The Pier 2

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Re: The Pier 2

Postby dingonv » Wed Oct 26, 2011 5:11 pm

sometimes i have to read online, the updates of just what the hell is going to be going on partially in my literal backyard :wink:
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby jcliff » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:53 pm

This is awesome! I've said many times that we need to have less love and more war on the playa! (I'm kidding, but only a little bit.) It may have been suggested before, but I suggest getting a Kiskstarter campaign going sooner than later. I've made a personal goal this year to contribute in a meaningful way to an art piece. After reading all the posts, I think Pier 2 would be it. It's easier for me to donate through the year in smaller chunks, rather than trying to save up for a larger donation. Things always come up that suck money away from the best intentions. I'll be in Reno for a long weekend in January and a longer trip in April taking care of my RV. If you guys have the project up and running by then I'd love to volunteer some woman hours.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby Ugly Dougly » Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:11 pm

Pier Two sounds like an import store. :D
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby EspressoDude » Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:04 am

more battle! ship against ship!

check out the Treasure Island Casino, Las Vegas, pirate ship battle: dancing, fire, big booms, attacking ship sinks ( or burns )

lots of videos on youtube
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Sat Oct 29, 2011 3:54 am

Right now we are considering an early kickstarter, maybe December and a Spring Kickstarter. We may do a third, but that is kinda up in the air. Its a challenge. We want to raise the money we can (as every penny goes right into making the project cooler) but we want to make sure we don't set the bar too high and miss it. Finding the money needed to do this will be a struggle, will we do it, yes. Will it be a good amount of hard work to do, yes. :).

How often do you get to make a front 3rd of a giant crashed ship? Like even as a kid I never dreamed of doing something like this :D.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby JayBobBoy » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:31 am

I would like to echo the sentiments of jcliff above. I am planning to contribute in a similar way this year and your project has captured my imagination. I am in the SF Bay Area and would like to contribute both some time and $$.

You mentioned needing help with some of the decorations for the art piece that I could deliver at the event or just prior...I would really like to help with some of that!!

I get the feeling that there are a lot of people out there like us that are touched by your creation and the community collaboration that it fosters. I will wager that your fundraising efforts will be easier than you think...I feel like I would get great value from a donation to your project.

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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Wed Nov 02, 2011 9:42 pm

Its nice to hear that so many people want to support our little (giant) project.

We need ship lighting ideas?

And,.... any thoughts on how you all would like to see The Pier itself? More bait shop, a yatch club maybe? Cushions in the boats? Did anyone notice the Barnicles? What should we expand upon?
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby funkyjigsaw » Thu Nov 03, 2011 3:29 am

A giant Kraken entangled in the crashed ship?
A giant Moby Dick?
Scramble nets / rigging?
Maybe a collaboration with the Steampunk Octopus?
A Brig / Prison as part of the crashed boat ... maybe with some dungeon equipment in it ... kinky!

I can certainly contribute $$$s, but live in the UK, so not so easy with time! :D
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:37 pm

I would love to do a Kraken but I think getting the level of detail we need would be like a whole new project. Although I have been throwing around this idea in my head of trying to create something akin to the lake opera stages ([url]http://twistedsifter.com/2011/08/outdoor-opera-on-the-lake-stages-of-bregenz/[/url]) at burning man. The Pier will have a ship, and if we could find a way to encourage other art projects to maybe join our site and possibly make a super art project. A collection of projects that seem to work well with each other to create a story, a stage, a concept, etc,...

We will have as many nets and as much rigging as we can acquire :). Hopefully the damned thing will be covered with miles of rope.

Would love to collaborate with as many of the art cars we can find. The Octopus is one that would be great fun to have around the pier a couple of nights.

The ship will have a pretty creepy brig. Dead prisoner and his life scrawled on the walls of the brig. We want the man to look like he was possibly falsely imprisoned and died weeping in the corner.

At this point $$$ is what we really need. Never thought I would say that, but we need to get wood in our volunteers hands,.... tehehehe, I said that.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby bigdane » Mon Nov 07, 2011 7:56 pm

I live in FL and will be a virgin 2012. I doubt I could be much assistance manually (but if I can make someting to be installed on site...perhaps I can).
However I second (or third) the sentiment that you could garner some financial supposrt to such a community project... be sure to post when the time comes and I'll help $$ with what I can...

I also think the idea of trying to get other projects that would tie into the theme would rock!
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby theCryptofishist » Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:35 pm

The Kraken can be next year's project... You'll need something to get you through the 2012/13 winter.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:40 am

I have a feeling that 2013 will be my year off. We never intended The Pier to be a 2 year project.

But this year we are going all out :).
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby MyDearFriend » Thu Nov 10, 2011 5:00 am

fbcota wrote:Right now we are considering an early kickstarter, maybe December [...]


fbcota wrote:At this point $$$ is what we really need. Never thought I would say that, but we need to get wood in our volunteers hands,.... tehehehe, I said that.


I am all in favor of putting wood in people's hands, dude 8) so, please get your kickstarter up! I don't know which is a worse time to squeeze cash out of my budget, right before xmas or right after :lol: but I will do it. Jeez last time you waited to kickstart until after I had way overspent my BM art-support budget on other people's projects :shock: but, I managed to cough up enough for a hoodie, which actually pays for itself with the wistful smiles it generates as I wear it around my city. Another way to go hippy-fishing. 8)

But go go go hon, please take my $$$ while I have still got some!
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby SouthernExposure » Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:55 pm

Tell me, isn't "Pier 2 Pier" just another phrase for modern day Piracy?

Arggghhh.

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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:20 pm

I read that and thought that was a Pier 2 Pier sex joke. Maybe that can be the new project. 2 Piers making love while they stream a certain shitty disney movie on thar intarwebs.

Ohh, plastic ship model has arrived. Time to make a miniature, sqweeee!!!

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Re: The Pier 2

Postby tamarakay » Mon Nov 14, 2011 7:22 pm

Yes, please do a kickstarter soon. I have just a little budget, but want to support this.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby googbox2 » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:49 pm

You know Matty, I think a few pages back I said I could *possibly* be a volunteer coordinator. You know where to find me. Get a phone you damn hippie.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Tue Nov 15, 2011 7:22 pm

Phone invalidate my whole anti-corporate plutocratic denomination based ideal state of existencial being image manipulationg tool (hippie clone stamp tool),.... err soon I will have phone,....
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:34 pm

Its been a long time I know. We have been busy with a couple silly little grants. Hopefully this will make you all feel a bit more loved

I present to you,.....

The Ship:
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Just a layout image, we will fill the interior of the ship with rooms, canons, hammocks and stories :)
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby Nipple » Wed Jan 18, 2012 4:56 pm

I don't mean to criticize, but that ship has certainly seen better days!


(With its best days still ahead!)
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby Undecided » Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:23 pm

One of my favorite installations last year just got a little more awesome.

So pumped!
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:09 pm

Ok, we are trying to find build space in Reno. Last year we built the entire Pier in Verdi but we need to have a place that people can just come to and work that is in town.

Anybody have any solid leads? We just need a large space, a safe place to store tools and lots of power. No requirement for it being indoor, but we do need to work late.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby moonrise » Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:19 pm

@fbcota, when you have time an "Obtanium" wish list would be good to post, and a drop off location, when you find a space.

Is 18th century the era we're shooting for?
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Wed Jan 18, 2012 10:09 pm

@moonrise :D

Yes we are thinking 18th century. Here is something I posted on the facebook page

"Not really pirates. We want to tell the story of a kind of rag tag crew on this ship. The idea is kinda this:
The ship was commishioned by some navy 300 years ago. Then Pirates took it. They crashed it somewhere. Some other group salvaged it and used it for some time. Then it was abandoned again etc,...
I want it to be a ship that people have just continually picked up until its last crew.
And we are telling the tale of the last crew. Not even sure what their story is. Would be great to build some really fanciful journey a long the shores of the inland sea Lahontan.
Tell some tale of mythical playa creatures and a hunt for lost treasure
I think these are more "Normal" people, living a life at sea in a very strange land.
I want it to be like a book you explore instead of read."

We are looking for A LOT OF STUFF. Anything that would look great on an old ship, tell the story of a man/woman crew member etc is perfect. So laterns lots of laterns, ship parts, small old paintings, chests, old old victorian clothing, lockets, journals, cannons, kegs, wood carvings, trinkets, victorian style furniture (its a ship wreck so the furniture can be damaged), more wood, I could go on and on and on.

We need to gather about 1000 props. Its a huge list. In March we will make a full list and let you loose on the world :).

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Re: The Pier 2

Postby 5280MeV » Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:28 pm

fbcota wrote:So laterns lots of laterns


Are you looking for actual working lanterns?

I saw this circa 1850's Onion Lamp:

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http://www.westsea.com/tsg3/catlocker/cat18chart.htm


This thing is $600, but I thought that it might be possible to make a reasonable enough approximation of it. One could take some sections of 6" or so PVC pipes for the cylinders, and a squat plastic jar as a replacement for the blown glass. These could be bolted together with small brass angle brackets. To achieve an approximate look of the actual lantern, one could coat the PVC in thick copper foil and also try to make a castellated top. Bare copper grounding wire could be used for the cage. Once constructed, one could maybe corrode the copper by immersing it in salt water wired to some aluminum foil with a 9V battery reversing the current flow of the cell.

Apparently you can use those dim flickering-LEDs in votive candles to control a high power LED:

http://www.evilmadscientist.com/article.php/flicker

So I was thinking that in the base of the lantern, one could house 8 AA batteries, a bright automotive LED, and the simple electronics needed to flicker the high-power LED.

Not sure how well this would work out, and if it will end up looking really cool or really cheezy. But if this is along the lines of what is needed, it would be a fun winter project to try to build a prototype.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:47 pm

I wonder if you could take a hand-blown Mexican glass (I'm sure they had float glass in the 1800s but blah, blah, blah) with all those lovely bubbles. You could leave the bottom on and fake it, or maybe take the bottom off with a tile saw or a ring saw.

I love hand blown glass. I love the punty marks, even though I told you there were ways of taking it off. Of course, glass on the playa, and I bet they had molds as well. My great-grandfather worked on the railway and we have his old lantern. I not bringing that to the playa.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Thu Jan 19, 2012 4:59 pm

I love both ideas. We don't need the laterns to work. They just need to look cool and hold something that casts light. We have been thinking along the lines of the fake fire leds. Still kinda debating this one. I have been impressed with the fake fire leds over the years and as long as you hide them well the light looks pretty convincing.

This ship is going to be a mish mash of maybe 200 years worth of stuff. So, we are not married to traditional glass tech, although blown glass really does look nice. The ship lighting issue has been talked about a lot but we still don't have a solid answer. With The Pier we didn't decide on final lighting until maybe May. I have a feeling the ship will be similar.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby theCryptofishist » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:00 pm

Truth is if it's breakable some clever "frat boy" (or some "frat boy" who thinks he's clever/cute) will find a way to destroy or steal it.
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby Dustdevil » Thu Jan 19, 2012 5:19 pm

I could light up the entire ship for you. Perhaps Friday evening, around 10:00 pm?
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Re: The Pier 2

Postby fbcota » Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:23 pm

Not so worried about the frat boys, more concerned about people peeing on the pier. I am sure the frat boys played their part but I have met a handful of regular burners who did it.

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