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Electric assist bikes

Postby Karma » Thu May 13, 2010 6:56 pm

The Org sent out an e-mail stating that electric assist bikes are no longer Verboten.
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Postby Elorrum » Thu May 13, 2010 7:18 pm

whoop whoop!
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Postby Sham » Thu May 13, 2010 7:44 pm

can you post the info here?
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Postby motskyroonmatick » Thu May 13, 2010 8:09 pm

I'd like to see that info too.
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Postby Karma » Thu May 13, 2010 9:20 pm

Sorry, I got the info from a good friend (BR Ranger) who also works with the Org. He called me today when he got an E-mail from them that along with other stuff they share amongst there little group, stated that electric assist bikes would be allowed this year.

He called me right away with the news cause he knows I want to use one out there and was irked I could'nt ride one last year even though I brought it.

It's straight up. I would'nt have posted if it was'nt.

Start chargin those batteries ^_^
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Postby Marscrumbs » Fri May 14, 2010 11:15 am

Gee, I will be no longer an outlaw? I bet they'll still keep that five mile an hour rule though.
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Postby Ugly Dougly » Fri May 14, 2010 1:28 pm

Because they're not noisy?
What about scooters?
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Postby dragonfly Jafe » Fri May 14, 2010 1:28 pm

yeah, I heard it too. Completely electric bikes that cannot be manually pedaled are still stand-up only (no seat allowed). But if you can pedal it, and it has 2 or 3 wheels, it can be powered (up to some limit having to do with speed on level ground and distance traveled on a charge). Apparently the State of Nevada just passed a law, and the Org is essentially adopting that language.

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Postby FIGJAM » Fri May 14, 2010 4:13 pm

Something like this?

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6 and1/2 miles an hour and maybe 15 mile range.
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Postby Elorrum » Fri May 14, 2010 5:05 pm

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Postby Plumeria » Fri May 14, 2010 7:20 pm

I am excited about this. A friend of mine owns a company that sells these types of bikes, among other things! :) So I get to take one out to the playa. And, for someone like me, who has some herniated discs, having the extra "help" is great!
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Postby FIGJAM » Fri May 14, 2010 8:30 pm

Thats why im bringing mine, bad disk.
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Postby AntiM » Sat May 15, 2010 7:32 am

So no electric assist for the rhoadescar, huh?
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Postby Elorrum » Sat May 15, 2010 7:41 am

I haven't read anything else about it except for what is in this thread. sounds like info here says functioning pedal drive plus electric assist is o.k.... 2 or three wheels. Dang, AntiM... Rhodes car should be allowed. I hope to hear more about it.
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Postby FIGJAM » Sat May 15, 2010 7:44 am

I dont follow your logic antim. If the rule is changed, why cant you put a kit on the roadescar?
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Postby CapSmashy » Sat May 15, 2010 8:02 am

Roadscar is 4 wheels.
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Postby dragonfly Jafe » Sat May 15, 2010 10:41 am

...apparently the state law only covers 2-3 wheels (so no electric assist mono-wheels either!)

but I don't work for the Org...and am only passing on rumors...and yes the 5mph rule applies!
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Postby somekind » Mon May 17, 2010 6:12 pm

This is fantastic! Now I have a reason to buy a diesel generator to bring to generate the power I'm going to need for my day's activities!
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Postby ibdave » Mon May 17, 2010 7:57 pm

somekind wrote:This is fantastic! Now I have a reason to buy a diesel generator to bring to generate the power I'm going to need for my day's activities!



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Postby Ugly Dougly » Tue May 18, 2010 10:20 am

Can you provide space for a generator on a three-wheeled "electrical" vehicle?

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Postby bburrito » Tue May 18, 2010 11:30 pm

Oh man. The pic of the trike makes me sad. Even sadder that electric assist is allowed now. I scored a tandem side-by-side tricycle on craigslist for a good deal with a plan to convert it to electric assist. Got stolen out of my yard a short while later. Steel chain had been cut.
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Postby gyre » Wed May 19, 2010 4:20 pm

Keep looking.
Those stand out.

Use abus chain next time or equal.
And a good lock.
I suggest a shrouded like the 6327.

Anyone bringing a pedalec needs at least a hoop lock out there.

Also the weight often rides harder on the rough terrain.
Better seat maybe?
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Postby illy dilly » Wed May 19, 2010 4:36 pm

gyre wrote:Keep looking.
Those stand out.

Use abus chain next time or equal.
And a good lock.
I suggest a shrouded like the 6327.

Anyone bringing a pedalec needs at least a hoop lock out there.

Also the weight often rides harder on the rough terrain.
Better seat maybe?

Good point. I wasn't really worried about anyone stealing my POS bike, but a nice motorized bike would be a another story!
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Postby gyre » Wed May 19, 2010 5:09 pm

POS bikes get stolen too.
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Postby sierrahiker68 » Wed May 26, 2010 1:56 pm

I have brought my electric assist trike for a couple of years now.... No one has ever said a thing. I would rather have that than one of the noisy scooters.
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Postby sambojones » Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:58 pm

unless i missed it i haven't seen anything about this on the bmorg website... just wondering if this is for real or not? electric assist would be kickass but i don't wanna waste time or money on it if i won't be able to use it or get it confiscated...
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How about 2 stroke gas motorized assist bicycles

Postby pandora422 » Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:32 pm

When can I find the official word on this? Is there someone at BM Org I can speek with?

It just dosen't make much sence to me to haul gas and a generator up there to charge an electric assist bike when you can just put gas in a 2 stroke assist bicycle?

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Postby AntiM » Thu Jul 22, 2010 5:49 am

The change has been made because Nevada law now allows the electric assist vehicles to count as bikes... something like that. You don't need a genny to charge the battery, bring two and use solar to charge the one not in use.
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Postby gyre » Thu Jul 22, 2010 6:38 am

It is definitely preferable to bring a spare battery pack or more, but it can be costly.

Note that matched battery packs are universally recognized as performing better, something that is measurably better on most bikes.

I have seen lead acid used as auxiliary packs on a bike.
Very heavy, but can have a useful charge life.
I rode someone's bike that had them mounted very low on the rear.
A friend suggests low mounting is actually counterproductive for control.

Even lead acid should be purchased from the same lot at the same time.
This is not the same as a matched factory set though.

Nicad or NIMH is probably very cost effective because besides the weight benefits, charging time is far better than lead acid.
It should be possible to plug in anywhere you are for a period of time that power is available and make a substantial difference.

Make sure you have a multi-plug connector and an extension cord..
Often there is surplus power and people are happy to let you plug in, if there is an outlet.

Lithium ion and lithium phosphate are considered superior by most people, but matched and regulated sets are even more beneficial, as is quality of the charger.
These are the most costly battery sets currently.
Some people still consider nimh superior, especially when a small set is being pushed hard.

On any, the quality of the charger is not an area to skimp.
A good fast charger may cost as much as the controller or battery pack.

Slow charging on lead and nicad/nimh is much less problematic.
A nice option at times.
But you will want the option of fast charging available in most cases.


I personally prefer to pay to share generator power with someone.
This allows charging in the evening, when solar is nil.
Last year though, I used someone's power when they ran it in the afternoon only and that was pretty adequate by itself.
It is an exceptionally efficient system though.

Even with the lightest of electric bikes, I was pretty much beaten to death with the rough ride, due to the extra weight, I think.
Wider tires are really needed and a suspension is looking real good to me right now.
The seat is sprung, but low quality, so I will be looking for a better seat, cost permitting.

Mine also came with few speeds, so more speeds would make a huge difference.
If you get one without a hubgear, I recommend changing over to one.
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Postby maheesh » Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:52 am

I know its been asked, i've searched the forums, but I don't find an absolute answer...can you ride an electric bike if you keep the speed to 5? Thx.
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