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Postby tattoogoddess » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:02 pm

This year I will be starting the First Burning Man Quilt! It will be up later this spring for funding on Kick starter. This is the "about" I have set up on the Kickstarter (ps if you see anything I should change please let me know)

Burning Man Is about- Love,Family,Community,Art,and Expression. I want to bring all of those together in one place. The Playa. In 2012 I will be attending burning man creating a art installation on the Playa the whole week. It is - Project Burning Man Quilt. I will be bringing with me roughly 150 yards of fabric, enough to make around 2,000 Quilt squares. I will going to various Burning Man camps and spots on the Playa asking people to take these squares and design them in any way they desire. From a drawing, to a memorial of a past love one, to a inspirational message... anything they want. That is the whole idea of Burning Man. Freedom of Expression and Mind.

Each year the quilt will be on display at Burning Man on the Playa for all to see and read. Each year it will be added onto. Getting bigger and bigger, gaining more power to change the mind set or feeling of one person at a time.

The quilt will be sewn and added to each year by my self and my sisters after every Burning Man.

The Materials Required for this Project and cost are as Follows-

150 Yard of Fabric and backing for 2,000 Squares at $3.00 Per Yard- $450.00

400 Fabric Markers- $400.00

Thread $20.00

Transportation of materials to and from Burning Man $250.00
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Postby junglesmacks » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:25 pm

She lives!


Good to see you back, kiddo.. :wink:


Props on the project! Good luck! Can't wait to see it in person..
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Postby bigdane » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:12 pm

Awesome idea...can't wait to participate!
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Postby wh..sh » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:21 pm

Great project! Good luck.
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Postby tattoogoddess » Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:23 pm

Yep I am still alive. I just needed a break from the Circus to re group my mind.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:01 pm

Umm...Not meaning to be a Dick but the NEB already has existed for years, in the Bar thread and on Playa too.

Don't sweat it though, the Greeks and the romans did it all first anyway.


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Postby knowmad » Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:32 pm

Hi TG!
You could save $ by buying fabric in the form of used clothing. Most thrift stores have a discard bin, full of torn, FUGLY and ???; that they sell by the bag for cheep. for $10 you can make 2 8x4 foot quilts (the romans did ;-) )
also $250 for transpo to the playa? WTHUTAW?
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Postby lemur » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:29 pm

this is the kind of art id like to see not relying on the community (kickstartr) to get funded


tons of artists would be willing to make art at burning man if someone else was willing to pay for it. (as its been throughout the history of art.. patrons will allow one to make art)

seeing these smaller projects (like small apparently for personal use mutant vehicles) looking to be funded by the community seems a bit off to me. what risk/reward is in it for the artist when its apparently all funded by someone else?


...yes yes, 'for the community' .....


i see something is lost when ones creativity is limited by how much money other people are willing to put up for someone elses art.


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Postby ygmir » Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:32 pm

some good thoughts, good advice, good opinions in the above 3 or 4 posts.
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Re: The NEB - Burning Man Quilt In person

Postby tattoogoddess » Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:30 pm

knowmad wrote:Hi TG!
You could save $ by buying fabric in the form of used clothing. Most thrift stores have a discard bin, full of torn, FUGLY and ???; that they sell by the bag for cheep. for $10 you can make 2 8x4 foot quilts (the romans did ;-) )
also $250 for transpo to the playa? WTHUTAW?



I want all the pieces to be crisp white and $250 is the cost to get it out there and back paying for room in a trailer. It would be even more if I ship it. That much fabric weighs quite a bit and takes up almost a whole back seat.

Also it may not be everyone's cup of tea. You do not have to help with the funding that is fine. But I am spending every dime I have to make it out there this year. I would love to contribute art but do not have the funds to take on this project on my own so I am asking for help like many other artist do with grants and programs like this.



It will look something like this-
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Hopefully with grow into this-
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With squares similar to this but with whatever people would like to put on them words like this or drawing... ect-
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Postby junglesmacks » Fri Dec 09, 2011 9:27 pm

For the $250 you could rent a box truck and just drive it and camp in it.. just saying.
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Postby trilobyte » Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:09 pm

No offense, but I think you're over-extending yourself to a ridiculous extent. There's a reason why so many people advise that in your first year, you don't get involved too extensively (or even at all) in projects on the playa. Just getting there is going to be a lot harder than most people think (and not just financially). Don't worry about anything else, just worry about getting to (and from) Burning Man.

Beyond that, art projects on the playa are often massive labors of love that will pauper artists (and campmates) even when you've got plenty of financial resources. In other words, they're money pits. Trying to organize publicly funded art is an even greater challenge - there's a responsibility not only to deliver on the promise being made to investors and donors, but in just managing the program and handling the accounting end of things. Even experienced playa artists struggle with it, and often end up spending a lot more of their own money than they had planned in order to see the project through. There are still several hundred (if not over a thousand) artists out there still deep in debt over projects they built (or attempted to build) for the 2011 event. Rather than jumping into the deep end with weighted boots, you might want to either start on a scale that fits your financial means, or find a way to help participate in someone else's project.
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Postby lemur » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:36 am

word.


it aint so easy !


2000 is way a lot..


20 might be a good start, for reals..

youll be working full time 40+ hours during the week to do anything useful with this huge amount of stuff

and i think many people can attest to the fact that any project that isnt basically completed before burning man likely wont get completed at the event... even if the intent is to do so from the beginning...






go out there, see how it is first........... just getting around is hard, dude, burning man is really big.. and everyone is doing their own thing,.. even with awesome ideas, people just might not be as interested in your project as you are...

youd have to have a team of people, or dedicate your entire burn to get even close to using up 2000 individual patches of a quilt....

without even known what it is to go there... i think this may be a bit too much to chew off..


ive been to the burn and built 1000sq feet structures, managing over 50 volunteers... and i wouldnt do what youre doing without lots more help and scaled down to a more manageable size.. 200 people taking part would be a huge amount.,. and even that would dedicate many hours a day for 1 person to pull off...
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Postby lemur » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:38 am

burning man wont break your heart.... it will crush it.
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Postby tattoogoddess » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:36 am

I will ask you nicely.

Please do not tell me how my AP will go. You do not know how I plan to do it so thus not knowing how long it will take me. It is my burn and if i want to spend this so said 40 hour.Then why is that wrong?

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Postby junglesmacks » Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:44 am

tattoogoddess wrote:Please do not tell me how my AP will go. You do not know how I plan to do it so thus not knowing how long it will take me. It is my burn and if i want to spend this so said 40 hour.Then why is that wrong?



Don't take it as criticism, TG.. they're being extremely honest and polite about it. They also have VERY valid points, and are trying to save you a possible disaster and mind melting situation of ruining your virgin burn. You'll find the same recommendation given to people all over this board that are gung ho about trying to volunteer and do this and do that their first year. The fact of the matter is that whatever you think this experience will be like.. from leaving your driveway to returning back to it.. it will end up being something radically more different and trying than you can ever imagine.

I'm third, fourth, fifthing the recommendation to focus on just making it there your first year, and putting your energy into preparing yourself instead of letting an attempted art project completely suck the resources and energy out of you before you even know what you're facing.

These aren't jackasses saying these things to you.. these are multi-year, seasoned burners.



One alternative may be to scale down the project a little bit and simplify it. You could bring a limited amount of fabric squares with you and just casually have people decorate them as they and you have time. If you don't feel like doing it, then you don't have to.. you're only invested in some fabric scraps. This would give you the option of getting out there and putting as much energy and time into it as you wanted or were able to without totally committing a massive amount of resources and time. Think: scalable energy input. If all goes well, then when you get back you can start assembling them and worrying about that aspect of it. 2000 units of ANYTHING is way more than you think. How about start cutting and see where you end up. In any case, it shouldn't cost you $250 to transport some fabric scraps..



...but hey.. do whatcha like. YMMV.
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Postby Elderberry » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:12 am

:roll: Here we go again! :roll: Didint anyone learn anything! :shock: This one does not handle critisim well. :roll:
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Postby junglesmacks » Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:17 am

Waiting for the Fishy OCD spelling nazi-ism in 3..2..1...
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Postby wh..sh » Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:43 am

lemur wrote:and i think many people can attest to the fact that any project that isnt basically completed before burning man likely wont get completed at the event... even if the intent is to do so from the beginning...


I attest. Most burners have an attention span of a 2 year old in a candy store when the 2 year old is already on a sugar high.
Make sure the quilt squares won't take too long for people to make (I can't even spell q of quilting).

PS: I think all funded projects do a financial report in the end on how the money was spent. It would be helpful to do that.

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Postby trilobyte » Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:18 am

Do whatever you want. But if you post about it publicly, and especially if you're planning on relying on public support, then you invite public criticism and comment.
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Postby knowmad » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:00 pm

Thicker skin TG.
The playa and burners are a tough croud.
There will be burners telling you; you are doing it wrong (bet at laest one of em is critical of my criticism) and you are going to have to attract voluntary help. Let me ask you; why would I help you if my criticism isn't welcome?
I'm pretty good with numbers and projections. Here is a few numbers you'll need to think about.
For a 2000 sq. Ft quilt.
@ 0.25 man hours per sq. (sweat shop speed) it would take 500 man hours to do it. Lets say you are able to find 25 awesome volunteers, they'd have to be cause they'd be each giving up 20 hrs playa time. (I reluctantly give up that much time to sleep on playa.)
and they will be drinking flirting and deserting for drinks pottie breaks. And ...
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Postby Rice » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:51 pm

tattoogoddess wrote:I will ask you nicely.

Please do not tell me how my AP will go. You do not know how I plan to do it so thus not knowing how long it will take me. It is my burn and if i want to spend this so said 40 hour.Then why is that wrong?

"and everyone is doing their own thing"
Perhaps this is my thing?


You are correct. There is no right way to do a art project for/at Burning Man!

Those of us that care for your well-being, offer our suggestions out of respect. The desert is a harsh mistress! She can kick one's ass, even try to kill you. It is a wonderful, amazing, terrifying, horrific, fantastic place. BRC enhances everything - both good and bad.

I thought I knew what I was going to experience, my virgin burn.... Oh how wrong I was, I knew nothing. All I am saying is that one's first burn is a tad overwhelming.

In the end, your burn is what you make it.

I hope to meet you on the playa!
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Postby oneeyeddick » Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:58 pm

Just a little note, if you don't have SHADE for random people help you out underneath, you will NOT get random people to help you out at all....usually.
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Postby tattoogoddess » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:18 pm

oneeyeddick wrote:Just a little note, if you don't have SHADE for random people help you out underneath, you will NOT get random people to help you out at all....usually.


No one from the playa is helping with this other then doing the squares. I am just handing them to people I meet,Leaving them in random spots. (small instructions will be attached to them) No this will not be MOOP. All of the sewing will be done at home after the burn.

All im getting at is people think they know what I am doing. I helped with something like this before. It is really not that big of a task. I have it under control. I know the costs of this,how long it will take on and off the playa. I have been creating quilts sense the age of 10. I started making quilts with the Amish. That is not a joke. I learned how to sew on a treadel machine. ( one you use your foot and has no power)

I will have plenty of time to do this at BM. I do not plan on partying sun up to sun up. Also this is part therapy to me. It is my "ice breaker" to go up and talk to random people. There is a purpose behind this art not only for other people but for me and my social anxiety/shyness.
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Postby lucky420 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:34 pm

TG,
this is what I did last year. I wanted to share something with people out on the playa. I figured it would be fun and a great way to meet people. So I had 350 shot glasses printed up with "Shot in the Dark" BRC 2011. I bought a bunch of different alcohols and fixed up a little cart complete with el wire sign. My plan was to hit the playa on different nights and just roam with my cart and hand out shots and glasses. It was really fun and people seemed to really enjoy it.

It was at times however a lot of work. One night I walked 6 hours and another night 5 hours pulling my little cart all over the playa. There were other times that I did this, just not as long. And I brought a bunch over to the meet and greet. I also gave some out at our block party on I st. 350 shot glasses is just a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the amount of people who attend and I thought I would run out of glasses or be finished by the time I left for home. NOT! :lol: I still have a couple of dozen left :oops: I will bring them next year and just mix them in with the 2012 shot glasses, because I plan on doing this again. I think I learned a few things of what will work better so that I don't have any left over glasses again...

My point is, even though I had a lot of fun doing this I didn't always want to do it. There are a lot of shiny things out there and you may not always want to be doing your project. Or then again you might and that's fine too. There will most likely be times when you just want or need to lounge around, but maybe not. After all I am older so maybe I tend to lounge more. But then again I am from the area and am used to the climate. You may aclimate quickly and not be bothered by it. There's just a lot of variables...You may just not want to start out so big is all.

But if you are bound and determined to do it your way then, YAY! I would love to do a square and you could probably snag me to help pass out some squares too. :)
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Postby lucky420 » Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:36 pm

I do think it is a grand idea though. You won't be pulling a bar cart around so it is a completely different scenario. Ice breakers are great!
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Postby funkyjigsaw » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:21 pm

Heya! I have two of those shot glasses at home here in my cupboard in Cambridge UK!! Thanks! xxx


lucky420 wrote:TG,
this is what I did last year. I wanted to share something with people out on the playa. I figured it would be fun and a great way to meet people. So I had 350 shot glasses printed up with "Shot in the Dark" BRC 2011. I bought a bunch of different alcohols and fixed up a little cart complete with el wire sign. My plan was to hit the playa on different nights and just roam with my cart and hand out shots and glasses. It was really fun and people seemed to really enjoy it.

It was at times however a lot of work. One night I walked 6 hours and another night 5 hours pulling my little cart all over the playa. There were other times that I did this, just not as long. And I brought a bunch over to the meet and greet. I also gave some out at our block party on I st. 350 shot glasses is just a tiny drop in the bucket compared to the amount of people who attend and I thought I would run out of glasses or be finished by the time I left for home. NOT! :lol: I still have a couple of dozen left :oops: I will bring them next year and just mix them in with the 2012 shot glasses, because I plan on doing this again. I think I learned a few things of what will work better so that I don't have any left over glasses again...

My point is, even though I had a lot of fun doing this I didn't always want to do it. There are a lot of shiny things out there and you may not always want to be doing your project. Or then again you might and that's fine too. There will most likely be times when you just want or need to lounge around, but maybe not. After all I am older so maybe I tend to lounge more. But then again I am from the area and am used to the climate. You may aclimate quickly and not be bothered by it. There's just a lot of variables...You may just not want to start out so big is all.

But if you are bound and determined to do it your way then, YAY! I would love to do a square and you could probably snag me to help pass out some squares too. :)
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Postby junglesmacks » Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:42 pm

lucky420 wrote:So I had 350 shot glasses printed up with "Shot in the Dark" BRC 2011.


WOW so THAT'S where it came from!!! Mystery solved!!!
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Postby lemur » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:17 pm

tattoogoddess wrote:
oneeyeddick wrote:Just a little note, if you don't have SHADE for random people help you out underneath, you will NOT get random people to help you out at all....usually.


No one from the playa is helping with this other then doing the squares. I am just handing them to people I meet,Leaving them in random spots. (small instructions will be attached to them) No this will not be MOOP. All of the sewing will be done at home after the burn.

All im getting at is people think they know what I am doing. I helped with something like this before. It is really not that big of a task. I have it under control. I know the costs of this,how long it will take on and off the playa. I have been creating quilts sense the age of 10. I started making quilts with the Amish. That is not a joke. I learned how to sew on a treadel machine. ( one you use your foot and has no power)

I will have plenty of time to do this at BM. I do not plan on partying sun up to sun up. Also this is part therapy to me. It is my "ice breaker" to go up and talk to random people. There is a purpose behind this art not only for other people but for me and my social anxiety/shyness.


i think Dick was trying to say people will likely be less than interested in working on hundreds of squares without shade.. not helpers, but the participants you seek out..

i think youre missing out on the fact that whether you know what youre doing or not.. .. plenty of people in the past knew what they were doing only to end up with a whole buncha pain and suffering... burning man destroys even the best laid plans...

you have to relearn how to do things out there.... you may know how to build, to create.. to be whatever in the normal world but its a whole lot different when youre on a giant dry lake bed with extreme conditions and a 24/7 party going on...

for reals, just living is hard enough out there even for the experienced people..

I dont think that you have nearly enough experience with the conditions one deals with out there in that climate to say things like 'its not a big task' or 'i have it under control' ...and especially the suggestion you know how long things will take on the playa...

if you havnt been before you just might not be able to grasp what the few people here are trying to say...

We got off lucky in 2011.. the weather was nice and calm... but 2012 could surely be different and ones ass could be kicked and one may be 'done' with burning man before the sun even comes up on tuesday morning. I recall a lot of people leaving in the past on tuesday, wednesday because of the extreme white out dust storms.. im sure they didnt plan on leaving so early..

there are simpler and cheaper ways of getting around shyness and breaking the ice.. you dont need gifts or stuff to do it..

take the warnings! people arent suggesting NOT to do this at all so much as saying to dial it back in scope.

in 2008 i made a bunch of necklaces, like 25 of them..... it was a lot more difficult to find the time and the willing people to hand them out than i had figured.

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Re: The NEB - Burning Man Quilt In person

Postby oneeyeddick » Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:23 pm

junglesmacks wrote:
lucky420 wrote:So I had 350 shot glasses printed up with "Shot in the Dark" BRC 2011.


WOW so THAT'S where it came from!!! Mystery solved!!!


I somehow ended up with two of those also, although I never saw the cart.
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