blueskinnedmacaque wrote:I have also lost the lottery.... not that I've ever won a lottery.
Supposing I miss out on the open sale (currently in Asia with net access not a guarantee), and dont get lucky with STEPs.... is there any other way to get to BM?
dunkk wrote:The population ceiling is for good reason. There is only one highway in and out. It can handle only a limited number of vehicles.
Raymaker wrote:dunkk wrote:The population ceiling is for good reason. There is only one highway in and out. It can handle only a limited number of vehicles.
Obviously this is an assumption, or if it's not, tell me when they sent 35,000 vehicles down the road to prove it cannot cope, when people cite assumptions I immediately think 'propaganda'. What is a know problem is that if a breakdown occurs, and I bet the limit is based on how much the police force would be pissed off having to sort problems out.
Simon of the Playa wrote:shut up, hippy.
Dustdevil wrote:I cannot sign a petition that begins with an assumption rather than a fact. There is no conclusive evidence that scalpers are the cause of the ticket situation. With only 78 of the 40,000 plus tickets sold have made it to StubHub I would like to see cites of where your information comes from if it is not your own speculation. Four weeks ago the Youtube video "Oh the places you'll go at Burning Man" went viral with close to 1.3M views. It would seem just as likely, if not more so, that this video could have caused a spike in ticket demand.
"With the introduction of the lottery system there is an inequality in the distribution of tickets. The scalpers have succeeded in procuring tickets, but theme camps are finding that in some cases only a handful of members have been awarded tickets."
'P' wrote:How does 110,000 people come and leave for a concert in Mexico City in one day? A lot of them come on the public transportation.
BBadger wrote:Wrath, remember that this is a BLM permit negotiation year, and that last year was a single-year permit capped around 50,000. Prior to that, we had a 5-year permit going from about 32500 people up to 50,000. In 2007 and 2008 the population surpassed the 6% growth estimate by a large amount nearly reaching the maximum 50,000 people. Those over-estimate populations were still under the maximum cap, and so long as BMOrg had adequate facilities, that was permissible.
Last year was a single-year, 50,000-cap permit, lacking the flexibility the previous permit enabled. In effect, the permit prevented much variance from the 50,000 maximum population, despite possible growth. We saw the result in the final month as tickets sold out for the first time.
BBadger wrote:This year is a (another?) permit negotiation year. The BLM permit has not yet been issued. BMOrg is trying for another 5-year permit that would allow the population to swell up to 70,000 participants by 2016. The status of this permit is still under wraps. It may end up that we have another 50,000-capped permit if negotiations fall-through.
BBadger wrote:Such a permit might enable BMOrg to sell more tickets
EmberDragon wrote:Didn't they think that for some, the Burn had become sacred. That some had left a part of their soul there? How could they lottery out something like that.
theCryptofishist wrote:EmberDragon wrote:Didn't they think that for some, the Burn had become sacred. That some had left a part of their soul there? How could they lottery out something like that.
People have been forcibly separated from their sacred spaces all over the world for pretty much most of human history. The jews had it happen twice. The five=hundred year history of American Indians. Tibet.
theCryptofishist wrote:Okay, here's my nominee for today's most pathetic self-pity. "Sacred".
Dustdevil wrote:Or perhaps my views are not based on what the public is being told. Or perhaps I am waiting until the speculation is replaced by facts. I never said Burners are sitting on all the tickets. I only offer that as an explanation that is just as viable as "the scalpers did this". Again, Cites?
Spritle712 wrote:I'd cite thinking it through.
How did demand jump so precipitously? ~60k last July for 2011 burn to >150k in January for the 2012 burn? Scores of people reporting their camps got <25% success rate in the lottery. Where did all these tickets go? Scalpers do this for a living. I'd sign that petition. Would you prefer BMORG stick with the pre-lottery plan? I'm willing to give BM the two weeks they asked for but I'm still trying to get them to take action to save 2012 from sucking.
You said 'data' 13 times, is that a bad omen?
You might as well assume that Elvis returned to earth and stole all the tickets. It's about as ridiculous.
Just wanted to say thank you for signing the petition and give you a status update.
I have been contacted by BM representatives, and they have indicated that they are aware of the petition. They have heard the community, and are working on potential solutions to the issue. I believe we have brought the right amount of attention to the issue, and it's time to give the BM team some space to work out an appropriate solution for the community.
In less than a week we brought over 4000 signers to bear on the issue. I am turning off the petition at this time, I hope that I get the chance to see all of you rolling in the dust this year.
Thank you for your support.
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