But yes, a lot of the conclave members are low income, talented, but can't afford much.
christophergraves2 wrote:2)your troupe gets ACCEPTED, whew all that work might be worth it, and you DON'T get to buy a staff ticket, because you already bought a ticket when they first went on sale. Wow I feel good!
Bay Bridge Sue wrote:That's what I usually do when I'm on staph... I'll buy my queue tix, and if and when I get the OK to get the lowball Staph Slave Wage Specials --giggles-- I'll either sell the bought ones at face (or lower) or give the ones I don't need away... Just something I can give back to the community, in hopes they pay it forward.
Think that messed me up this year was I wasn't planning on going, but circumstances changed... now I'm hoping to hook a spot with ESD again, not for the ticket, but because I usually do that months ago!!!
I'm just grateful I already got my ticket this year... what a madhouse!
christophergraves2 wrote:It is of great concern to those of us that PARTICIPATE in the great circle, that the same day we get our approval of tickets, is the same day the event is Officially SOLD OUT! - This news comes only 2 weeks after we have either been ACCEPTED or DENIED into the great circle for the night of the burn.
Lets see how this years policies may have hurt a few well intention-ed PARTICIPANTS of our great city:
--- So for 6 or more months, Fire Troupes all around the country practice, craft, learn new skills/tools to prepare for an opportunity to spin in the great circle the night of the burn. Most of us start preparing for the event before tickets even go on sale.
---- Tickets officially go on sale, and the lowest tiers sell out in the first day, and most of us that happen to be part of a fire troupe, make a decision to buy our ticket or wait to see if we get ACCEPTED into the Great Circle, Conclave! If we get ACCEPTED, we get a ticket in the lower tier (staff ticket).
---- So now that this decision is made - we go on practicing, creating performances that fit the BORG's wish for specifics, we meet multiple times a month, create a video and wait for our ACCEPTANCE to PARTICIPATE.
---- So now one of 4 things happens,
1)your troupe gets ACCEPTED, whew all that work might be worth it, and you get to buy a staff ticket, if you didn't already buy one when tickets went on sale - yeah for you!
2)your troupe gets ACCEPTED, whew all that work might be worth it, and you DON'T get to buy a staff ticket, because you already bought a ticket when they first went on sale. Wow I feel good!
3)Your troupe DOES NOT get ACCEPTED, and you were planning on that STAFF ticket, and now you have to buy the highest tier ticket. WHAT? REALLY?
4)Your troupe DOES NOT get ACCEPTED, and you were planning on that STAFF ticket, and now you have to buy the highest tier ticket, but wait it SOLD THE F OUT... so either your not going, or you are relegated to combing craigslist to find a ticket, (that no doubt is going to have a chance of being either a fake, or be higher priced)
For me, I fall into category 1, thank the BORGs.
But I have heard from a number of people who are surprised by it all, frustrated to say the least!
We, the Fire Community, are typically heavy participants at the event... we travel the city with our flames and perform numerous times, and we enjoy it.... But to think that those of us that spend months preparing for a night that has more fireworks then fire can be treated like this, we well.... are beginning to think that you really DON'T want us PARTICIPATING the night of the burn. So maybe you should reconsider how you treat the 50 or so troupes that submit applications to perform for the 65,000 people that will be WATCHING.
I have a suggestion, but I will wait for you to ask for it, maybe you already have an answer for this!
And yes I do realize that some troupes never submit the final video, and yes some people are just in ti to get a Staff ticket, but most of us have a dream of performing in front of the man before he burns.....
christophergraves2 wrote:The Policy I speak of was specific to those in CONCLAVE, this may or may not be the same for the other staff tickets...
But we were very clearly told by our Shin, not to try to buy another ticket if you already have one in your name.
trilobyte wrote:I have to admit, the man burn already feels awkwardly spectator-ish for me as it is. We participate all week long, then stand around and watch the man and the performers in the circle. It's all a bit more awkward, knowing that some of the people in the circle are getting free or discounted tickets to be there.
Eric wrote:trilobyte wrote:I have to admit, the man burn already feels awkwardly spectator-ish for me as it is. We participate all week long, then stand around and watch the man and the performers in the circle. It's all a bit more awkward, knowing that some of the people in the circle are getting free or discounted tickets to be there.
Yeah, I've felt that way for years, so I decided to make my spectating into participating: I pull a chair & some friends up to the Esplanade, we pull out cocktails & watch the spectacle from the back while making rude comments, occasionally through megaphones. Last year was great with our camp being on the Esplanade, so I know where I'll be doing from again this year.
Everyone is free to join, but you need to bring your own megaphones. The bar is right behind us so we can round up cocktail real easy.
Savannah wrote:It sounds freaky & wrong, so you need to do it.
junglesmacks wrote:Personally, I don't think there should be any concessions made for fire groups. Everyone should have the same access to the same priced tickets. You're no more special than any else of us. Get in line. Not to belittle your art or contribution, but I missed the listing of "radical entitlement" in the principles..
I also know personally of a lot of abuse of the access to cheap tickets. I know several people this year entering as a fire performer that would burn themselves with a lighter let alone fire poi. They skate right in along with the rest of the group as "members".
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