Busted by the police at Opulent Temple.

Postby gyre » Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:02 pm

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on a mildly related note...

Postby dusty_nipples » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:20 am

Walking with my friends from the temple towards the esplanade on friday, I picked up a big piece of moop... It may have been an ashtray that fell off an art car... but hard to tell. A big black plastic cylinder thing that once was mounted to something. Anyway, it was big enough to flatten a bike tire, and too big to stick in my backpack. On our trek I saw 2 official looking peeps in a golf cart and walked up to them, thinking they might be kind enough to take it for me. I said 'I found this on the playa and it won't fit in my backpack... would you mind taking it and disposing of it for me?'. I giggled when he snatched it from my hand and immediately sniffed it. He said 'it looks like an ashtray' and sniffed it again. Like what... he's gonna smell dope on it and... then what? I said 'well, it could be a hubcap from an art car, but either way, it's moop and would you be able to discard of it properly for me?'. He said sure, and stashed it away. As I left I felt bad... like maybe I just handed over a piece of evidence when, silly me, I thought I was doing a good thing.

Whatever. I still thing the guy looked like an idiot... his first instinct was to sniff it. Weird.
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Postby gyre » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:40 am

Some things are dangerous to sniff.
Wait till you see geologists licking things they pick up!
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Postby curiousgnate » Sun Sep 07, 2008 12:42 am

you got that right zune. this year one helped my friend get his keys out of his car, and said they never do that and he had to give them some booze. my friend was obviously a newbie and gave up a handle of vodka. hehehe. i thought it was pretty fucking funny
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Postby somekind » Sun Sep 07, 2008 2:12 am

Did he sniff his fingers next?
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Trolling

Postby mk-ultra » Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:09 pm

I'm pretty sure we had a LEO "trolling" for a bust at our camp this year.

We were relaxing in lawn chairs in our camp in the afternoon... sipping beer and listening to music... and a guy nobody knows rolls up on his bike and says out-of-the-blue, "Hey... I heard I could buy some E from you guys?"

WTF? Of course we weren't selling E. I've never had *anyone* at BM ever come up to me and ask to *buy* drugs.

Perhaps it was some random retard with his camps mixed up... but, honestly, it felt like a set-up. In retrospect, after giving the dude the wave-off I should have watched to see if he moved on to pull the same thing with the neighbors.
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Postby pln2bz » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:12 pm

The really sorry thing about the drug war and burning man is that the quickie approach-buy tactic only nabs the least educated and least experienced of the bunch. Those burners who actually do drugs on the playa tend to generally be some of the most intelligent drug users in the world. For God's sake, Alexander Shulgin speaks at the event every year now. Take your average drug user at burning man, and he could completely school the narc's on the laws, culture and effects of drugs.

The intention with the drug war is to stop or lessen the transport and use of drugs. In order to actually accomplish something like that, however, they would have to have some plan for catching the big ballers. When narc's at burning man approach people and ask for drugs, there are only a select handful of people who will actually oblige them -- and none of those people are ballers. Many of them, in fact, only peripherally know people who use drugs, and are in fact very low-level users who toke up on rare occasions.

But the narc's surely have quotas necessary to establish that they are "doing their job". Taken as a whole, the entire system is broken and needs to be scrapped and replaced with a true harm reduction policy. As many people here have pointed out, the purpose of law enforcement should be to help people. When that trust is broken, then this can affect the public's willingness to cooperate with law enforcement. With such a broken system in place, nobody is actually being helped. They're not even catching the people they want to be catching. And their activities certainly in no way diminishes the number of overdoses happening at the burn. Only real, substantive drug education could accomplish something like that.

I had my first direct encounter with an undercover this year. Some poor young-looking kid approached me at the burn (a definite danger zone as far as users are concerned) and asked me for "psychedelics". There were three gorrilla-looking LEO's within ten feet, ready to pounce. I laughed in his face, and took the opportunity to ridicule him as much as possible. What you have to understand is that, in the same way that drug users enjoy and can become addicted to drugs, the LEO's enjoy and can become addicted to catching drug users. The difference is that the effects of their enforcement tend to be far more damaging to users than the effects of the drugs themselves.

It is not hard to force them to blow their own cover when these guys do this garbage. Ask them if you can take your picture with him or her, and rather than "cheese", tell them that you're doing an expose on undercover narc's just before the flash goes off. He'll surely confiscate your camera, but at least the mystery will be solved.

I had a friend a few years back get arrested for destruction of property (it was a legitimate arrest). He was inebriated in some way, and happened to be naked. This happened early in the week. On the drive out to Reno, they stopped the car and had him get out while naked and hand-cuffed so that incoming burners could observe him and be scared. In a technical sense, this is called a "perp walk", and it is a violation of a person's civil rights. They're very lucky that there weren't any lawyers driving by at the moment, or my friend could have made a lot of money in a lawsuit. These guys really do oftentimes play fast-and-loose with the rules. And why wouldn't they? They surely realize that their efforts are having little-to-no effect. It's the same exact reason why we see so much corruption amongst drug law enforcers.

People who ramble on on these boards about how horrible it is to taunt the drug enforcers probably don't know any responsible drug users whose lives have been ruined by a police encounter. The drug war is based almost entirely upon lies and propaganda. If we were to arrest every person who had ever used illegal drugs in this country, that would technically be every other person. Any law that so severely criminalizes half of the population needs to be reconsidered. At that point, it *ONLY* makes sense to reduce the harm through education and treatment. Prison is where otherwise-casual drug users get their first opportunity to become professional criminals.

I'm personally glad to know that many people manage to get their drugs to burning man and do them without interference. It is a very personal decision after all. It's none of my business or anybody else's, and it's testament to the personal liberties that this country is founded upon. Like it or not, for many people, drugs are as much a part of the American Dream as money, sex, skyscrapers and a picket fence. The American government appears to fully realize this actually ...

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Re: Trolling

Postby alt12 » Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:10 pm

mk-ultra wrote:I'm pretty sure we had a LEO "trolling" for a bust at our camp this year.

We were relaxing in lawn chairs in our camp in the afternoon... sipping beer and listening to music... and a guy nobody knows rolls up on his bike and says out-of-the-blue, "Hey... I heard I could buy some E from you guys?"

WTF? Of course we weren't selling E. I've never had *anyone* at BM ever come up to me and ask to *buy* drugs.

Perhaps it was some random retard with his camps mixed up... but, honestly, it felt like a set-up. In retrospect, after giving the dude the wave-off I should have watched to see if he moved on to pull the same thing with the neighbors.


that would be a good time to say "oh no, you'r thinking of Deathguild on 4:30 and esplanade....Look for the black art-car with the 50 caliber gatling gun on the front of it....there's a big guy with black shoulder pads and tatoos....he's the one with the E....tell em MK ultra sent you and you should be good to go..."
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:08 am

again, i re-iterate, not all LEO's are straight, and i mean that in a chemical sense.

there are many "off-duty" gov. officials out there who are just as whacked as Fat Elvis in Vegas.

The Low-Level deputies, and Hired Hands of the 3 counties that divide the playa are like lions dividing a kill, they are out for quotas, you are right.

it's money in the fucking bank are far as they are concerned.

BE SMART PEOPLE....dont do anything Illegal in plain sight....go to your tent.

is it really that difficult to be sensible about this?

no, it's not....BM is not supposed to be a drug free for all, although i myself sometimes treat it as such, i'm careful to hide my copious consumption behind a velcro'd door.
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Postby somekind » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:49 am

plan2bz, you write like an intelligent person, but narcs, short for narcotics agent, is plural, not possessive, and doesn't take an apostrophe.
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Postby ScrogFather » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:00 am

Is this English class?
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Spelling and Grammar

Postby marck » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:04 am

I've found that most people who don't have anything to add to a discussion, but still want to be heard, will nitpick on insignificant points in a vain attempt to subvert the real conversation.

But are the people(me included) who jump their cases doing the same thing?

Please leave Grammar, Spelling, and Punctuation off the target list.
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Postby Gage » Mon Sep 08, 2008 12:14 pm

pln2bz wrote:The really sorry thing about the drug war and burning man is that the quickie approach-buy tactic only nabs the least educated and least experienced of the bunch. Those burners who actually do drugs on the playa tend to generally be some of the most intelligent drug users in the world. For God's sake, Alexander Shulgin speaks at the event every year now. Take your average drug user at burning man, and he could completely school the narc's on the laws, culture and effects of drugs.

The intention with the drug war is to stop or lessen the transport and use of drugs. In order to actually accomplish something like that, however, they would have to have some plan for catching the big ballers. When narc's at burning man approach people and ask for drugs, there are only a select handful of people who will actually oblige them -- and none of those people are ballers. Many of them, in fact, only peripherally know people who use drugs, and are in fact very low-level users who toke up on rare occasions.

But the narc's surely have quotas necessary to establish that they are "doing their job". Taken as a whole, the entire system is broken and needs to be scrapped and replaced with a true harm reduction policy. As many people here have pointed out, the purpose of law enforcement should be to help people. When that trust is broken, then this can affect the public's willingness to cooperate with law enforcement. With such a broken system in place, nobody is actually being helped. They're not even catching the people they want to be catching. And their activities certainly in no way diminishes the number of overdoses happening at the burn. Only real, substantive drug education could accomplish something like that.

I had my first direct encounter with an undercover this year. Some poor young-looking kid approached me at the burn (a definite danger zone as far as users are concerned) and asked me for "psychedelics". There were three gorrilla-looking LEO's within ten feet, ready to pounce. I laughed in his face, and took the opportunity to ridicule him as much as possible. What you have to understand is that, in the same way that drug users enjoy and can become addicted to drugs, the LEO's enjoy and can become addicted to catching drug users. The difference is that the effects of their enforcement tend to be far more damaging to users than the effects of the drugs themselves.

It is not hard to force them to blow their own cover when these guys do this garbage. Ask them if you can take your picture with him or her, and rather than "cheese", tell them that you're doing an expose on undercover narc's just before the flash goes off. He'll surely confiscate your camera, but at least the mystery will be solved.

I had a friend a few years back get arrested for destruction of property (it was a legitimate arrest). He was inebriated in some way, and happened to be naked. This happened early in the week. On the drive out to Reno, they stopped the car and had him get out while naked and hand-cuffed so that incoming burners could observe him and be scared. In a technical sense, this is called a "perp walk", and it is a violation of a person's civil rights. They're very lucky that there weren't any lawyers driving by at the moment, or my friend could have made a lot of money in a lawsuit. These guys really do oftentimes play fast-and-loose with the rules. And why wouldn't they? They surely realize that their efforts are having little-to-no effect. It's the same exact reason why we see so much corruption amongst drug law enforcers.

People who ramble on on these boards about how horrible it is to taunt the drug enforcers probably don't know any responsible drug users whose lives have been ruined by a police encounter. The drug war is based almost entirely upon lies and propaganda. If we were to arrest every person who had ever used illegal drugs in this country, that would technically be every other person. Any law that so severely criminalizes half of the population needs to be reconsidered. At that point, it *ONLY* makes sense to reduce the harm through education and treatment. Prison is where otherwise-casual drug users get their first opportunity to become professional criminals.

I'm personally glad to know that many people manage to get their drugs to burning man and do them without interference. It is a very personal decision after all. It's none of my business or anybody else's, and it's testament to the personal liberties that this country is founded upon. Like it or not, for many people, drugs are as much a part of the American Dream as money, sex, skyscrapers and a picket fence. The American government appears to fully realize this actually ...

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Postby Toolmaker » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:21 pm

Heres a prank thats a lil safer to pull on the cops..

Tell the undercover that you HEARD that they can score in center camp if they buy 7 cups of coffee and pay with a benjamin telling the clerk that the remaining funds are a tip.
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Postby willyloafofphora » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:53 pm

Thanks thats a good one. I'll remember that.
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Postby somekind » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:01 pm

ScrogFather wrote:Is this English class?
You must have missed my midnight punctuation class at the teacher's desk in the middle of the playa. We covered apostrophe rules, plural and posessive, contractions, and advanced grammar. I had a solid class of students hang out for a while, one of whom even had some single malt scotch. That student was able to change the course of the lesson from basic English to philosophy. That's when the party started to get good.
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Postby EB » Mon Sep 08, 2008 6:47 pm

pln2bz wrote: I had a friend a few years back get arrested for destruction of property (it was a legitimate arrest). He was inebriated in some way, and happened to be naked.


"Happened to be naked." Okay, go on.

pln2bz wrote: This happened early in the week. On the drive out to Reno, they stopped the car and had him get out while naked and hand-cuffed so that incoming burners could observe him and be scared.


Incoming, outgoing. Either way, I'm scared already. Maybe the police removed your drunk, naked friend from the car because he was, y'know, drunk and naked.

pln2bz wrote: In a technical sense, this is called a "perp walk",


In a technical sense, no, it is not. A perp walk is when the police escort an arrested person -- a "perp"-- out into the public arena, usually from jail to court. What happened to your friend was simply an arrest where your friend happened to be naked.

And drunk.

And driving a car.

pln2bz wrote: ...and it is a violation of a person's civil rights.


Arresting a person who's naked is not a civil rights violation per se. If this were true, all criminals would immediately strip naked before arrest. And, as we all know, this only happens in women's prison movies and in my imagination.

pln2bz wrote: They're very lucky that there weren't any lawyers driving by at the moment, or my friend could have made a lot of money in a lawsuit.


Not to mention the movie rights. Now here's my point: If you're not objective and forthright with your anecdotes, how am I supposed to take the rest of your post seriously? Your buddy busts up somebody's shit, gets naked, drunk and drives around and your concern is that the "cops arrested him to scare other burners?"

Really?!

Does that not come across as completely upside-down to you?
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Postby gyre » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:15 pm

Did you miss the parading him around part?
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Postby Mosin » Mon Sep 08, 2008 10:49 pm

Toolmaker wrote:Heres a prank thats a lil safer to pull on the cops..

Tell the undercover that you HEARD that they can score in center camp if they buy 7 cups of coffee and pay with a benjamin telling the clerk that the remaining funds are a tip.


Fucking brilliant. Wish I had thought of that when all-too-clean and not-exactly Burner looking "Joanne" showed up in the door of our RV Monday morning (post-Burn) and asked for a hit of "marijuana." :idea: All I could think of was something like "'Marijuana?' Didn't you know that stuff is illegal in the state of Nevda? We drink hard alcohol and smoke cigarettes here like real Amerikans do. I think you had better go now, ah, 'Joanne.'"

She had a look on her face that was simultaneously "no fucking way!" and "what gave me away?!" Next time I'll ask her to take a group photo with us before sending her to Center Camp for her coffe and "marijuana." :D
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Postby gyre » Mon Sep 08, 2008 11:48 pm

Getting a photo is a great idea.
No drugs without photos!!!!

Get the photo first before you tell them there are drugs in reno.
(Do I have to tell anyone to move the film or card to somewhere else?)
We could have a nice collection for the interweb.

That's what I always tell them, the drugs are in reno.
I don't actually know that there are drugs in reno.
It just seems like a pretty good guess that if they are all in the desert making assholes of themselves, that the coke and heroin dealers will be going completely nuts in reno at the same time.

And if they ask you how you like the burn, you can always say,
"Not bad! What's it like to be undercover?"


If anyone wants to get better at spotting this sort of thing, there are some easy things to do like watching someone's eyes in a crowd and so on.
Some pretty basic journalistic and investigative approaches that seem easy when you know how.
And always ask questions only burners will know, like about the city and camp locations.
You can always ask to see their camp.
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:49 am

one year i walked around in a sheriff's uniform from my home town and was telling people i was from camp "bad cop" and that i had gone native years ago, and would they be needing to bribe me at all....

i collected some nice nugs, a line or two, some tabs AND a doughnut.

i promised i would'nt bust them, and in fact, offered to do and SHARE any drugs i had on me...

the look on one clueless hippy's face was PRICELESS.

i thanked them as i left, and told them that if anyone from camp "good cop" came around looking for me, i was NEVER there....

goodness me oh my, what a trip to the local uniform outfitter can do for your burn....I like my FedEx suit too, i can go anywhere in that. ANYWHERE.


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Postby Gage » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:39 pm

Simon of the Playa wrote:goodness me oh my, what a trip to the local uniform outfitter can do for your burn...


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Postby unjonharley » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:16 pm

GageNdG wrote:
Simon of the Playa wrote:goodness me oh my, what a trip to the local uniform outfitter can do for your burn...


*Added to 2009 ToDo List*

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Postby ZaphodBurner » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:30 pm

unjonharley wrote:Every year I go to a party.. This party has as many as 400 people.. They are out on the streets of Portland Or. In and out of bars. Trafic has to stop to let them pass.. And they all get pretty drunk by the wee hours..

There are two rules.. Don't mess with kids and don't fuck with the cops..



Santa gets PISSED if you mess with the kids. The police didn't like the fruitcake trebuchet in 2005 so much but didn't say much about the clowns tripping on whip-its in the grass.

More recently at the aforementioned party I picked up a piece of litter or whatever it was and turned around to see a Portland police officer staring at me from about a foot away. Dude seemed to materialize out of nowhere. He gave me a Junior Crime Fighter sticker.

I'm a Junior Crime Fighter.

A moment later, Santa gave me some jello from a plastic cup. It tasted like fire. (Baaaad Santa.)
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Postby unjonharley » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:39 pm

ZaphodBurner wrote:
unjonharley wrote:Every year I go to a party.. This party has as many as 400 people.. They are out on the streets of Portland Or. In and out of bars. Trafic has to stop to let them pass.. And they all get pretty drunk by the wee hours..

There are two rules.. Don't mess with kids and don't fuck with the cops..



Santa gets PISSED if you mess with the kids. The police didn't like the fruitcake trebuchet in 2005 so much but didn't say much about the clowns tripping on whip-its in the grass.

More recently at the aforementioned party I picked up a piece of litter or whatever it was and turned around to see a Portland police officer staring at me from about a foot away. Dude seemed to materialize out of nowhere. He gave me a Junior Crime Fighter sticker.

I'm a Junior Crime Fighter.

A moment later, Santa gave me some jello from a plastic cup. It tasted like fire. (Baaaad Santa.)


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Postby Mr.? » Tue Sep 09, 2008 11:47 pm

What about "Cop Camp"?
Everyone dressed like some branch of law enforcement, excluding military unless you were MP.
What fun could be had with that?... is that cruel?
I saw some guy dressed like S.W.A.T. or maybe riot gear this year and thought twice before I noticed his beer in hand.
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Postby somekind » Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:45 am

[quote="ZaphodBurner"][quote="unjonharley"]
A moment later, Santa gave me some jello from a plastic cup. It tasted like fire. (Baaaad Santa.)[/quote]
Was that the santa who was walking around Friday night Midnight with a scantily clad Mrs. Santa (she was a 10)?
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Postby Simon of the Playa » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:24 am

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Postby CapSmashy » Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:23 am

gyre wrote:Did you miss the parading him around part?


I did not see any specific details concerning hm being paraded around. I have no doubts he was cuffed and escorted back to the police vehicle. He even may have had to stand around for a little while before being placed into the vehicle. Often times an officer will have the person being arrested witness the inventory of their vehicle before it gets impounded.

Regardless of any of that though...

In this specific case, I could actually care less what happened to the guy.

He was driving drunk and crashed his car into something based on the charge cited. Had the cops pushed him in front of a passing bus, I would not be all that concerned.


I hate, as in deeply FUCKING HATE, drunk drivers with an absolute passion. If I were king of the world, drunk drivers would be pulled from their vehicles, beaten to death with iron pipes and hung from the nearest lamp post by their ankles with a sign around them saying "ANOTHER FUCKING DRUNK DRIVER GETS HIS JUST REWARD".

I feel almost as strongly about anyone that would defend a piece of shit waste of human life that would get behind the wheel of a vehicle while impaired.
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Postby falk » Wed Sep 10, 2008 6:03 pm

EB wrote:Arresting a person who's naked is not a civil rights violation per se. If this were true, all criminals would immediately strip naked before arrest. And, as we all know, this only happens in women's prison movies and in my imagination.

OK, that's going straight into my quotes file.
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