And you thought Krug was bad....

[fresh]

They are bragging about this on their home page. Disgusting....

http://www.monocleorder.com/blogs/past- ... hoot-for-0
Not sure if this is the right forum for this post...

[theCryptofishist]

It's was somewhere between wry and vapid.
Did you see the two paragraphs at the end? It might or might no recontextualize it for you.

[shykat]

a add is add, even if you if tell people it isn't... This add was paid for by ????????

[skyhawkecks]

a add is add, even if you if tell people it isn't... This add was paid for by ????????

STOP ADDING

[Elsewise]

feathers. . . sequins. . . clean hair. . . conspicuously clean watch face. . . 10000 dead synthetic neon animals. ugh.

[trilobyte]

It's disgusting, but in fairness I think Krug/Zoo Camp's fiasco was a greater transgression. Much bigger mess, and much bigger PR campaign. Regardless, shame on them.

[knowmad]

Photograper is named, His media badge is in full view of on shot his signature is on the Media disclosure form. either it is a clear case of breach of contract, or it was sanctioned by the Media team. either way it isn't just a shitty thing to do from the Artist perspective. By not Taking Measures to Protect Our community by BMORG It is then a Breach of trust.
I for one as a proactive member plan to hear a definitive answer and this forum is not the place to voice concerns. I encourage others to continue to press Members who are Responsible to take action to protect us from exploration.

[mgb327]

I left a comment, but I am sure it wil not be "approved". I never saw people that clean. Plastic.

[TheJudge]

One more corporation using Burning Man as a shill to sell their overpriced shitty sunglasses. I hope the Borg pursues these guys and owns them.

[VultureChow]

It's disgusting, but in fairness I think Krug/Zoo Camp's fiasco was a greater transgression. Much bigger mess, and much bigger PR campaign. Regardless, shame on them.

Ehhh... At least Krug put together some sort of activity. This is literally just a photo shoot. What really gets me is the tone of the slide show. Here's how to get hot models for free! See how smart we are. Also don't be mad, we totally understand Burning Man.

They didn't do this out of ignorance, it's the same mentality of feather girl. "We know this might be against the rules, but here's what we're doing different that makes it okay"

[gaminwench]

I have to say, they must not have looked very far to find 'hot' models... those folks were wearing badidea burnerwear - 80's throwbacks and cheap feathers...

[JStep]

They aren't models, they're camp members. According to the website owner, as told by a reddit poster.

He email her this:
Hi Zoe,

There is likely going to be a significant backlash to your company from the Burning Man community as you are using elements of the event for commercial purposes. This can't be unexpected for you as the same thing happened when Krug Champagne attempted to commoditize the event. The "Legal Stuff" disclaimer at the end says that the photos will not be sold for commercial purposes. Like you, Krug was not attempting to sell pictures of the event, but rather to build brand recognition by associating with the event. There is no difference.

My purpose in writing you is to ask you to go on the record with a few answers to questions that many in the Burning Man community will have.

1) The obvious first question is were the "models" in the $0 photo shoot actual burners that your photographer spontaneously encountered at the event or were they in any way compensated by your company in their attending Burning Man with the understanding that this shoot would take place? In essence, did you or an intermediary have any contact with any of these "models" before the event began?

2) You stated that no money was exchanged with the models. Is it safe to assume that they were, at the very least, compensated with sunglasses for participating in your ad campaign?

3) Were the heads of the "Disco Knights" theme camp aware that you were using photographs taken at the event for advertising purposes on your website? If so, whom specifically did you talk to at the camp to authorize their event for this purpose?

I'm not saying that I speak for every burner and I'm guessing that the vast majority of burners are pro-commerce off the playa. The fact is that the majority of the occupied space of the world is designed to facilitate the monetization of almost anything and everything. All we ask is that you don't bring that to our very special place... because it is the exact OPPOSITE of what we are doing at that exact place. And because we are so clear about this purpose to anyone and everyone who attends this event, I'm sure it's easy for you to see why many of us view your attempt to exploit this very special place for commercial gain as a belligerent act.

I'm sure this email will not change your mind about choosing to do what you did any more than your reply will change my mind to make me feel better about what you did. I would appreciate the respect of a reply to the above questions so that at least the facts are out there for people to make up their own minds about it.

Thank you,

Sig

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And then she replied this:

Hey, Of course i'll answer your questions. Thanks for taking the time to write us such an eloquent email. We are not virgin burners, it is a second home to us. The comments have been incredibly painful for me, as we are not a corporate entity, we are two people who built a company from the ground up trying to support independent artists in the eyewear community. This year we created our first line of glasses, and half of them we gave away to our best friends. My business partner alex, has a brother in law who was at burning man with a full media pass to take pictures for the actual organizers of burning man. He came to our camp, disco knights, with Alex's sister and we thought it would be really fun after three days of partying to take pictures of all of us. These are not models, there was no wardrobe, every single person in that photo is if not my best friend a great one. After we were back I wanted to do something cool with the pics, and I created that little slideshow. I had wanted it to be a funny, quirky testament to that moment in time, and to make my friends laugh now that we are so far apart. NEVER ever did I imagine the backlash I would get from the community that I love so much. Being compared to Krueg is like a shot in the heart and I am working very hard to correct this assotiation. I haven't taken it down, because I didn't want there to be this blog forum about it, without people being able to see what it was that we had created. We will take it down, and I am apologizing individually to everyone who writes us. Your points were well thought out and valid, I never wanted to dillute the message of burning man or use it's positive influence for our companies monetary gain.

I really, truly, just wanted to showcase these amazing pictures and make something my friends would all love. Either way, I really heard you and thanks for your email.

Zoe

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My take, Krug was worse, they mooped badly and were complete outsiders. This looks like somethig more along the lines of a bad decision when deciding to add these pictures to their commercial website. In another comment on reddit about the policy I stated "The photographer didn't screw up. The website owner did in associating the photos with the commercial website. The only point that I see as being unclear is the difference between hosting the images on a site that sells stuff vs what most do (myself included); hosting the images on their own blog where advertising may be present. Some could argue that that constitues commercial use, however I don't think that's the intent of the LLC otherwise there would be no pics of the event online that are within policy except what's on the BM LLC website."

[Savannah]

Thanks for posting that, JStep!

[jkisha]

Link isn't working.

[junglesmacks]

Link isn't working.

Yup! Looks like it's down afterall..

[Bounce530]

I believe they've pulled the ad offline.

[jkisha]

Google might have it cached. I just don't know what to search for.

[5280MeV]

I saw the thing and it looked like some form of a joke. Yea, yea, they should take it down. They designed some eyeglasses, they played with them and took pictures, and put it on the blog in a somewhat joking manner. Big deal. On the level of coconut ice cream if you ask me, just take down the stupid blog post and lets move on. (I still want some ice cream)

I still want to know if I would be allowed to blog about how I explained Faraday's law at Burning Man.

...before you get up in arms - I didn't actually explain Faraday's law at Burning Man - I know better than that, it is just a hypothetical.

[JStep]

http://www.monocleorder.com/blogs/past- ... hoot-for-0

Was the URL but it wasn't up long enough for Google to have a cached copy so it's gone forever!

[trilobyte]

Thanks for reaching out and sharing the results, JStep, and Kudos to Zoe and her partner for doing the right thing once they realized what it was.

[Nipple]

I still want to know if I would be allowed to blog about how I explained Faraday's law at Burning Man.

...before you get up in arms - I didn't actually explain Faraday's law at Burning Man - I know better than that, it is just a hypothetical.

It's people like you that are RUINING the enjoyment of Insane Clown Posse for other people.

Sincerely... Thank you.

[curt shocker]

I still want to know if I would be allowed to blog about how I explained Faraday's law at Burning Man.

...before you get up in arms - I didn't actually explain Faraday's law at Burning Man - I know better than that, it is just a hypothetical.

It's people like you that are RUINING the enjoyment of Insane Clown Posse for other people.

Sincerely... Thank you.

I love you people.

[fresh]

I agree that Krug was worse, much worse. Wish i could change the thread title....

[theCryptofishist]

Proper buttering of the mods might help make that happen...


(And it's nothing like a greased pig contest, nope, not in the least.)

[fresh]

If I had the choice, I'd would highly prefer to butter Savannah than Trilobyte or Eric. Hope she's not vegan, I can't stand margerine....

[Eric]

If I had the choice, I'd would highly prefer to butter Savannah than Trilobyte or Eric. Hope she's not vegan, I can't stand margerine....

S'okay by me. The idea of being buttered by The Hoff is enough to turn me straight*. *shudder*


Being buttered In the Hof is a completely different thing, especially if I get to choose the butter-er.



*not that there's anything wrong with straight-people. Without them, there wouldn't be any of us.

[ygmir]

If I had the choice, I'd would highly prefer to butter Savannah than Trilobyte or Eric. Hope she's not vegan, I can't stand margerine....

S'okay by me. The idea of being buttered by The Hoff is enough to turn me straight*. *shudder*


Being buttered In the Hof is a completely different thing, especially if I get to choose the butter-er.



*not that there's anything wrong with straight-people. Without them, there wouldn't be any of us.

*runs to find Marlon Brando*

[gyre]

I saw the thing and it looked like some form of a joke. Yea, yea, they should take it down. They designed some eyeglasses, they played with them and took pictures, and put it on the blog in a somewhat joking manner. Big deal. On the level of coconut ice cream if you ask me, just take down the stupid blog post and lets move on. (I still want some ice cream)

I still want to know if I would be allowed to blog about how I explained Faraday's law at Burning Man.

...before you get up in arms - I didn't actually explain Faraday's law at Burning Man - I know better than that, it is just a hypothetical.

I think everybody already knows that one.

For burning man, just fully translate dharma to english, in 25 words if possible.

[TheJudge]

Faraday's law of induction is a basic law of electromagnetism that predicts how a magnetic field will interact with an electric circuit to produce an electromotive force (EMF). It is the fundamental operating principle of transformers, inductors, and many types of electrical motors and generators.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday's_law_of_induction

[tamarakay]

For the first time ever I want a like button on Eplaya.