Martiena wrote::shock: at which point is it a good idea to take our ego's off the table?
iconoplastyfervor wrote:Sorry man, none of your arguments make ANY sense and are full of holes. I was using law enforcement as an example (and Trilo was using other companies likewise), not as an invitation to debate that topic. Bringing THAT up is a distraction and disingenuous. Lamps are not essential, and they could be supplied by camps instead of BMORG. You don't need lamps to have Burning Man or meet BLM regs for sanitation. There are many things that are not essential that monies get spent on by BMORG. Prove me wrong.
It's not a tax when it doesn't cost you anything! You are ignoring that fundamental premise and continuing on with irrelevant points. Calling it a tax is a tactic some republicans might use (while ignoring potentially much bigger issues that they don't want to deal with) to create anger in those not paying attention. Not all republicans, mind you. Just sayin' it's been done, have references.
trilobyte wrote:Bbadger, so what you're saying is you don't have a problem with there being a Low Income Ticket program or how Burning Man chooses to dole them out. Based on your statement "In years past (< 2012) the LIT didn't matter because the tickets never sold out" it sounds like you're basically in a twist because of scarcity - there aren't enough for everybody and so now you're doing that thing where you suggest excluding a group that does not include yourself.
I'm not coming down on you as having no say in the matter, I'm saying that none of us participating in this thread (myself included) have any say in the matter. Either in the quantity of tickets offered, the criteria used, the cost they're offered at, or even if there is a program. Sorry if I'm not taking an extreme enough position on the subject for you, but it just doesn't bother me. As I've said previously, while I'd probably make different choices if it were up to me, I'm completely okay with there being a program and the way they choose to run it.
trilobyte wrote:I'm curious, of the people complaining about the low income program being some sort of forced tax, do you spend as much time complaining about all the other companies you do business with? Everything from oil companies, fast food joints, grocery stores, clothing manufacturers, and everywhere else have giving programs. They contribute to and support all kinds of groups, and in your eyes they're making you pay the price. O the motherfucking humanity! It must get tiring, that's a lot of grousing.
incubus_pantomime wrote:I'm sure I'll incur some level of snark/ridicule for posting about this, but I believe it does help some people.
Now, I have the money to pay for a full price ticket, but because I can only budget a certain amount for Burning Man as a whole, my leftover budget means that I may not be able to afford certain things. If I can get a half-price ticket so that I can budget more money to ensuring that I am as radically self-reliant and prepared as I can be, then why shouldn't I be able to apply for a low income ticket?
Some of you like to say that "if $___ is the difference between you attending Burning Man or not, then you shouldn't be going." I respect that. I would counter that argument by saying that $190 is not a make-or-break dollar amount for me. I just live on a fixed income. I want to spend the amount of money that I need to prepare myself and make it through Burning Man while following the 10 principles as best I can. This program helps me allocate more money to supplies and transportation. I'm sure there are others in my situation, or have the same sentiment. I think this program helps.
incubus_pantomime wrote:You know, it's really disappointing to see such passive aggressive talk on this forum, and such pessimism. Not once on the playa did I experience the attitude I get here --<snip>
Savannah wrote:It sounds freaky & wrong, so you need to do it.
junglesmacks wrote:..and that's a wrap!
Savannah wrote:junglesmacks wrote:..and that's a wrap!
I would love to know what brand that top is.
Savannah wrote:It's holding up pretty well, considering all the stress it's under.
ygmir wrote:Savannah wrote:junglesmacks wrote:..and that's a wrap!
I would love to know what brand that top is.
Eric wrote:incubus_pantomime wrote:You know, it's really disappointing to see such passive aggressive talk on this forum, and such pessimism. Not once on the playa did I experience the attitude I get here --<snip>
As you've discovered, the ePlaya isn't the playa. On the playa people are on vacation, and I think most tend to be in a version of a happy-bubble (even when being snarky), on here people rant & philosophize and politicize to their hearts content - and more than half the time I think the arguments are just to argue.
One thing to keep in mind - while people from the Org do indeed read these forums, and last year even took the outrage about the lottery into consideration in trying to formulate a way forward, it's highly unlikely they're going to listen to a small minority who want to remove a program that the Org itself has found worth keeping, regardless of the "anti" people's reasoning.
From my years on the board before becoming a Mod, I highly recommend avoiding threads that you know are going to piss you off. There will always be people you disagree with, but you might - shockingly - discover that when you meet them on-playa they're actually a nice person. Or you may loath them with a passion, just like any other person you randomly meet in real life...
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