Patamon wrote:The whole ticket madness could have been easily solved by doing this instead...
#1: Same price, no tiers. Make the tickets all the same price. If your money is so tight that you cant go because you need to save $80 on a ticket, then you probably shouldn't be going in the first place. (get a job)
#2: Make it a REGISTERED event, not a TICKETED event. i.e. use the same method that they use at Conventions etc. You pay $350 (or whatever) and you are now Registered for Burning Man. You'll get your Registration thingy with barcode and name (like EE passes) in the mail, and that pass is good for YOU and YOU only. Cannot be sold or traded.
#3: First come, first serve. Since you can now only register FOR YOURSELF, there will be far less of an inital speculative demand. and dickheads like ebay and stubhub will no longer be able to scam people.
#4: Once the REGISTRATIONS are maxed out (60K, whatever) registration is closed.
#5: If you have to cancel, you have until July 31st to cancel and get a refund.
#6: From August 1st, to August 20th, 2nd round Registration is open (again fist come first serve) based upon the number of cancelations. so if 4,000 people canceled, that opens up 4,000 new slots.
#7: On August 20th, no more registrations.
#8: Bring your ID and Form to the playa, and you're good to go. If your a hippy who cant deal with having an ID, see #1 above.
Badda bing. problem solved. I just saved Burning Man. 2013 theme will be in honor of me, with the man on a Giant Copy of my Face.
From http://blog.burningman.com/tag/step/ "So the unfortunate net result is that there will be a lot of people who aren’t awarded tickets from the Main Sale … BUT DO NOT FEAR!! Because this means that there will be a large number of tickets in circulation within the existing community, tickets that simply need to be redistributed to those who need them. Based on our analysis, we hold a strong belief that things will settle out over the course of time, once that redistribution takes place, such that most everybody who wants a ticket will find their way to one."
you may not be happy with the results, but the system has worked so far.
trilobyte wrote:@motskyroonmatick - they're working with the BLM to get the cap increased over time.
@brnr96 - so, death by 100 cuts? Demand still outstrips supply. And assuming your method sells each day's allotment via unrestricted open sale, it's 100 days of opportunity for scalpers to get their unfair share.
@Saigonborg - based on the results, it appears that the event would have sold completely out on the first day. And like many other unrestricted open sale events that are known to sell out, a significant portion of the ticket supply would have wound up in the hands of scalpers (scalperbots weren't a risk last year because the event wasn't known to be a sell out event until July).
@cooked 2242 - so far there has not been any evidence of massive scalper acquisition of tickets. Sure, there have been some, but nowhere near what you'd get on a 40K unrestricted open sale (I've heard claims of scalpers getting up to a quarter or even a third of all tickets to hot concerts and sporting events). While it's possible that they could be waiting for the furor/demand to die down they typically like to strike while the iron's hot. It's also possible that they haven't started listing yet because they feel selling a ticket they don't have in their hand is wrong, but I don't see morality being a big factor either. I don't think moderators have been treating people that way and I'm sorry that's your taken on things in the short time you've been here (welcome to the site, btw).
BBadger wrote:AW LAWRDY! We're only done with 1/3rd of the ticket sale system, the lottery component, and now we're already making plans to flip-turn upside-down the whole system after we haven't even evaluated the entire plan? Were you also the types who expected Obama to fix the economy single-handed in a year?
Let's have a little patience people. Think a little longer-term. So not everyone in your group got their ticket. Was it going to be different in any other system where demand is greater than supply? It wasn't scalpers that caused that.
Stickygreen wrote:the only issue is that demand is greater than supply.
there are only 2 possible answers.
answer = Increase supply
answer = decrease demand
This is what will happen eventually, some say it already has, but whatever... I'm not going to debate if Burning Man was better last year, cause we all know it was!
bleurose51 wrote:3. 50,000 tickets plus a "negligible" number of volunteer/staff/artist tickets? What are YOU smoking? I want some! There are most likely upwards of 5,000-7,000 free tickets distributed by BM for "volunteers/staff/artists". All of the regionals get tickets for their organizers, all the major art projects get fairly large numbers of tickets, anyone who volunteers 20+ hours last year (and that had to be several thousand people, between the Gate and DMV and DPW and Rangers and Lamplighters and everyone else) gets a discount ticket that hasn't even been accounted for, plus if you volunteered more, you get a free ticket. BM's paid staff is also big. There were many thousands of people at the event early last year and many of them were on free tickets or volunteer discount tickets, all of which are outside the "main ticket sale". This is not negligible.
copilot602 wrote:I am reiterating some things already said here but...
The lottery system sucks because it creates false scarcity by making people worry that they will not get tickets and therefore encouraging them to game the system, reducing the overall number of tickets. How many people do you know who figured out ways to enter themselves more than once in the lottery (spouses, friends, etc...?) Now multiply that by 30-40k ticket buyers. I would love to know how many entrees there were in the lottery. Gaurantee that # is much higher than actual final ticket sales.
The goals for ticket sales should be:
1. Let people who want the tickets the most get them.
2. Limit gaming of system and scalpers.
The obvious way to address the first goal is the old system of selling the tickets on a first come, first serve basis. The people who want to go will take the time to make sure they get one. Worked just fine till last year and the complaints came from people who waited till the last minute to get tickets and then couldn’t believe it was sold out. (online server-fail sucked but wasn’t the core problem)
To achieve the second goal you only have to make the tickets non-transferable and require the use of a system like STEP. The tickets come printed with the purchasers name, serial #, and “NON-TRANSFERABLE” printed in bold letters. Check the name against identification at the gate. Doesn’t match up? Don’t get in. Don’t need a ticket you bought? Sell it back ONLINE to BM at a sliding discounted rate that gets lower as the event get closer. Didn’t get a ticket but needed one? You’re on the waiting list. Not sure if your ticket is valid? Go online and verify it using STEP. No chance for scalpers to get involved, you now have access to all the unneeded tickets around the country not just the ones on your local craigslist, and everyone who puts in the effort to get a ticket in a timely manner gets one. Simple.
The system they created this year seems to have been the worst possible solution...not sure who is taking credit for it ...
Sad, but glad I wasn’t trying to go this year… Good luck to everyone who got screwed.
The CO wrote:bleurose51 wrote:3. 50,000 tickets plus a "negligible" number of volunteer/staff/artist tickets? What are YOU smoking? I want some! There are most likely upwards of 5,000-7,000 free tickets distributed by BM for "volunteers/staff/artists". All of the regionals get tickets for their organizers, all the major art projects get fairly large numbers of tickets, anyone who volunteers 20+ hours last year (and that had to be several thousand people, between the Gate and DMV and DPW and Rangers and Lamplighters and everyone else) gets a discount ticket that hasn't even been accounted for, plus if you volunteered more, you get a free ticket. BM's paid staff is also big. There were many thousands of people at the event early last year and many of them were on free tickets or volunteer discount tickets, all of which are outside the "main ticket sale". This is not negligible.
Bollocks. I got a staff/artist ticket last year (and several before that), and I will happily call you out on this. The numbers and qualifications for a discount/gift ticket you are throwing around are not accurate.
Q. If I promise to work at Lamplighters, can I get a free ticket?
A. Nope. But what you'll get in return will far exceed your expectations.
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