oneeyeddick wrote:You are right, I spent about $200 on wood for the frame/exoskeleton and paint, although a lot of the wood was recycled from pallets.
The hippy armor is recycled fiberglass water tanks.
The steel frame on top I literally found laying in the road(drop gate off of someones trailor.)
The flame effects I don't include in the price because they can he used elsewhere, and are not reliant upon the MV.
Total price for that was about $1200 altogether.
I understand the pride involved when you build it yourself, but there is no way you can justify electric-vs-IC for cost effectiviness and reliability yet....maybe in another 10 years, but not quite yet.
Major props for the heavy (re)use of found materials.
How much did the base vehicle cost though? Granted it's a little hard to compare the two vehicles due to size and mutanted vehicle vs. built from scratch.
10 years? Hmm... I don't know. The carbon nanotube batteries are looking really good...
What I'm really waiting for is for the electric cars that are coming off the lines to drive down the price of Lithium.
As far as reliability, I still can't agree. This isn't some beat-to-hell golfcart ready to fall apart or some mutated beater car with 2000 different parts to break to make the whole thing come to a halt. Plus if some bit did burn out on my MV, it's sure a lot easier to get to rather than digging around in an engine.
Thankfully I'll be able to reuse most of the "drivetrain" for the next MV (Motor, Motor controller, batteries, Contactor switches, etc) so I'm not starting from scratch cost-wise.
Captain Goddammit wrote:Gotta love a good debate.
Personally I've always chosen gas, but I think the "best" way depends on what your skills are, what you already have lying around or run across cheap, and what you want to do.
If you're into solar stuff and electric-powered stuff, go with it.
I think that unless you're going to recharge using solar power, you defeat the whole purpose by running a gas engine (generator) anyway to make the power.
The problem is if you want to build a larger vehicle and/or run a lot of lighting for night operation, you need a hell of a lot of solar cells and batteries. It's a lot more difficult to charge and carry enough batteries to equal the power potential of ten gallons of gasoline.
So basically I'd say the bigger and more lit up the vehicle is, the bigger the advantage of gas. The smaller the rig, the more it evens out and depends on your preference/skills/available material.
I love a good debate too.
Yeah, much more knowledgeable on electric stuff than I am on IC's.
(to the point I look at "IC" and still first think "Intergrated Circuit"
I have to disagree though on the point of running a gas genny to make the power (if you went that route). The efficiency is still far better. You lose a LOT of power in a IC to heat and friction. http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... -efficient
How much energy is lost getting electricity from the power plant to your PHEV or BEV? Plenty. In the U.S. right now, about 70 percent of the energy used to make electricity â€” more than four million gigawatt-hours â€” comes from fossil fuels. About 70 percent of that amount is wasted generating the power and transmitting it to your door. Additional energy is lost when charging batteries and running electric motors. Overall, electric cars use fossil fuel at 20 to 25 percent efficiency, but dismal as that sounds, it beats an internal-combustion car, which typically operates at about 15 percent efficiency. An HEV uses around 0.48-0.74 kilowatt-hours per mile, while PHEVs in electric mode and BEVs use 0.18-0.46 kWh per mile. By contrast, a conventional car getting 25 MPG uses 1.35 kWh/mile. To put the issue in more familiar terms, a PHEV or BEV offers fuel economy equivalent to as much as 188 miles per gallon.
You are right in that scaled a bit larger, the price would skyrocket due to needing much more charging capacity and lithium batteries (LiFePO4 ideally). Old school lead acid would be massive at that point. I'm already running 400lbs of batteries as it is (and that's only 4 batteries.
. Gasoline still wins on engery density sadly. (For now...
I'm looking into designing some cheap and easy to make wind turbines (VAWT style) to mount to the ship to boost the incoming power since I went away from the solar panel mounted to the ship design.
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