 21 with ticket (67.7%), 10 without)
80% (2 camps, 20 people, 16 with ticket (80%), 4 without)
100% (1 camps, 30 people, 30 with ticket (100%), 0 without)
/quote]


44 out of 700 is not a bad sample.... Granted its biased a) by ePlaya and b) by likely exaggeration to get BMORG's attention....


Actually there's a huge bias in here you are not accounting for, and there had better be because the ticket ratio should not be only 17%, it should be more like 35% based on what we are told.

Namely, that if a camp put more entries in the lottery than they needed, and got all the tickets they needed, if not more, they are not going to be willing to report this, other than anonymously, because they will get some anger. They are a big part of the reason you're not going. Even camps that just got lucky and only asked for what was needed and got it or close to it will not report because you will think that they oversubscribed rather than believe them when they say they didn't. To do this right, you need an anonymous, randomly chosen survey -- email the contact addresses from a random selection of camps form last year's theme camp directory, and give them a place where they can enter their data anonymously.


Except for BRCPimp. He was openly proud of the fact that his camp put in for the max tickets by each member and got 100% + 6 extra. Put that out there before, during, and after the lottery. Don't forget those 6 extra- they're some of the 'missing tickets'.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby bradtem » Mon Feb 13, 2012 1:25 pm

pink wrote:
Except for BRCPimp. He was openly proud of the fact that his camp put in for the max tickets by each member and got 100% + 6 extra. Put that out there before, during, and after the lottery. Don't forget those 6 extra- they're some of the 'missing tickets'.


So I should correct and say some will admit it. That's a pretty good result. How large was the camp and did they all go in at $390? Evidence seems to show hit rate should be about 35% so even at 2x requests a large camp would have trouble getting 100% and 6 extra. Mind you at $390 I would presume the hit rate is more in the 40% to 45% range (just a guesstimate) which makes this more probable.

I would guess typical over-entrants went in at about 2x, and few would go to 3x as only some were expecting a 3x oversubscription. That leaves still a very large chunk of the entrants being speculators and newbies. BMOrg indicated they had about 40% newbies in the lottery, and that this is above normal. I don't know what normal is but I was under the impression it was about 30% in a typical year -- I certainly meet a lot of new burners every year. We may never get the eventual breakdown but I would be curious about all these categories:

Ordinary veterans and camps asking for only tickets they need

Camps asking for 1.5x, 2x, 3x and other multiples

Birgins (probably typically asking for 1x but perhaps some were skilled.) Note some newbies were part of camps.

Speculators

If a lottery is done again -- I don't recommend it -- it will be important to understand this breakdown.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby RockellG » Mon Feb 13, 2012 2:29 pm

Right now 30% of Camp Hardly Davidson has tickets.

With that said, we are fully steaming ahead with plans, excitement and new ideas to make you drunk with abundant amounts of joy, dust, love and whiskey.

It will be the camp's fourth year with it's red playa-fied saloon.

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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby tattoogoddess » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:04 pm

Well temple of boom just said they are out on BM facebook. Shit :(

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We didnt want to say anything until it was official, but guess now is the time. Unfortunately we will not be bringing the Temple of Boom to Burning Man this year. We have had the best time, & most unforgettable memories in the past few years bringing the heat to the Playa, and will continue to burn within! We love all of you and appreciate the continued support over the past years. If you are going to Burn 2012, play safe, and more importantly live it, love it, & BURN IT! HAVE A GOOD SAFE BURN! Stay tuned for updates on where you can find the Temple of Boom in 2012!"

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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby lucky420 » Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:19 pm

yep they stated that they were going to be somewhere else that week...wonder what they're up to?
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby pink » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:06 pm

If some of them had tickets, then does that mean the tickets will be redistributed?
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby ZaphodBurner » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:23 pm

The Green Hour needs 7 tickets, and can provide:

Absinthe, root beer, two mutant vehicles, a photo booth, a shaded area with tables and chairs for the public, live music, playa art, bike repair services, and LNT plan, gray water evaporator and stewardship for as many burners--virgins encouraged--as space provides.

With the core of 8, we can start construction immediately, and the rest of us should be able to pick up tickets individually between now and the burn. We are and have always been an LNT camp.

We have no demands, and are of course willing to pay full price for our tickets.

I think if they made 1000 tickets available they could get 100-200 camps inspired and going NOW, which will help break the gloom and encourage people to get building and still leave tickets for the general population.

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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby vargaso » Mon Feb 13, 2012 4:50 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:The Green Hour needs 7 tickets, and can provide:

Absinthe, root beer, two mutant vehicles, a photo booth, a shaded area with tables and chairs for the public, live music, playa art, bike repair services, and LNT plan, gray water evaporator and stewardship for as many burners--virgins encouraged--as space provides.

With the core of 8, we can start construction immediately, and the rest of us should be able to pick up tickets individually between now and the burn. We are and have always been an LNT camp.

We have no demands, and are of course willing to pay full price for our tickets.

I think if they made 1000 tickets available they could get 100-200 camps inspired and going NOW, which will help break the gloom and encourage people to get building and still leave tickets for the general population.

-Chris
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Aside from bike repair, our camp could offer the same things. And that's the thing, a whole shitload of smaller camps have those kinds of things to offer, so who to give them to? That's why I think theme camps should not be given special access to tickets.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby moonrise » Mon Feb 13, 2012 5:04 pm

For the number crunchers

The two camps I am usually with have;

4 out of 14 tix
6 out of 30 tix

Everyone entered the lottery fair n square, they'll continue to try for more tix through STEP and the main sale and hope things shake out aside from STEP and the main sale (they will not patronize scalpers).
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby ZaphodBurner » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:29 pm

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Aside from bike repair, our camp could offer the same things. And that's the thing, a whole shitload of smaller camps have those kinds of things to offer, so who to give them to? That's why I think theme camps should not be given special access to tickets.


I can show pieces of paper that demonstrate that our camp did it in the past, we have photos of the art and everything we're going to bring, and I can show the documentation from the LNT camp that every year we've gone, we've left no trace. Our first year as a camp, we were already on the LNT Theme Camp tour. So, I can at least demonstrate that I'm not totally full of shit.

On Monday, in 2005, a dust storm knocked the shit out of most construction all day. We panicked, thinking that we HAD TO HAVE THE CAMP RUNNING BY MONDAY EVENING, so, we have video to demonstrate that three veterans and twelve virgins were able to build a viewing structure and interactive art project in a storm that clobbered the fuck out of every camp around us. When the dust cleared Monday afternoon, we were the only ones that were set up. On time, as promised. Aside from our collaborate art and camp responsibilities, even our virgins volunteered for things like the Black Rock Gazette. I'm not saying our camp is more deserving than yours. What I'm saying is:

If your camp is as intensely interested in participating in the BRC community as ours, then I believe you should get to buy tickets also. That will ensure two rawkin' camps that will benefit the entire community much better than you and I individually. Who I don't think should get equal consideration--at this point--are people who think that winning the lottery or buying scalped tickets as a virgin means they don't have to participate further. (There are several virgins reading this and by virtue of the fact that they're already participating, they're not likely to be the problem. It's the other tens of thousands.)

Somebody in a private message said that Burning Man just released 43,000 tickets into the wind, and that covers radical inclusion. I find that to be the most elegant way of stating it. Now, we as the Burner community--not just the LLC--have to make sure that the city is there for them, or it's going to be a true disaster.

What if just 10 people are seriously injured or killed at the event because they simply didn't read the survival guide or because a crowd turns ugly a la Woodstock '99? What if then hits the mainstream media and politicians get involved? Burning Man is, factually, at stake if there isn't a collaborative effort to get tens of thousands of NON-EPLAYA virgins up to speed before they hurt themselves.
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby trilobyte » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:38 pm

The bigger question is, what if it all turns out okay? What if camps adapt or mutate or sit the year out, and new camps form up to fill the void and people have an amazing time and no one dies?
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby HandJamMasterC » Mon Feb 13, 2012 8:47 pm

I can show pieces of paper that demonstrate that our camp did it in the past, we have photos of the art and everything we're going to bring, and I can show the documentation from the LNT camp that every year we've gone, we've left no trace. Our first year as a camp, we were already on the LNT Theme Camp tour. So, I can at least demonstrate that I'm not totally full of shit.


I can show the same for Camp DOA. We only need about 6 or 8 more tickets..................
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby 5280MeV » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:26 pm

trilobyte wrote:The bigger question is, what if it all turns out okay? What if camps adapt or mutate or sit the year out, and new camps form up to fill the void and people have an amazing time and no one dies?


It certainly might turn out ok. My house will probably not burn down. I am still going to purchase fire insurance.

From what I have heard so far, it seems like a foregone conclusion that camps are going to adapt, mutate, and sit the year out. New camps are going to form, and spectators like me are going to figure out how we are going to step it up for 2012 and become participants.

I would venture to guess that just about everyone with a sense of entitlement is pretty well driven away, or at least seriously rethinking their viewpoint. What happened so far is pretty radical, by just about any standard. Random inclusion is pretty difficult to plan for.

There are ways to do this without entitling people. Set aside 4000 project tickets - that is less than 10% of the total ticket count, it doesn't greatly affect the probability that a random participant will get a ticket. Register the people involved - get concrete plans for exactly what they plan to do, and how they plan to do it. If you really want to avoid entitlement, make a rule: an individual cannot receive project tickets two years in a row. Projects are charged to be experimental, to be interactive, to be new or substantially different each year, to add to the community, and to incorporate new members. Getting a project ticket is a charge, not a gift - and you pay full price. You pay for it, and you are expected to deliver. Getting a project ticket is not a reward for past service, it is an obligation to serve the city in the coming year.

Another idea: If a project misses the 2012 cut, put them on the short list for 2013. You can create a culture of alternation, and allow more people and collaborations a feasible opportunity to do something special. BRC / regional / BRC / regional / and so forth...

I think that I can understand both points of view, why people are so passionate about not giving tickets to projects, and why people are so passionate about giving tickets to projects. On one hand, you risk the practical framework and social cohesion of the city, on the other, you risk its soul.

I think this is a difficult pass to navigate. Take the middle road. There is no perfect path, and in their idealistic extreme, you can't actually satisfy all written principles simultaneously - much less insert the solution into the real world.


P.S. A project can be a single person - for fuck's sake give the dancing robot a ticket before I tear my hair out
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby Canoe » Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:29 pm

Update
unofficial numbers from 56 camps, 2271 people, 422 with tickets, 1840 without

0% (5 camps, 110 people - no tickets)
<10% (4 camps, 369 people, 10 with ticket (2.7%), 359 without)
<20% (19 camps, 1057 people, 134 with ticket (12.7%), 923 without)
<30% (9 camps, 238 people, 56 with ticket (23.5%), 182 without)
<40% (9 camps, 248 people, 79 with ticket (31.9%), 169 without)
<50% (3 camps, 133 people, 55 with ticket (41.4%), 78 without)
<75% (3 camps, 48 people, 28 with ticket (58.3%), 20 without)
<100% (3 camps, 38 people, 30 with ticket (78.9%), 8 without)
100% (1 camps, 30 people, 30 with ticket (100%), 0 without)
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Re: 2012 Theme Camps - will you make it this year?

Postby homey » Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:08 pm

PICKLE JOINT has 4 tickets out of 14 members. This will be our 10th year as a camp, and the 15th year for several of our campers. We consider Burning Man to be a vocation, a lifestyle, the love of our lives. At this point, nothing will stop us from attending and building the camp. As anyone who has ever tried to do anything on the playa knows, often the greater the challenge, the greater the reward. Let's be real, building a theme camp is always hell on a plate. The tears, the blood, the dust, the lols... Fuck, that's what we're paying for. We want to be pushed to the limit and triumph, or at least fail handsomely. Okay, so one of this year's many hurdles will be getting ten tickets by any means necessary. Challenge accepted! Game on motherfucker! What else you got?

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