biking to the burn/early arrival

Postby gyre » Tue Jul 13, 2010 3:35 pm

Token wrote:I just love the fact that folks who operate home built fire cannons, toss propane canisters into bonfires, burn and blow up anything and everything they can possibly imagine get their panties all up in a wad just because someone wants to ride a bike.


That should really tell you something, shouldn't it?

And not just fire cannon, by the way.
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Postby ygmir » Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:53 pm

Token wrote:I just love the fact that folks who operate home built fire cannons, toss propane canisters into bonfires, burn and blow up anything and everything they can possibly imagine get their panties all up in a wad just because someone wants to ride a bike.

Fucking hilarious!

Can I bring a bunch of corks and stick them on your forks so you don't poke your own eyes out?

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Postby nixos » Tue Jul 13, 2010 6:32 pm

thanks mang! yeah, i just took the teas test and passed, so i'm in officially, but now they tell me i might be in the spring 2011 semester of the program...so i might still be able to go to burnin mang! but as far as biking there goes, i'm on the fence...i probably won't do it, just to appease you guys... but i do indeed have a camp that is supporting me and i have a trailer that i attach to my bike, which can carry the necessities i need(truthfully i can bring in 78.54% of what i need on that) i'm just having my friends bring a little bit of extra water/food. i've done some extensive bike touring before, and on the east coast...new jersey..blegh..some of the worst and most packed roads/highways with no shoulder...so i'd be used to it. and i wouldn't ride during peak time! hell no! i was thinking, if i do it, going early as fuck sunday morning/saturday night and just watching for headlights and pulling off the road.
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Postby nixos » Tue Jul 13, 2010 8:35 pm

oneeyeddick...you are the only asshole on this page providing hateful words to a pure inquiry as to whether it would be okay for me to ride my bike on the 447 in order to get to burning man. thank you to the rest for providing decent advice, although the tone you convey through text is still a little dickish. so yes, i will not be going by bike; i'll save that for another year when I get early arrival because i know for sure that it is possible then.
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we don't need people like you there.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:44 pm

nixos wrote:oneeyeddick...you are the only asshole on this page providing hateful words to a pure inquiry as to whether it would be okay for me to ride my bike on the 447 in order to get to burning man. I am so sorry your feelings were hurt, now, how about showing me those "hateful" words that you are referring to(other than the joke about tossing rocks)
thank you to the rest for providing decent advice, although the tone you convey through text is still a little dickish.If you check that the vast majority of those people were backing me up
so yes, i will not be going by bike;Yay !! i'll save that for another year when I get early arrival because i know for sure that it is possible then.
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fuck you.same to you buddy
please don't go to burning man.Not likeley to happen, a court order wouldn't keep me away
we don't need people like you there. if it wasn't for people like me there, Burning Man would be nothing but unicorns, disco balls, rainbows and bouncehouses.


And there it is, you're not going...Good.
It didn't really matter to me as I will have already been there a week by the time your little bike tour finally shows up.
All of the advice I gave is exactly how I feel about it, and I never called you names while giving you my advice, even if you choose to not take it.
The majority of the people responding were saying the exact thing thing I was saying , why do you find my opinion so much more dickish than thiers ?
Do you not like my little dancing dude in my sig ?
Oh well, not that it matters, since you aren't going anyhow.

BTW, I drive with a clean CDL in my backpocket (17 years, no ticket)and I have a LOT more experience handling a large overweight vehicle than most here and the situation that I described would not get me charges higher than a "driving too fast" ticket if I even were to get that, and prolly no manslaughter charge would even happen even if you were to die, since your death would have just been a matter of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And once again , I would have to choose hitting you over having a head on with someone else, and possibly killing myself, my girlfriend, and everyone else in the other vehicle heading my way.
You are really dumb if you can't see the logic in that statement, sure I might feel bad for a while if I killed you, but I would never forgive myself for making the decision to not hit some stupid biker was why I no longer have my loved one at my side.
Not to mention the people in the other car.
I drive 50-55 miles and hour tops on that road and all those other dumbasses that I was warning you about(your real risk) don't, in fact they are the ones passing me so they can arrive 20 minutes earlier than me at the gate. And also they are the one's that would more than likely hit you because of thier poor driving habits.
And once again, none of this matters, since you aren't going anyhow, right ?

Next time you want your questions answered by people with experience in the matter, why don't you post it up on facebook ?

well, I better get out of the way now, there is a car coming down the road and I don't wanna get hit...
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Postby oneeyeddick » Tue Jul 13, 2010 11:41 pm

Token wrote:I just love the fact that folks who operate home built fire cannons, toss propane canisters into bonfires, burn and blow up anything and everything they can possibly imagine get their panties all up in a wad just because someone wants to ride a bike.

Fucking hilarious!

Can I bring a bunch of corks and stick them on your forks so you don't poke your own eyes out?



are you referring to me ?
I never toss propane cans into bonfires(unless I wanna shoot them) and the only reson my panties get bunched up is because I haven't washed them in a week or so, so I guess you can't be talking about me.
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Postby gyre » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:36 am

And yet, the laws of physics continue to apply to bikes too.


I recently saved the life of a biker.
On a rural unlit divided four lane, he pulled up and hovered about four feet from my rear bumper, completely blinding me.
Since I couldn't see a fucking thing, I had to wait for a good gap from the car beside me and he wouldn't back off an inch.
As I pulled to the right, he cut over and passed me illegally on the right.
If I had snapped over, as I normally would, he would have highsided off a steep dropoff into trees.
With a passenger.
The only reason I didn't, was the suspicion he was an even bigger moron than he seemed already.
I hope his passenger beat the crap out of him/her.

Cars are often over prosecuted in bike accidents.
I wonder if he would have even been charged for murdering his passenger, should he have survived?
He probably had two feet of pavement as he cleared my front end.
Yes, he was so stupid, he continued trying to pass on the right.

But he won't be around long, and I just hope he doesn't take anyone else along with him.


But guess what?
If I had been in error and hit him, it wouldn't have changed the results one bit.

We all get inured to risk.
I'm very conscious of what even black powder can do with a projectile.

I've seen the photos of bombing aftermaths, and the only thing that is worse are bike crashes.
In high speed photography, a body actually dissolves in a strong enough shock wave, like a sand painting in the wind.
With the mass involved in crashes, you can get the same effect, only mass instead of speed.

You should take the risks you want.
But you should remember what you're risking.
Maybe take a look at some videos and photos of the helmets embedded in truck grills, or the three mile long crash sites the canyon carvers leave sometimes, in spite of kevlar/titanium body armor.

And if you feel just as confident, go for it.

Actually I think anyone behind the wheel should face the same reality.
But cagers have at least some chance in an accident.
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Postby gyre » Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:47 am

And in reference to dissimilar vehicle sizes, there are plans to separate heavy truck and passenger interstate traffic.

I have proposed a further step, separating light vehicles and heavier, larger passenger and light commercial traffic,
This is actually cost effective and I have the support of highway engineers.
I'm having trouble getting the government's attention though.

I call it the light highway system.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Wed Jul 14, 2010 5:08 am

Epic... 34 posts in over 6 years?

And you're calling ME a troll ?



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Postby epic » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:48 am

Anyone who spends their entire life online by posting 1000's of hateful antagonistic messages on this board (99% of which are not helpful, are insulting and serve only to bait and incite others) is a troll. By advocating and promising hitting and murdering bicyclists you not only violate terms of service and are committing a personal attack, you're advocating a felony, which is a crime and unethical and immoral.
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Postby epic » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:55 am

I've done the drive on the 447 4 times and not once did it look like a very dangerous ride for a cyclist during the day in clear conditions. Way less dangerous then a windy mountain road. Or riding in heavy fog or at night. The lesson here is that the other posters on this thread have never driven at night, or in fog or on narrow windy mountain roads. They think that anything narrower then 6 lanes is dangerous. Its the inattentive, arrogant drivers that are dangerous.
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Postby AntiM » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:42 am

One must wonder if you actually read the post ... make a choice, head on collision or sideswipe the bike. That is not advocating running over bicyclists on purpose with murderous intent.

At no time did I see a post saying, "I'm going to run you over because I think bikes are stupid." But that seems to be what you read?

Let me define personal attacks: calling a specific poster nasty names with no other content. You know the difference. Have fun with the TOS.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:39 am

Boy, he(if he is a he) would really go off if I told him that my MV is covered with hippy armor, used for getting pedestrians out of the way when driving around on playa.

bikes bounce right off of it quite nicely also...
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Postby ygmir » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:45 am

oneeyeddick wrote:Boy, he(if he is a he) would really go off if I told him that my MV is covered with hippy armor, used for getting pedestrians out of the way when driving around on playa.

bikes bounce right off of it quite nicely also...


do you still want the "concrete rapalas", for trolling?
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Postby oneeyeddick » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:50 am

it appears I might need a few of them.

(in case I miss the first time)
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Postby Lassen Forge » Fri Jul 16, 2010 9:56 am

gyre wrote:And in reference to dissimilar vehicle sizes, there are plans to separate heavy truck and passenger interstate traffic.

I have proposed a further step, separating light vehicles and heavier, larger passenger and light commercial traffic,
This is actually cost effective and I have the support of highway engineers.
I'm having trouble getting the government's attention though.

I call it the light highway system.


They do that in LA, and in some metro areas in Europe - works well. Usually it seperates vehicles w/ trailers and motorhomes, etc, into the truck lanes (via the use of "Autos Only" lanes)...

Too bad there's not enough in the Nevada Highway Budget to upgrade/widen/etc. the 447 corridor, since most of the year it is a lightly travelled route, the only really heavy traffic revolves the weeks around the BRC event. (Maybe we can get Bruno to expand Bruno's, make it THE hotspot destination of NW Nevada...)

Still, incidents happen - either someone going onto the soft shoulder, losing control, and going into a roll... or incidents involving the huge trucks that fly the route from Empire south... and the infrequent head-ons.

At least it's better than it was before - I remember when 447 was pretty atrocious. But putting wider shoulders, both on 447 and 34, would be great... if and when the funding comes thru. Sadly, until Bruno expands the Casino, it's not likely to happen.

There was also talk a long time ago about a spur across the mountain from Susanville... of course, the same probblem happened - not enough traffic volume to make it worthwile. Plus that's a huge hill - would be really 'spensive to punch it thru.

Funny, the OP has since posted he was not doing BRC this year, which makes this all moot. ;)
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Postby gyre » Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:22 am

Some of the people on eplaya have a fair amount of driving experience.

I have driven on mountain roads so narrow and twisted that any articulated vehicle would be forced to use both lanes.
These are the areas in the east that the interstate carefully avoids.
You can drive for an impressive distance on the same ridge.
I drove all night on a road like this in fog so heavy I was driving by the center stripe visible out the open door.
I never found a place to stop.
Fortunately I never saw another car, but every curve I expected a truck.

And that was a state road.
There are worse roads, including one lanes that at times are unpaved.
I sank directly into a road once to the bumpers and had to be removed by tractor.
The ruts were so deep that when the road deteriorated, I couldn't turn around.

I always try to travel with fog lamps now, and I think they saved my life a couple of times.
And of course I refer to real fog lamps, not the useless extra lamps on many cars now.
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Postby goathead » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:14 am

maybe the year off will give him time to scout out a safe route.
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Postby AntiM » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:27 am

Yeah, but then you get cars using the truck lanes to pass on the right. Damn dangerous and foolish.

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Postby pinemom » Fri Jul 16, 2010 11:59 am

Wowser!
What a thread!


All because one burner wanted to make an educated question to which burners gave him/her an honest answer!?!?

Its VERY dangerous to Bike on 447.

There is NO bike lane.

Not quite sure if this is still a law, but I believe that if a STATE HIGHWAY has no designated Bike lane then it is ILLEGAL!
(guess I gonna have to re-read a drivers ed handbook)

What they are trying to say is, HEY we wanna meet you out there, not discuss a tragedy that happened to you or worse, announce the first dead burner of the 2010 year!

Im sure people have done it!
Hell Im sure lots of people have done it!
Why? I guess is what I want to know.To prove something????

I dont care how avid a bicyclist you are...the KNOWN dangers on 447 for that first 5-6 days(even prior to opening day) ARE huge.
Hell RV's and trucks/trailer/etc...etc... go off the side of the road, for numerous reasons.

Seems just plain egotistically challenging to me!

Here...lemme put that in laymens terms...

EGO CHALLENGE!

Who the hell wants to play Russian roulette with 5 tons of metal to 200 lbs of man and aluminum frame combined.

Stupid.

The idea.


But to bust someones balls over telling you it would be dangerous and harmful to your wellbeing.

then turning around and telling these caring people off, and calling them names and saying their not fit for Burningman....???


WOAH....who's really the idiot here?

I will attest that ONE EYED DICK under all that rough crazy mad man exterior, is the MOST giving, caring and concerned for another mans welfare as I have ever met!

I consider my friendship with him the one of the greatest gifts Ive ever to receive.

Funny the last person you pick for your team turns out to be the Best player on the team.

So grow up, person that likes to come in here and attack.

A burner wants to protect another burners life, and he doesnt even know him...ya, OEDick is a bad bad man....sheesh!
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Postby AntiM » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:03 pm

The one doing the most telling off was not even the OP. The OP was reasonable and seeking information/trying to set up early entry.
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Postby pinemom » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:05 pm

Kinda why I wasnt naming names....

Figured "he probably thinks this song is about him~" will figure it out!

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Postby AntiM » Fri Jul 16, 2010 12:17 pm

Sure, if you can catch him on the way through.... Mammoth Lakes next run? Maybe?

Hey, sometimes it isn't obvious. I feel the need to explain and explain.
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Re: anyone with over a few hundred posts is a troll

Postby alt12 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:27 pm

epic wrote:Anyone who spends their entire life online by posting 1000's of hateful antagonistic messages on this board (99% of which are not helpful, are insulting and serve only to bait and incite others) is a troll. By advocating and promising hitting and murdering bicyclists you not only violate terms of service and are committing a personal attack, you're advocating a felony, which is a crime and unethical and immoral.


ah men brother.... dickie's response to a simple question was a veiled threat to run the guy over in a "hypothetical" situation..... all his posts do is reflect his core hostility and general quasi-sociopathic orientation to other people.... he sure must be fun at a party!

and for those thinking of biking to burning man or pretty much doing anything on this planet, its just a reminder that there will always be that 1% of angry, spiteful hate-filled dicks that like to shit on the other 99% whenever they get a chance.... just a part of life, personally I don't let that ever stop me... there are so few of them they're kind of irrelevant (yet love to take up as much attention as possible!)
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Postby Fire_Moose » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:34 pm

I'd rather hang out with the dick then you, hippy.
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Postby oneeyeddick » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:36 pm

What is "core hostility"?

I'd hate to think there is a better way to be hostile than my usual up front and in your face way.

Geesh, give me a break, and get a sense of humor, all of you that are now attacking me because of your own self entitlement issues.

it always seems to be the ones from California......hmmmm...?
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Postby alt12 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:37 pm

pinemom wrote:Wowser!
What a thread!


All because one burner wanted to make an educated question to which burners gave him/her an honest answer!?!?

Its VERY dangerous to Bike on 447.

There is NO bike lane.

Not quite sure if this is still a law, but I believe that if a STATE HIGHWAY has no designated Bike lane then it is ILLEGAL!
(guess I gonna have to re-read a drivers ed handbook)

What they are trying to say is, HEY we wanna meet you out there, not discuss a tragedy that happened to you or worse, announce the first dead burner of the 2010 year!

Im sure people have done it!
Hell Im sure lots of people have done it!
Why? I guess is what I want to know.To prove something????

I dont care how avid a bicyclist you are...the KNOWN dangers on 447 for that first 5-6 days(even prior to opening day) ARE huge.
Hell RV's and trucks/trailer/etc...etc... go off the side of the road, for numerous reasons.

Seems just plain egotistically challenging to me!

Here...lemme put that in laymens terms...

EGO CHALLENGE!

Who the hell wants to play Russian roulette with 5 tons of metal to 200 lbs of man and aluminum frame combined.

Stupid.

The idea.


But to bust someones balls over telling you it would be dangerous and harmful to your wellbeing.

then turning around and telling these caring people off, and calling them names and saying their not fit for Burningman....???


WOAH....who's really the idiot here?

I will attest that ONE EYED DICK under all that rough crazy mad man exterior, is the MOST giving, caring and concerned for another mans welfare as I have ever met!

I consider my friendship with him the one of the greatest gifts Ive ever to receive.

Funny the last person you pick for your team turns out to be the Best player on the team.

So grow up, person that likes to come in here and attack.

A burner wants to protect another burners life, and he doesnt even know him...ya, OEDick is a bad bad man....sheesh!



yeah, fun thread.

2 points

1) it is not illegal to ride on a state route in Nevada. See
NRS 484.503 Traffic laws apply to person riding bicycle.
Every person riding a bicycle upon a roadway has all of the rights and is subject to all of the duties applicable to the driver of a vehicle except as otherwise provided in NRS 484.504 to 484.513, inclusive, and except as to those provisions of this chapter which by their nature can have no application. (FYI, exceptions .504 refer to peace officers and .513 relates to proper reflectors and lamps)

2) dickie's comment essentially was that he would run the guy over, so as caring and warm as perhaps he is in person, he sure sounds like...well a dick in his online persona....

So easy to just say, "Hey, its dangerous on 447, there's no border, lot of heavy loads, etc.)" That would be helpful. Saying "If there is a bicycle person blocking the lane and I have to make a choice between having a head-on collision with a vehicle or hitting said bicycle, well... the choice is easy" is not so helpful.... Also, quite illegal according to Nevada Law. If its not safe to overpass a bike, you have to just wait til it is..... That is the law... So aside from being a dick what he's saying is a violation of the law.... See: http://www.bicyclenevada.com/law.html

Personally, I am so used to the hostile attitude from car drivers when confronted with being inconvenienced by a bicycle on the road....its just your average American entitlement mentality.... no bigee... course I rarely have someone tell me the choice is easy to run me over rather than slowdown, I guess that's just the caring kinda that one-eyed-dick is!

alright enough for now...
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Postby pinemom » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:44 pm

Me too.



I tell ya, you know why sometimes burners come off rude...ie...snarky...how bout this" nixon bless its heart", came in here asking a question about biking on 447 moreas all the way in....



Here's what I pictured....

Even a cop in LemmonValley Nv with two north bound lanes open, traveling at a high rate of speed with no lights or sirens in the right hand lane, accidentally hits the back tire of a bicyclist and guess what...KILLS HIM!!!!! Monday July 5th 2010. RIP Kevin Albertson age barely 21 on his way home from work.He was helping his mom keep the foreclosure away.

So Im sure alot of what most of us burners are trying to do is save this kids life.

But when you get emotionally charged.....
Like when your toddler sticks that damn fork in the live socket, you kinda go over board on scare tactic to keep him from ever thinking about doing it again...also you see in a flash of your eye your child perishing from said incident.
So When a burner goes snarky to try to persuade someone to not do something stupid.....


...they have my blessings!


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Postby Jackass » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:49 pm

Alt, I've been following this thread.
These people are trying to be nice and help you but you obviously know everything and believe the road is yours for the taking, wanna challenge overloaded vehicles with tired drivers? Go ahead
Just get the fuck on, you and your extreme (we always have the right of way) cyclists club!!! Go on....shewww
Sooner or later, it will get real strange...

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