OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

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OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Beth92691 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:07 am

Fellow burners, here is an email thread from my campmates. Are we ALL outraged at this "lottery" (i.e.: MONEY MAKING) scheme? What are YOUR thoughts? What happened to community vs. commercialism?!?!?!?
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Be sure to consult your JackRabbit speaks. B M is going to a lottery system that will require pre-registration. We should discuss ideas for handling this to maximize the chance for getting tickets, etc. It is possible, assuming all goes well in 2012 w/ the changes that this policy will continue. Aleta, this will apply to pre-sales as well.
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I think this smacks of things to come....do you think, for one minute, this is not about the all mighty buck???? I question how, after years of friends, telling friends, telling more friends to embrace this event... to support it, to experience it, to participate.....they don’t know a cash cow when they see it?????? and commercialism has already raised its’ ugly head...some advertisers “appeared” OUT OF NO WHERE....
YIKES.... I think my soap box may be a bit on stilts!!! SORRY....
glad I did the last 4 years......
it’s just like STAGECOACH FESTIVAL HERE in INDIO, Ca...AND THE MUSIC FESTIVAL JUST PRIOR....THEY ARE NOW 2 WEEKS FOR THE EVENT....instead of 3 days...WHAT SMACKS OF $$$$$$$ HUNGRY
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Barry Yelk the guy from Pa. who you met last year..with partner Kevin in the RV.....try face book! HIS question.....Barry Yelk....tonight his ? Lottery?????
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I agree. Many good points, especially about all the supporters for years and years who took the time to stay on line, buy early, etc. and now maybe not be able to get a ticket. We were more willing to rely on our own than take a chance on the lottery. We need to develop a campaign to get out to all Burners to protest this proposd system.
Was this on the census survey this year, Aleta?
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I do not believe it was...
I’ve sent and e-mail to my brother Barry, as he is a faithful reader, but I do not recall seeing this when I submitted my survey.
I’m really quit taken back by it, and, I believe others will be/are too!!!!
I’m only a 4 time burner...can’t imagine how the “truly dedicated” feel about this “deviation” from the right to purchase early, with complete commitment...
WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO BUY ONLY TO RESELL....FOR INFLATED PRICES...THE SCALPERS OF THE WORLD.....who’s really making the bank here????
who’s being shorted/circumvented/unappreciated/unacknowledged....the “committed” individuals who have made BM what it is!!!
I feel bad for my brother/nephews who have been loyal...dedicated burners...who “give” to the concept of community!!! who know the “family” of BM.
and the new, who have embraced it...
Holy cow....that soap box is now on scaffolds!!!
sorry guys!!!
but, don’t get me started....I’m a donkey on the edge!!!!
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Forward this string of emails to every Burner you know and encourage request, cajole and persuade them to send it on to all Burners they know. Before you know if Jack Rabbit and BM will hopefully get the picture that the proposal, while simplifying distribution for them, is going to shut out many loyal burners who are willing to do it the old way and take their chances rather than be subjected to a lottery.
Doug, I'm sure you have a bigger list than I do. Ron, you've got a couple I don't have, etc. Beth, I'm sure you have some and Allen's daughter and Barrry's son and others etc, etc, etc. Let's get this thing rolling.

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby junglesmacks » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:13 am

*yawn*

This years drama really is better than last years drama..
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Sham » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:19 am

In the very (very, very) near future, the org will be releasing a list of FAQ's (hopefully along with FRAs) which should shed some light on the new lottery. Just keep in mind that tickets took 7 months to sell out for this past event, so hopefully everyone who at least pays some attention to this new system will get tickets.

I can completely relate to the anxiety that you are dealing with now. I am dealing with the same issues with my camp and all the people who wish to attend. Take a deep breath and let's see how it will actually work.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby remi » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:55 am

I tired of being pissed of about the lotto. I'm looking forward to this FAQ. Perhaps the lotto isn't as stupid and retardedly crappy as we all think it is. As a BM virgin, I don't expect any special treatment. I wouldn't be offended if some theme camps that had an excellent moot report card were given special treatment, as well as people on this forum with over 1000 posts.
Alternatively, this lotto talk has brought up plenty of great alternatives that I've read in other threads.
Oh well. Good luck to everyone.. I hope to see you all on the playa.

EDIT: My biggest concern with the lotto is the people that plan to make multiple accounts and get friends and family to help them hord tickets to scalp. I'm hearing a lot of Burners threatening to do this, and it's pretty uncool.. nevertheless, they bring up an excellent point that I hope is answered in the FAQ... So FAQ-U!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby jkisha » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:01 am

OUTRAGED! OUTRAGED I SAY!!!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Nipple » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:11 am

remi wrote:I wouldn't be offended if some theme camps that had an excellent moot report card were given special treatment, as well as people on this forum with over 1000 posts.


Oh man... I can only imagine the signal to noise ratio if that rumor got around.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Nov 15, 2011 10:22 am

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby trilobyte » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:16 am

How is it a money-making scheme? They're still selling the same number of tickets, and will likely sell 100% of the available tickets regardless of how they're sold. If anything, a ticket lottery with multiple rounds held over a period of many months defers income that they would have otherwise gotten in a fairly short period of time on a first come, first served system. Save your outrage, wait until the details and the FAQ have been posted and you can make an informed decision.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby The CO » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:20 am

Nipple wrote:
remi wrote:I wouldn't be offended if some theme camps that had an excellent moot report card were given special treatment, as well as people on this forum with over 1000 posts.


Oh man... I can only imagine the signal to noise ratio if that rumor got around.



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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby remi » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:22 am

[quote="Nipple Oh man... I can only imagine the signal to noise ratio if that rumor got around.[/quote]


Hahaha.. Shall we? Just kidding. I know there are a tonne of burners who aren't on the forum (until they found out about the lotto.) That rumor would be almost as awesome as Daft Punk playing at the Montecello camp.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby remi » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:23 am

trilobyte wrote:How is it a money-making scheme? They're still selling the same number of tickets, and will likely sell 100% of the available tickets regardless of how they're sold. If anything, a ticket lottery with multiple rounds held over a period of many months defers income that they would have otherwise gotten in a fairly short period of time on a first come, first served system. Save your outrage, wait until the details and the FAQ have been posted and you can make an informed decision.


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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Sham » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:25 am

Daft Punk is playing at the Montecello camp?
Holy crappolla! :shock:
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby tamarakay » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:39 am

Nipple wrote:
remi wrote:I wouldn't be offended if some theme camps that had an excellent moot report card were given special treatment, as well as people on this forum with over 1000 posts.


Oh man... I can only imagine the signal to noise ratio if that rumor got around.


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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Nipple » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:40 am

There's a Montecello camp?!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby theCryptofishist » Tue Nov 15, 2011 11:52 am

Nipple wrote:There's a Montecello camp?!

There was. Then those pesky Hemmings insisted that it was their camp, too, and the Montecellos broke up rather than share. Which makes it an even better rumor, now that I think about it. Now you have people looking for a non-existent camp, in which there will be an imaginary event. If only Daft Punk were imaginary, but the bait had better be tempting...


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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Giacamogio » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:02 pm

It is easy to see from the outside--and outside the organization is where your customers are--that this decision has been backed into based on group think and internal organizational constraints. From the way I read the JRS lottery announcement most of the problem could be solved by hiring a competent web developer to improve your online ticketing system. I remember clearly how you defended your current developer after the 2011 debacle. Do not defend the past. Invest in the future.

As a seven-consecutive-year newbie Burner, I can tell you that injecting chance (lotteries are based on chance) into whether I can buy my two tickets is a terrible idea. My wife and I have an emotional, intellectual, and physical investment in BRC and we do not see how the lottery idea meets our needs.

Please consider this as input from two loyal customers.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Rice » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:11 pm

Giacamogio wrote:It is easy to see from the outside--and outside the organization is where your customers are--that this decision has been backed into based on group think and internal organizational constraints. From the way I read the JRS lottery announcement most of the problem could be solved by hiring a competent web developer to improve your online ticketing system. I remember clearly how you defended your current developer after the 2011 debacle. Do not defend the past. Invest in the future.

As a seven-consecutive-year newbie Burner, I can tell you that injecting chance (lotteries are based on chance) into whether I can buy my two tickets is a terrible idea. My wife and I have an emotional, intellectual, and physical investment in BRC and we do not see how the lottery idea meets our needs.

Please consider this as input from two loyal customers.



2012 will be my 6th burn. I too was stressed out over the ticket lottery announcement. However, We have no idea how this lottery is going to work, none. So, to panic at this point is just a waste of energy. (really, really big waste ;) )

So, we all need to exercise a bit of patience and the details shall be revealed...

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby bmix » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:19 pm

I have to side with the people that DON'T think it's a money grab... they won't make any more money off this method than they would any other way. I think they were just trying to come up with the simplest idea that would solve last year's problems.

That being said, I also think they should have released the details all at once, and not leave everybody hanging--and speculating the worst--for a week. They HAD to have known there would be mass freakery with such a detail-free announcement. Makes me wonder why it's been handled this way.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Rice » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:23 pm

bmix wrote:I have to side with the people that DON'T think it's a money grab... they won't make any more money off this method than they would any other way. I think they were just trying to come up with the simplest idea that would solve last year's problems.

That being said, I also think they should have released the details all at once, and not leave everybody hanging--and speculating the worst--for a week. They HAD to have known there would be mass freakery with such a detail-free announcement. Makes me wonder why it's been handled this way.


I agree it is not a money grab plan, more like a lets change things and see what happens ;)

Details, everything is in the details. - Waiting semi-patiently for above-mentioned details.

Where is the fun in getting all the info in one block? Is it not better to get partial details and then freakout??

This is almost as much fun as watching people freak out when the tickets sold out . . .

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby trilobyte » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:40 pm

It's a catch-22 situation. "Why didn't you give us a heads up instead of springing this whole big plan on us" versus "Why didn't you release the details all at once." There's no single course of action that would make everybody happy… it is what it is. While the BMOrg wasn't planning on sitting around for the next few weeks, they have stepped up efforts to expedite getting details and the FAQ together. We should see more information very soon.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Rice » Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:45 pm

The information on the http://tickets.burningman.com web page have changed... (since this morning)
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby remi » Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:41 pm

tamarakay wrote:
Nipple wrote:
remi wrote:I wouldn't be offended if some theme camps that had an excellent moot report card were given special treatment, as well as people on this forum with over 1000 posts.


Oh man... I can only imagine the signal to noise ratio if that rumor got around.


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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:10 pm

The Man will burn, please be assured of that.
He will be surrounded by 1000s of celebrants.
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby lemur » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:30 pm

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby remi » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:31 pm

Ugly Dougly wrote:The Man will burn, please be assured of that.
He will be surrounded by 1000s of celebrants.
Only that we can be sure of.


Even 10's of 1000's!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Sham » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:36 pm

I'm starting to feel lucky.......

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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Eric » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:49 pm

remi wrote:You have till January to up it 138.. I believe you can do it! I'm fucked, unless I make a new thread called 'random words' and post a shit load of one word post's. I'm pretty sure a moderator would tell me to eat shit and have a nice day!


Have you looked through the Open Discussion forum? :shock:

It wouldn't be any different than a few of the threads already running, and some of those can get quite fun. Have at, if that's what you want- just keep it to one thread!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Nipple » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:02 pm

LOOK OUT FISHY AND YG!
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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby wh..sh » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:53 pm

Giacamogio wrote:From the way I read the JRS lottery announcement most of the problem could be solved by hiring a competent web developer to improve your online ticketing system. I remember clearly how you defended your current developer after the 2011 debacle. Do not defend the past. Invest in the future.


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Re: OUTRAGE OVER THE LOTTERY!

Postby Nipple » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:56 pm

wh..sh wrote:
Giacamogio wrote:From the way I read the JRS lottery announcement most of the problem could be solved by hiring a competent web developer to improve your online ticketing system. I remember clearly how you defended your current developer after the 2011 debacle. Do not defend the past. Invest in the future.


I am up for grabs, but I am quite expensive. But I guarantee that I am a good investment.


*looking over finances*

*rereading*

Oh... web developer.
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